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		<title>By: denisedh</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171615</link>
		<dc:creator>denisedh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate our elected officials can&#039;t put aside their posturing and foolishness to address our economic problems, to the degree that can be accomplished.  I live in Wyoming and we have had a booming energy sector in the past few years and now, oil companies are laying off workers, the price of oil is down, and when that happens, production decreases.  Houses and apartments have been built that won&#039;t get sold. people have less to spend in small businesses, you know where it all leads.  It seems that a major portion of our economy has been built on a house of cards--consumer spending, i.e., people borrowing money to buy foreign made products, it will obviously take time to move away from that model to something more sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s unfortunate our elected officials can&#39;t put aside their posturing and foolishness to address our economic problems, to the degree that can be accomplished.  I live in Wyoming and we have had a booming energy sector in the past few years and now, oil companies are laying off workers, the price of oil is down, and when that happens, production decreases.  Houses and apartments have been built that won&#39;t get sold. people have less to spend in small businesses, you know where it all leads.  It seems that a major portion of our economy has been built on a house of cards&#8211;consumer spending, i.e., people borrowing money to buy foreign made products, it will obviously take time to move away from that model to something more sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171608</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it does because the entire basis of libertarianism is an utterly blind faith in the infallibility of the free market for everything under the sun. There is no proof whatsoever that this is true. Yet they have the gall to tell other people to prove things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it does because the entire basis of libertarianism is an utterly blind faith in the infallibility of the free market for everything under the sun. There is no proof whatsoever that this is true. Yet they have the gall to tell other people to prove things.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171601</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That concept is actually completely internally consistent with the logic that guides libertarianism, Jim. The default position is that money spent by government has to be justified. You obviously disagree with that principle, but it doesn&#039;t make her a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That concept is actually completely internally consistent with the logic that guides libertarianism, Jim. The default position is that money spent by government has to be justified. You obviously disagree with that principle, but it doesn&#39;t make her a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171597</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly- and if it were done as a percentage of the overall bill (to cap the overall amount), then it wouldn&#039;t really be harmful and could have some positive real effect and even more so, some positive psychological effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly- and if it were done as a percentage of the overall bill (to cap the overall amount), then it wouldn&#39;t really be harmful and could have some positive real effect and even more so, some positive psychological effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171592</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCardle is a libertarian. For any libertarian to claim that someone else needs to prove something about highly theoretical models before they can do anything is the height of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCardle is a libertarian. For any libertarian to claim that someone else needs to prove something about highly theoretical models before they can do anything is the height of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171587</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that&#039;s true. You know what they say about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that&#39;s true. You know what they say about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171577</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, OK, Mikkel, but politically I don&#039;t think we can avoid the pressure to &#039;create jobs&#039; in the short term, so I&#039;d at least prefer that someone find a way to credibly do so without it being a complete farce or political grab bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, OK, Mikkel, but politically I don&#39;t think we can avoid the pressure to &#39;create jobs&#39; in the short term, so I&#39;d at least prefer that someone find a way to credibly do so without it being a complete farce or political grab bag.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171575</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, because that would be the smart thing to do? But I don&#039;t believe that the #1 priority at this point should be to create jobs or try to prevent a sharp downturn, but to just plan and support people as they need it. As DLS points out that is what gives the most &quot;bang for the buck&quot; anyway and at some point things will stabilize naturally and then we will have more resources to rebuild and expand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, because that would be the smart thing to do? But I don&#39;t believe that the #1 priority at this point should be to create jobs or try to prevent a sharp downturn, but to just plan and support people as they need it. As DLS points out that is what gives the most &#8220;bang for the buck&#8221; anyway and at some point things will stabilize naturally and then we will have more resources to rebuild and expand.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171572</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That actually gives me an idea, DLS. Why not have an actual bid process for job creating stimulus money? The main criteria would be the ratio of cost: jobs, so that those mayors who submit proposals like the ones you highlighted wouldn&#039;t stand a chance, while other projects where the ratio was under $100,000 per job would be competitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That actually gives me an idea, DLS. Why not have an actual bid process for job creating stimulus money? The main criteria would be the ratio of cost: jobs, so that those mayors who submit proposals like the ones you highlighted wouldn&#39;t stand a chance, while other projects where the ratio was under $100,000 per job would be competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171564</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>City: Boynton Beach, FL&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Program: Community Development Block Grants&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Project Description:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quantum Eco Park ? Development of an &quot;eco&quot; park using LEEDS or other &quot;green&quot; design princip[le]s. Amenities&lt;br&gt;to include trails through natural areas, nature center for environmental education, interpreive exhibits, rock&lt;br&gt;garden, butterfly garden, botanical garden&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Funding Required: $4,500,000&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jobs: 50&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;City: Austin, TX&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Program: Water and Wastewater Infrastructure&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Project Description:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Raul Alvarez Disc Golf Course: This project will develop a 36?hole disc golf course that will be environmentally&lt;br&gt;and financially sustainable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Funding Required: $886,000&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jobs: 4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City: Boynton Beach, FL</p>
<p>Program: Community Development Block Grants</p>
<p>Project Description:</p>
<p>Quantum Eco Park ? Development of an &#8220;eco&#8221; park using LEEDS or other &#8220;green&#8221; design princip[le]s. Amenities<br />to include trails through natural areas, nature center for environmental education, interpreive exhibits, rock<br />garden, butterfly garden, botanical garden</p>
<p>Funding Required: $4,500,000</p>
<p>Jobs: 50</p>
<p>City: Austin, TX</p>
<p>Program: Water and Wastewater Infrastructure</p>
<p>Project Description:</p>
<p>Raul Alvarez Disc Golf Course: This project will develop a 36?hole disc golf course that will be environmentally<br />and financially sustainable. </p>
<p>Funding Required: $886,000</p>
<p>Jobs: 4</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171563</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Translation: To “survive” the Great Depression, Americans in the 1930s didn’t want someone telling them they needed to buckle down and weather the storm and nothing more. They wanted someone telling them — and showing them — that, while they were buckling down, their government would be doing everything it could imagine to help. That’s what many Republicans are missing in their assessment of the current situation, I fear: The national psychology requires government action, right or wrong.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure. But...&lt;br&gt;The domestic audience of everyday Americans isn&#039;t the only one that needs to be addressed. Obama had better start looking like he knows what he&#039;s doing about the banking system and global economic issues including trade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The single best thing he could do- for himself and his party politically as well as for the country (even the entire planet, when you consider the global impact of all of this) is to start showing more decisive leadership by announcing that Congress must (and will) act swiftly on the things that must be addressed immediately but will be more deliberate on the issues that require more time and greater understanding before we act. He ought to insist that the stimulus bill be stripped down and the longer term stuff will be handled separately so that the emergency and stimulatory measures can easily clear the bar with widespread support from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Translation: To “survive” the Great Depression, Americans in the 1930s didn’t want someone telling them they needed to buckle down and weather the storm and nothing more. They wanted someone telling them — and showing them — that, while they were buckling down, their government would be doing everything it could imagine to help. That’s what many Republicans are missing in their assessment of the current situation, I fear: The national psychology requires government action, right or wrong.</i></p>
<p>Sure. But&#8230;<br />The domestic audience of everyday Americans isn&#39;t the only one that needs to be addressed. Obama had better start looking like he knows what he&#39;s doing about the banking system and global economic issues including trade.</p>
<p>The single best thing he could do- for himself and his party politically as well as for the country (even the entire planet, when you consider the global impact of all of this) is to start showing more decisive leadership by announcing that Congress must (and will) act swiftly on the things that must be addressed immediately but will be more deliberate on the issues that require more time and greater understanding before we act. He ought to insist that the stimulus bill be stripped down and the longer term stuff will be handled separately so that the emergency and stimulatory measures can easily clear the bar with widespread support from both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171559</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Pete, you&#039;re right about &quot;recognition.&quot;  I picked up the following book in downtown Detroit a few weeks ago,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Slump-Capitalism-Crisis-1929/dp/1842322451&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Slump-Capitalism-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Used book stores are gold mines!]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and while the New Deal didn&#039;t end the Great Depression, and people didn&#039;t necessarily (though some no doubt did) feel happy that the federal government was doing something for them, at the very least, as contrasted with what was felt about Hoover, with FDR someone at least acknowledged the plight that so many people were in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Hey, everyone!  The cities and mayors aren&#039;t limiting themselves to getting bailout money to sustain mismanaged operations, as with the City of New York so long ago.  (Does Bloomberg want another bailout?)  Here&#039;s what the mayors have on their minds for stimulus projects.  An eco-park!  A Frisbee golf course!  The dinner bell has been rung in Washington, and the mayors have responded heartily.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;344 pages of Washington-inspired stimulus ideas:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usmayors.org/mainstreeteconomicrecovery/documents/mser-report-200901.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.usmayors.org/mainstreeteconomicrecov...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Pete, you&#39;re right about &#8220;recognition.&#8221;  I picked up the following book in downtown Detroit a few weeks ago,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Slump-Capitalism-Crisis-1929/dp/1842322451" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Slump-Capitalism-&#8230;</a></p>
<p>[Used book stores are gold mines!]</p>
<p>and while the New Deal didn&#39;t end the Great Depression, and people didn&#39;t necessarily (though some no doubt did) feel happy that the federal government was doing something for them, at the very least, as contrasted with what was felt about Hoover, with FDR someone at least acknowledged the plight that so many people were in.</p>
<p>2. Hey, everyone!  The cities and mayors aren&#39;t limiting themselves to getting bailout money to sustain mismanaged operations, as with the City of New York so long ago.  (Does Bloomberg want another bailout?)  Here&#39;s what the mayors have on their minds for stimulus projects.  An eco-park!  A Frisbee golf course!  The dinner bell has been rung in Washington, and the mayors have responded heartily.</p>
<p>344 pages of Washington-inspired stimulus ideas:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usmayors.org/mainstreeteconomicrecovery/documents/mser-report-200901.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usmayors.org/mainstreeteconomicrecov&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171552</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the burden of proof _always_ lies with _proponents_ of government intervention or authority.  That&#039;s our English libertarian normality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, the burden of proof on a stimulus lies with proponents of it.  There is an historical as well as logical basis for a stimulus effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, the burden of proof lies with proponents of _each_element_ of a stimulus package, to show it truly is stimulatory in effect and in intention (as opposed to, say, family planning or midnight basketball).  Hopefully the Senate will be honest, logical, and mature in lieu of the House Democrats&#039; gross misconduct in this regard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* * *&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I&#039;ve now been talking about this for two years (I should probably try to get a bigger pulpit) but the &#039;something&#039; we should be doing is shoring up food/housing/unemployment distribution programs and planning all these infrastructure projects to work on once we&#039;ve hit bottom in a year or two. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes.  In addition to that book by Bootle and one or two articles by him I&#039;ve linked to already, there is the &quot;bang for the buck&quot; evaluation by Zandi at Moody&#039;s Economy that shows that food stamps and unemployment insurance (as well as aid to states) are among the kinds of measures that have the most effect.  Presenting information like that is what more stimulus advocates should be doing (as well as using that information to guide their choices and preferences!).  We also need to long out in the longer-term and be propitious now about the devotion of some spending and activity (which should boost employment, coincidentally) toward infrastructure needs (repairing or replacing deficient bridges; increasing highway capacity where needed; improving our electrical power transmission system or &quot;grid&quot; in addition to correcting known deficiencies) as well as lesser needs and wants (adding new freeways where they have long been needed; research and development into future electrical infrastructure, alternative energy sources).  Coincidentally, infrastructure is probably the area for spending and activity most acceptable politically to the most people (the least controversial, you could alternatively say).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One way to aid the states that Obama could and logically should exploit (as an incrementalist measure toward Medicare for All) would be to take over financing, then administration of Medicaid from the states.  I also believe that if Obama were smart, he could exploit a favorite GOP item, tax reductions, by offering the best kind, which is a tax reduction for everyone, possibly leading to eventual replacement of the payroll tax by the income tax (made more progressive, naturally, to buy more votes) and even readjusting tax and spending so as to make Social Security sustainable (which it currently is not).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Housing is controversial and provocative because the federal government shouldn&#039;t engage in deliberate moral hazard and vote-buying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Banking is controversial and provocative not only because of past failures but the history also with the savings and loan bailout and with the corruption of current stimulus thought to include federal provision of subsidized low-rate mortgages, likely to many who are unqualified borrowers.  (It&#039;s only a matter-of-degree difference between these mortgages under consideration and federal payday loans.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Monetizing the large increase in federal debt, and later, inflation &quot;to get out of deflation&quot; but also to buy votes as in decades gone by is a fear that may become real, but not currently.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Short of a sound stimulus (more like a decline-brake or retarder), it would be better to be merely reactive, wait for things to fail and then take remedial action, or just have done the most sound thing as an alternative to a sound stimulus policy, which would be to do nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the burden of proof _always_ lies with _proponents_ of government intervention or authority.  That&#39;s our English libertarian normality.</p>
<p>Second, the burden of proof on a stimulus lies with proponents of it.  There is an historical as well as logical basis for a stimulus effort.</p>
<p>Third, the burden of proof lies with proponents of _each_element_ of a stimulus package, to show it truly is stimulatory in effect and in intention (as opposed to, say, family planning or midnight basketball).  Hopefully the Senate will be honest, logical, and mature in lieu of the House Democrats&#39; gross misconduct in this regard.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#39;ve now been talking about this for two years (I should probably try to get a bigger pulpit) but the &#39;something&#39; we should be doing is shoring up food/housing/unemployment distribution programs and planning all these infrastructure projects to work on once we&#39;ve hit bottom in a year or two. &#8220;</p>
<p>Yes.  In addition to that book by Bootle and one or two articles by him I&#39;ve linked to already, there is the &#8220;bang for the buck&#8221; evaluation by Zandi at Moody&#39;s Economy that shows that food stamps and unemployment insurance (as well as aid to states) are among the kinds of measures that have the most effect.  Presenting information like that is what more stimulus advocates should be doing (as well as using that information to guide their choices and preferences!).  We also need to long out in the longer-term and be propitious now about the devotion of some spending and activity (which should boost employment, coincidentally) toward infrastructure needs (repairing or replacing deficient bridges; increasing highway capacity where needed; improving our electrical power transmission system or &#8220;grid&#8221; in addition to correcting known deficiencies) as well as lesser needs and wants (adding new freeways where they have long been needed; research and development into future electrical infrastructure, alternative energy sources).  Coincidentally, infrastructure is probably the area for spending and activity most acceptable politically to the most people (the least controversial, you could alternatively say).</p>
<p>One way to aid the states that Obama could and logically should exploit (as an incrementalist measure toward Medicare for All) would be to take over financing, then administration of Medicaid from the states.  I also believe that if Obama were smart, he could exploit a favorite GOP item, tax reductions, by offering the best kind, which is a tax reduction for everyone, possibly leading to eventual replacement of the payroll tax by the income tax (made more progressive, naturally, to buy more votes) and even readjusting tax and spending so as to make Social Security sustainable (which it currently is not).</p>
<p>Housing is controversial and provocative because the federal government shouldn&#39;t engage in deliberate moral hazard and vote-buying.</p>
<p>Banking is controversial and provocative not only because of past failures but the history also with the savings and loan bailout and with the corruption of current stimulus thought to include federal provision of subsidized low-rate mortgages, likely to many who are unqualified borrowers.  (It&#39;s only a matter-of-degree difference between these mortgages under consideration and federal payday loans.)</p>
<p>Monetizing the large increase in federal debt, and later, inflation &#8220;to get out of deflation&#8221; but also to buy votes as in decades gone by is a fear that may become real, but not currently.</p>
<p>Short of a sound stimulus (more like a decline-brake or retarder), it would be better to be merely reactive, wait for things to fail and then take remedial action, or just have done the most sound thing as an alternative to a sound stimulus policy, which would be to do nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26194/stimulus-schmimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-171551</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I agree that the models are wrong, but any complaint about the spending goes 10x for the tax cuts, so if she wants to be intellectually honest (she doesn&#039;t) she would admit that. I would disagree with you that it is better to do &quot;something&quot; than &quot;nothing&quot; when &quot;something&quot; means trying to prop up the system. That is going to require so much money that it is undoable. The entire argument is misplaced because they are arguing about whether we can prevent the downturn from getting really bad, when they should be arguing about how to respond when it does. I&#039;ve now been talking about this for two years (I should probably try to get a bigger pulpit) but the &quot;something&quot; we should be doing is shoring up food/housing/unemployment distribution programs and planning all these infrastructure projects to work on once we&#039;ve hit bottom in a year or two. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This should take place in parallel with wiping out the current banking system (either by setting up a parallel one and just stop bailout out the current, or forcing them to write down everything and be recapitalized) so businesses will have liquidity to operate. It should not be about trying to prevent deflation or getting GDP growth back up immediately. But even if I had a bigger audience, no one would to listen to me because I&#039;m saying that most people are going to lose a majority of their wealth and they don&#039;t want to accept that...so we&#039;re going to squander it all and then end up with a humanitarian crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I agree that the models are wrong, but any complaint about the spending goes 10x for the tax cuts, so if she wants to be intellectually honest (she doesn&#39;t) she would admit that. I would disagree with you that it is better to do &#8220;something&#8221; than &#8220;nothing&#8221; when &#8220;something&#8221; means trying to prop up the system. That is going to require so much money that it is undoable. The entire argument is misplaced because they are arguing about whether we can prevent the downturn from getting really bad, when they should be arguing about how to respond when it does. I&#39;ve now been talking about this for two years (I should probably try to get a bigger pulpit) but the &#8220;something&#8221; we should be doing is shoring up food/housing/unemployment distribution programs and planning all these infrastructure projects to work on once we&#39;ve hit bottom in a year or two. </p>
<p>This should take place in parallel with wiping out the current banking system (either by setting up a parallel one and just stop bailout out the current, or forcing them to write down everything and be recapitalized) so businesses will have liquidity to operate. It should not be about trying to prevent deflation or getting GDP growth back up immediately. But even if I had a bigger audience, no one would to listen to me because I&#39;m saying that most people are going to lose a majority of their wealth and they don&#39;t want to accept that&#8230;so we&#39;re going to squander it all and then end up with a humanitarian crisis.</p>
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