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	<title>Comments on: Obama Presidency Marks &#8216;End of Western Civilization&#8217;: Argumenty i Facty, Russia</title>
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		<title>By: Frnkl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frnkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably he is right, but it will take a couple of decades. In a couple of decades whites will be a minority in America and there will NEVER again be a white President in America. A permanent affirmativa action coalition (afro-asian-indian) will share Power and hold the oval office.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am European and I think Western Civilisation in America has come to and End. It is evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably he is right, but it will take a couple of decades. In a couple of decades whites will be a minority in America and there will NEVER again be a white President in America. A permanent affirmativa action coalition (afro-asian-indian) will share Power and hold the oval office.</p>
<p>I am European and I think Western Civilisation in America has come to and End. It is evident.</p>
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		<title>By: rfyork</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfyork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kern:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After reading Trostnikov&#039;s piece, my only reaction is:  Are you kidding.  This is no more an alternative point of view than Intelligent Design.  Trostnikov seems to lack even minimal understanding of either American politics or American culture.  I&#039;ve read other pieces by this fellow and have generally had the same reaction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn&#039;t he the one who predicts that the U.S. will be split into 4 or 5 nations by 2012?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s important that we see ourselves as others see us, but, for pity&#039;s sake, please insure that the &quot;others&quot; are looking through clear lenses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Richard York</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kern:</p>
<p>After reading Trostnikov&#39;s piece, my only reaction is:  Are you kidding.  This is no more an alternative point of view than Intelligent Design.  Trostnikov seems to lack even minimal understanding of either American politics or American culture.  I&#39;ve read other pieces by this fellow and have generally had the same reaction.</p>
<p>Isn&#39;t he the one who predicts that the U.S. will be split into 4 or 5 nations by 2012?</p>
<p>It&#39;s important that we see ourselves as others see us, but, for pity&#39;s sake, please insure that the &#8220;others&#8221; are looking through clear lenses.</p>
<p>Richard York</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear silhouette&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d like permission to quote from your comment in an article at TMV. May I have your permission, please?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear silhouette<br />I&#39;d like permission to quote from your comment in an article at TMV. May I have your permission, please?</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Russians have beaten down their own populace so much, and ironically they themselves have been without challenge so much that they are as ridiculous as the emperor with no clothes when it comes to spinning propaganda like this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s so obvious and apparent to onlookers outside their country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve met a few russians in recent years.  They all share a common bond in their personaities: the women are timid, timid and fearful of authority in any form, even in one on one with other people they almost always see as dominant.  The men are also timid but express it in latent anger and chronic complaining...the type of thing you&#039;d expect from a passive-aggressive man.  They&#039;ve done no service by their country pressuring their populace this way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The idea of communism is a good one, as long as morality accompanies it.  The idea of capitalism is a good one, as long as morality accompanies it.  But either type of government without morality is doomed to failure because of the inevitable and nearly irresistable lure of people aspiring to tyrannical positions of power and influence. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The thing about Obama is that he isn&#039;t a tyrant.  He&#039;s not a perfect person.  No one is.  He&#039;s made some real blunders and stepped on some toes on the way up.  But where Putin and Bush seem utterly recalcitrant in the pursuit of self-reflection, introspection and self-improvement, Obama is thoughtful, repentant and open to new ways of doing things that improve the common condition of mankind as a whole and not just himself (as maybe he started out doing).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The russians underestimate the inner core of Americans.  We will return to morality.  Perhaps not puritan, protestant, christian or other religious dogmatic professed-but-not-actualized morality, but instead a real and actualized one...more practical...realizing we must all get along to make things flow smoothly.  An elective communism so-to-speak.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d like to see Russia back off it&#039;s people and allow the same thing to blossom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Russians have beaten down their own populace so much, and ironically they themselves have been without challenge so much that they are as ridiculous as the emperor with no clothes when it comes to spinning propaganda like this.</p>
<p>It&#39;s so obvious and apparent to onlookers outside their country.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve met a few russians in recent years.  They all share a common bond in their personaities: the women are timid, timid and fearful of authority in any form, even in one on one with other people they almost always see as dominant.  The men are also timid but express it in latent anger and chronic complaining&#8230;the type of thing you&#39;d expect from a passive-aggressive man.  They&#39;ve done no service by their country pressuring their populace this way. </p>
<p>The idea of communism is a good one, as long as morality accompanies it.  The idea of capitalism is a good one, as long as morality accompanies it.  But either type of government without morality is doomed to failure because of the inevitable and nearly irresistable lure of people aspiring to tyrannical positions of power and influence. </p>
<p>The thing about Obama is that he isn&#39;t a tyrant.  He&#39;s not a perfect person.  No one is.  He&#39;s made some real blunders and stepped on some toes on the way up.  But where Putin and Bush seem utterly recalcitrant in the pursuit of self-reflection, introspection and self-improvement, Obama is thoughtful, repentant and open to new ways of doing things that improve the common condition of mankind as a whole and not just himself (as maybe he started out doing).</p>
<p>The russians underestimate the inner core of Americans.  We will return to morality.  Perhaps not puritan, protestant, christian or other religious dogmatic professed-but-not-actualized morality, but instead a real and actualized one&#8230;more practical&#8230;realizing we must all get along to make things flow smoothly.  An elective communism so-to-speak.</p>
<p>I&#39;d like to see Russia back off it&#39;s people and allow the same thing to blossom.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old Communist style was a lot like this: sort of your grandfather&#039;s generation&#039;s idea of name-calling seeming aimed at getting a rise cheaply. I wonder if it&#039;s safer to write negatively about the US from Russia, as the Russian secret thugs seem to literally murder any journo or newspaper editor who writes negatively about Putin&#039;s preening and his purposely cutting off of natural gas supplies for heat to Europe in the dead midst of winter, freezing the vulnerable elderly and the very young and the ill. I kinda can imagine why its safer to try to strafe the US; sort of a double header: be safe, and win Putin&#039;s approval. In the end, not safe. Not safe at all for the writer&#039;s soul.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old Communist style was a lot like this: sort of your grandfather&#39;s generation&#39;s idea of name-calling seeming aimed at getting a rise cheaply. I wonder if it&#39;s safer to write negatively about the US from Russia, as the Russian secret thugs seem to literally murder any journo or newspaper editor who writes negatively about Putin&#39;s preening and his purposely cutting off of natural gas supplies for heat to Europe in the dead midst of winter, freezing the vulnerable elderly and the very young and the ill. I kinda can imagine why its safer to try to strafe the US; sort of a double header: be safe, and win Putin&#39;s approval. In the end, not safe. Not safe at all for the writer&#39;s soul.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an idiot. (I say that in a very moderate way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an idiot. (I say that in a very moderate way.)</p>
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