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		<title>By: Iamnotanumber</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169777</link>
		<dc:creator>Iamnotanumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Let’s not play the game blame” is just a euphemism for tax and spend.  First off you cut spending then you see what you need.  Are you aware that there are 4 California entities with overlapping responsibilities for energy matters (CEC, PUC, Calif ISO, ARB).  There are 4 agencies that manage landfills, and over 6 involved in environmental issues,.  There are 4 (count them) 4 state policing entities (CHP, State Police, State Marshals, Capital Police), the list goes on and on.  Approval from one agency sometimes leads to intervention by another.  My employer is shutting down and moving to Kentucky. If Karen Bass gets her way we will have the highest corporate income tax in the nation, highest personal income tax, and highest sales tax in the nation.  Neither I nor my company can afford California any longer. Many have been professing this for decades, but living on credit has become a way of life.  Ask yourself this (and be honest) do you interact with the State Government more than once a year (at tax time).  What exactly does the state do for you except “regulate” you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Let’s not play the game blame” is just a euphemism for tax and spend.  First off you cut spending then you see what you need.  Are you aware that there are 4 California entities with overlapping responsibilities for energy matters (CEC, PUC, Calif ISO, ARB).  There are 4 agencies that manage landfills, and over 6 involved in environmental issues,.  There are 4 (count them) 4 state policing entities (CHP, State Police, State Marshals, Capital Police), the list goes on and on.  Approval from one agency sometimes leads to intervention by another.  My employer is shutting down and moving to Kentucky. If Karen Bass gets her way we will have the highest corporate income tax in the nation, highest personal income tax, and highest sales tax in the nation.  Neither I nor my company can afford California any longer. Many have been professing this for decades, but living on credit has become a way of life.  Ask yourself this (and be honest) do you interact with the State Government more than once a year (at tax time).  What exactly does the state do for you except “regulate” you?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr_J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169712</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr_J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I agree, taxes must go up and spending must come down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, if this isn&#039;t an ideal time for fiscal conservatives to cut every social program they don&#039;t like, what is?  There seems to be a process for adding programs but none for retiring them.  And once added, times eventually get hard, taxes must go up to balance the budget, and the ratchet ticks another notch.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Companies in this situation find lines of business they can no longer afford to be in, and they shut them down entirely.  The state should do the same.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is also an ideal time for measures designed to reduce the cost of services.  We keep authorizing more money for schools, yet education seems to keep getting more expensive as schools are burdened with costs of complying with government regulations.  Likewise government keeps passing measures to make health care incrementally safer or incrementally more philanthropic, and curiously it keeps getting more expensive.  With education taking the lion&#039;s share of the state budget, this is a perfect time to re-examine the burdens state regulation places on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I agree, taxes must go up and spending must come down.</p>
<p>However, if this isn&#39;t an ideal time for fiscal conservatives to cut every social program they don&#39;t like, what is?  There seems to be a process for adding programs but none for retiring them.  And once added, times eventually get hard, taxes must go up to balance the budget, and the ratchet ticks another notch.  </p>
<p>Companies in this situation find lines of business they can no longer afford to be in, and they shut them down entirely.  The state should do the same.  </p>
<p>This is also an ideal time for measures designed to reduce the cost of services.  We keep authorizing more money for schools, yet education seems to keep getting more expensive as schools are burdened with costs of complying with government regulations.  Likewise government keeps passing measures to make health care incrementally safer or incrementally more philanthropic, and curiously it keeps getting more expensive.  With education taking the lion&#39;s share of the state budget, this is a perfect time to re-examine the burdens state regulation places on it.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169339</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here.  You&#039;ll recognize some names in here.  Fits in with Moody&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://Economy.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economy.com&lt;/a&gt; positions and those names should be familiar to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbp.org/pdfs/2008/0807_pp_cutsortaxes.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cbp.org/pdfs/2008/0807_pp_cutsortaxe...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enjoy.  Good luck, California, you need it.  I don&#039;t think you can convert to an objective, truly just property tax system in place of Prop 13, which would be great to do now since so much is in need of reform and revision there.  Hopefully someday you&#039;ll be exporting electric power rather than having to import it, and have developed Monterey Bay into another national-class metro area rivaling San Diego, but that&#039;s expecting too much of you again, at this time.  We&#039;ll see what you manage to do.  Washington should let you fail before taking any action -- if you cannot prevent failure, which you ought to be able to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here.  You&#39;ll recognize some names in here.  Fits in with Moody&#39;s <a href="http://Economy.com" rel="nofollow">Economy.com</a> positions and those names should be familiar to you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbp.org/pdfs/2008/0807_pp_cutsortaxes.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbp.org/pdfs/2008/0807_pp_cutsortaxe&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Enjoy.  Good luck, California, you need it.  I don&#39;t think you can convert to an objective, truly just property tax system in place of Prop 13, which would be great to do now since so much is in need of reform and revision there.  Hopefully someday you&#39;ll be exporting electric power rather than having to import it, and have developed Monterey Bay into another national-class metro area rivaling San Diego, but that&#39;s expecting too much of you again, at this time.  We&#39;ll see what you manage to do.  Washington should let you fail before taking any action &#8212; if you cannot prevent failure, which you ought to be able to do.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169337</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like with Michigan or New York -- federal bailouts are not the instant solution.  No continuing business as usual.  And as with Michigan, New York, or any other state that goes broke: federal receivership (takeover), if it _were_ to happen, should come with demotion to territorial status and loss of things like Congressional representation and whatever amounts to standard practices (official or otherwise) of revenue-sharing by Washington.  It&#039;s Detroit on steroids, without the bailout and the halfway meddling.  Just meddling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What can Obama and Washington do?  I still say do something quick that works toward their goals in Washington, like folding Medicaid into Medicare (expanding the scope of Medicare on its way toward encompassing all citizens and their dependents eventually).  Taking over Medicaid (&quot;100% financing at this time&quot;) would be a big help to the states while they proceeded to enact their own needed reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like with Michigan or New York &#8212; federal bailouts are not the instant solution.  No continuing business as usual.  And as with Michigan, New York, or any other state that goes broke: federal receivership (takeover), if it _were_ to happen, should come with demotion to territorial status and loss of things like Congressional representation and whatever amounts to standard practices (official or otherwise) of revenue-sharing by Washington.  It&#39;s Detroit on steroids, without the bailout and the halfway meddling.  Just meddling.</p>
<p>What can Obama and Washington do?  I still say do something quick that works toward their goals in Washington, like folding Medicaid into Medicare (expanding the scope of Medicare on its way toward encompassing all citizens and their dependents eventually).  Taking over Medicaid (&#8220;100% financing at this time&#8221;) would be a big help to the states while they proceeded to enact their own needed reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169336</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silhouette as well as Superdestroyer happen to be right.  First we have to identify the problems, and their causes.  (Incrementalism or the &quot;ratchet&quot; that Superdestroyer refers to is accurate, though it&#039;s not as bad as when New York City bankrupted itself through the motto &quot;More&quot; over several years leading to failure in the mid-1970s.)  Overall, it&#039;s excessive spending that&#039;s to blame, on unnecessary things (wants becoming &quot;needs&quot; [sic]).  With the stock bubble, which was Internet-related, and then the real-estate bubble, California&#039;s contemporary buy-a-vote gang spent to all new heights.  California is notoriously bad, but has a different &quot;flavor&quot; or complexion vis-a-vis the Northeast and industrial Midwest.  There is not as much a dinosaur nature to it and not as many fiefdoms with arrogant bureaucrats whose instinctive reaction to any shortfall is a tax increase.  It &quot;came of age&quot; after World War II and has been run forever by Dems in Sacramento, the unions, etc., but is different from as well as much larger than any older eastern Blue state.  (Even-more-stupid environmental policies, for example, and reliance on and parasitism of other states for much of its electrical power supply and on Mexico for liquefied natural gas facilities.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now they need to look at what may work best for everyone, as described below for the federal government but which involves the states, too,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/testimony/2008/Zandi1119081.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/testimony/2...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but they must set priorities, and reduce or eliminate what is unimportant or unnecessary, which is where California routinely failed before I moved away from there in 1992.  Requiring discipline and the setting of priorities, and having to say No, challenges California&#039;s maturity.  It proved too much for so many in 1975 with New York City (which arrogantly expected the rest of the country to give it the money to keep wasting), has proved too much before elsewhere, and may be too challenging again now.  Surely the answer isn&#039;t magical assumptions that &quot;green jobs&quot; will be a solution -- as Michigan&#039;s governor and New York City&#039;s current mayor wrongly profess so embarrassingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silhouette as well as Superdestroyer happen to be right.  First we have to identify the problems, and their causes.  (Incrementalism or the &#8220;ratchet&#8221; that Superdestroyer refers to is accurate, though it&#39;s not as bad as when New York City bankrupted itself through the motto &#8220;More&#8221; over several years leading to failure in the mid-1970s.)  Overall, it&#39;s excessive spending that&#39;s to blame, on unnecessary things (wants becoming &#8220;needs&#8221; [sic]).  With the stock bubble, which was Internet-related, and then the real-estate bubble, California&#39;s contemporary buy-a-vote gang spent to all new heights.  California is notoriously bad, but has a different &#8220;flavor&#8221; or complexion vis-a-vis the Northeast and industrial Midwest.  There is not as much a dinosaur nature to it and not as many fiefdoms with arrogant bureaucrats whose instinctive reaction to any shortfall is a tax increase.  It &#8220;came of age&#8221; after World War II and has been run forever by Dems in Sacramento, the unions, etc., but is different from as well as much larger than any older eastern Blue state.  (Even-more-stupid environmental policies, for example, and reliance on and parasitism of other states for much of its electrical power supply and on Mexico for liquefied natural gas facilities.)</p>
<p>Now they need to look at what may work best for everyone, as described below for the federal government but which involves the states, too,</p>
<p><a href="http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/testimony/2008/Zandi1119081.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/testimony/2&#8230;</a></p>
<p>but they must set priorities, and reduce or eliminate what is unimportant or unnecessary, which is where California routinely failed before I moved away from there in 1992.  Requiring discipline and the setting of priorities, and having to say No, challenges California&#39;s maturity.  It proved too much for so many in 1975 with New York City (which arrogantly expected the rest of the country to give it the money to keep wasting), has proved too much before elsewhere, and may be too challenging again now.  Surely the answer isn&#39;t magical assumptions that &#8220;green jobs&#8221; will be a solution &#8212; as Michigan&#39;s governor and New York City&#39;s current mayor wrongly profess so embarrassingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169319</link>
		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I hear that a lot these days.  &quot;Let&#039;s look forward...let&#039;s not play the blame game.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The thing is that the beauty of the blame game isn&#039;t that people are getting off on trashing other people, it&#039;s that we can get to the bottom of why we&#039;re in the mess we&#039;re in and take proactive steps to prevent the same thing happening in the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Without doing that we are not an evolved species.  We learn from our mistakes.  If we simply blind ourselves to the mistakes, we will not learn and will repeat history over and over until our stubborn eyes open up.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rule of thumb: anyone who seems overly interested in not playing the blame game is the first place to start. ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I hear that a lot these days.  &#8220;Let&#39;s look forward&#8230;let&#39;s not play the blame game.&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing is that the beauty of the blame game isn&#39;t that people are getting off on trashing other people, it&#39;s that we can get to the bottom of why we&#39;re in the mess we&#39;re in and take proactive steps to prevent the same thing happening in the future.</p>
<p>Without doing that we are not an evolved species.  We learn from our mistakes.  If we simply blind ourselves to the mistakes, we will not learn and will repeat history over and over until our stubborn eyes open up.  </p>
<p>Rule of thumb: anyone who seems overly interested in not playing the blame game is the first place to start. ; )</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/25642/california-budget/comment-page-1/#comment-169316</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California is probably a victim of the ratchet effect.  When boom times happen (&lt;a href=&quot;http://dot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dot.com&lt;/a&gt; bubble, real estate bubble) the state and local government find new ways to spend money.  Then the bad times eventually show up and the state runs huge deficits. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, California has voters approving new spending initiatives that leave the fund raising to the state such as stem cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California is probably a victim of the ratchet effect.  When boom times happen (<a href="http://dot.com" rel="nofollow">dot.com</a> bubble, real estate bubble) the state and local government find new ways to spend money.  Then the bad times eventually show up and the state runs huge deficits. </p>
<p>Also, California has voters approving new spending initiatives that leave the fund raising to the state such as stem cell.</p>
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