Comments on: Collins (R) and Nelson (D) Work To Create Bipartisan Stimulus Bill For Senate http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 14:01:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Passing A Bailout Package, Part 1 at Politics@Rant http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-174278 Passing A Bailout Package, Part 1 at Politics@Rant Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:35:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-174278 [...] post, it appears that at least one moderate Republican and one moderate Democrat in the Senate are working up their own proposal. And President Obama told Democratic leaders to be a bit more flexible when it came to the details [...] [...] post, it appears that at least one moderate Republican and one moderate Democrat in the Senate are working up their own proposal. And President Obama told Democratic leaders to be a bit more flexible when it came to the details [...]

]]> By: TheMaineView http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171278 TheMaineView Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:23:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171278 Collins is a Repub in all the the places that count for Mainers, mostly guns and taxes. I have disagreed with her positions in the past, but I'm really excited about this.<br><br>I feel proud that a state that is generally unimportant has two powerful and influential senators. Beside my Mainely Pride, I hope that Collins and Nelson really can get all the wasteful spending cut and bring the focus back to job creation and strengthening our industry where it should be. Collins is a Repub in all the the places that count for Mainers, mostly guns and taxes. I have disagreed with her positions in the past, but I'm really excited about this.

I feel proud that a state that is generally unimportant has two powerful and influential senators. Beside my Mainely Pride, I hope that Collins and Nelson really can get all the wasteful spending cut and bring the focus back to job creation and strengthening our industry where it should be.

]]> By: katiec http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171277 katiec Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:21:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171277 Hope they are sincere in doing what is right. The stimulous contained too much special interest, etc, but tax cuts are not the answer. From what I have seen it has no benefits for the people who no longer have a job and whose unemployment has run out. There are many, many people really hurting and is not time for politics as usual.<br>The stimulous package must be just that and every penny given to the states, education system etc must have restrictions, stipulations and guidelines as to how the money is spent. The states, which are lobby controlled are just drooling to get their hands on this money and we must make sure every penny is spent wisely. Hope they are sincere in doing what is right. The stimulous contained too much special interest, etc, but tax cuts are not the answer. From what I have seen it has no benefits for the people who no longer have a job and whose unemployment has run out. There are many, many people really hurting and is not time for politics as usual.
The stimulous package must be just that and every penny given to the states, education system etc must have restrictions, stipulations and guidelines as to how the money is spent. The states, which are lobby controlled are just drooling to get their hands on this money and we must make sure every penny is spent wisely.

]]> By: elrod http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171247 elrod Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:36:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171247 Austin,<br>I agree with you and I agree with Collins and Nelson in principle.<br><br>I still want to see what they determine to be "non-stimulus" as that decision will be political as much as it is "objective." Still, it's the right idea and Alice Rivlin called for it before. Austin,
I agree with you and I agree with Collins and Nelson in principle.

I still want to see what they determine to be “non-stimulus” as that decision will be political as much as it is “objective.” Still, it's the right idea and Alice Rivlin called for it before.

]]> By: PeopleWatching http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171238 PeopleWatching Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:26:39 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171238 Well-written article. In reference to your comment about "Vietnam-era derived baby boomers", there was a brilliant op-ed in USA TODAY this week that deal with these polarizing left-right Boomer battles in the context of the generational torch recently being passed from the Boomers to Generation Jones (the heretore lost generation between the Boomers and Generation X)...http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090127/column27_st.art.htm I'm part of Generation Jones, and have been thrilled to see it getting so much big-time national media attention recently. Well-written article. In reference to your comment about “Vietnam-era derived baby boomers”, there was a brilliant op-ed in USA TODAY this week that deal with these polarizing left-right Boomer battles in the context of the generational torch recently being passed from the Boomers to Generation Jones (the heretore lost generation between the Boomers and Generation X)…http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090127/column27_st.art.htm I'm part of Generation Jones, and have been thrilled to see it getting so much big-time national media attention recently.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171224 DLS Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:47:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171224 Austin Roth: If there were honesty, it would be that these are two Democratic Senators.<br><br>For that's what Colllins, Snowe, Specter, etc.,actually are and honestly would be if honesty in partisan affiliation were the order of the day.<br><br>What I had to refrain from laughing about earlier was that (okay, could be "upper House" conceit at work here) someone like Susan Collins, who is liberal and should be a Democrat, acknowledges there is itdiotic excess in the House bill and that it needs pruning and scrubbing.<br><br>[sigh] At least they found someone currently with an R (even if a phony R) on the name tag to try to clean up this idiocy.<br><br>It was a really stupid thing for Obama to try to associate himself and his new office with this House bill. Hopefully he'll learn. I suspect he will. (Same for that stupid dinosaur union stuff even if he helps later with "card check.") Austin Roth: If there were honesty, it would be that these are two Democratic Senators.

For that's what Colllins, Snowe, Specter, etc.,actually are and honestly would be if honesty in partisan affiliation were the order of the day.

What I had to refrain from laughing about earlier was that (okay, could be “upper House” conceit at work here) someone like Susan Collins, who is liberal and should be a Democrat, acknowledges there is itdiotic excess in the House bill and that it needs pruning and scrubbing.

[sigh] At least they found someone currently with an R (even if a phony R) on the name tag to try to clean up this idiocy.

It was a really stupid thing for Obama to try to associate himself and his new office with this House bill. Hopefully he'll learn. I suspect he will. (Same for that stupid dinosaur union stuff even if he helps later with “card check.”)

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171223 DLS Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:33:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171223 1.<br><br>"Rush “I want him to fail' Limbaugh"<br><br>This is old news, and reaction from the very first moment to what he said has been ridiculously excessive and childish.<br><br>* * *<br><br>"maybe there is hope that the stupid stuff that doesn't belong can be taken out, without new bloat being added"<br><br>The stupid stuff merits no defense -- defense is degenerate. The problem indeed with the Senate and then back to the childish "inmates in charge of asylum" House is adding more bloat.<br><br>* * *<br><br>Obama has slipped -- acting as if the lousy House bill is his (his clout cannot carry it among better people) and then making those freakish pre-1960s union-related remarks recently. Tom Health-Care Daschle's tax troubles are only more problems. Now we get to see how he handles events other than blind worship that even made Saturday Night Live's producers take note. ("Question, sir. What is it that makes you so great?") 1.

“Rush “I want him to fail' Limbaugh”

This is old news, and reaction from the very first moment to what he said has been ridiculously excessive and childish.

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“maybe there is hope that the stupid stuff that doesn't belong can be taken out, without new bloat being added”

The stupid stuff merits no defense — defense is degenerate. The problem indeed with the Senate and then back to the childish “inmates in charge of asylum” House is adding more bloat.

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Obama has slipped — acting as if the lousy House bill is his (his clout cannot carry it among better people) and then making those freakish pre-1960s union-related remarks recently. Tom Health-Care Daschle's tax troubles are only more problems. Now we get to see how he handles events other than blind worship that even made Saturday Night Live's producers take note. (“Question, sir. What is it that makes you so great?”)

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-171219 AustinRoth Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:17:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/26119/collins-r-and-nelson-d-work-to-create-bipartisan-stimulus-bill-for-senate/#comment-171219 OK, now that these two Senators are acknowledging the criticism that many in Washington, along with a lot of economists, and I and others on this board have made, can we all stop collectively being told that we were being un-American, hate Americans, are obstructionist, etc.?<br><br>Elrod - to a side-bar we had, maybe there is hope that the stupid stuff that doesn't belong can be taken out, without new bloat being added. That would be very, very nice, and perhaps an example to Pelosi, et. al., of what actual bi-partisanship looks like.<br><br>And before I am even attacked, I am very aware that the Republicans in the recent past have shown no example of it either. But if indeed this is supposed to be the New Way of Washington that Obama promised, then just repeating the mistakes but from the other direction is not going to be a solution. OK, now that these two Senators are acknowledging the criticism that many in Washington, along with a lot of economists, and I and others on this board have made, can we all stop collectively being told that we were being un-American, hate Americans, are obstructionist, etc.?

Elrod – to a side-bar we had, maybe there is hope that the stupid stuff that doesn't belong can be taken out, without new bloat being added. That would be very, very nice, and perhaps an example to Pelosi, et. al., of what actual bi-partisanship looks like.

And before I am even attacked, I am very aware that the Republicans in the recent past have shown no example of it either. But if indeed this is supposed to be the New Way of Washington that Obama promised, then just repeating the mistakes but from the other direction is not going to be a solution.

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