Comments on: Cheney is Correct (Almost) http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:08:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167747 kritt11 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:31:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167747 JS - I agree - I call it the Paris Hilton syndrome- since most people are more interested in her activities than whether they are being well-represented by their government. It wasn't that long ago that no one dared come out against the Iraq War. JS – I agree – I call it the Paris Hilton syndrome- since most people are more interested in her activities than whether they are being well-represented by their government. It wasn't that long ago that no one dared come out against the Iraq War.

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167743 JSpencer Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:03:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167743 The effectiveness of Cheney's work (and the Bush administration in general) has relied on the same dynamic that PT Barnum exploited, although with much more dire results. It just seems like the people are so much easier to manipulate - consequently the country is losing it's greatness in direct proportion to the rate of the dumbing down of it's populace. It's rather terrifying actually, since the people are actually ceding power by giving up their wits; when this happens the vacuum is filled by the likes of Bush et al. The effectiveness of Cheney's work (and the Bush administration in general) has relied on the same dynamic that PT Barnum exploited, although with much more dire results. It just seems like the people are so much easier to manipulate – consequently the country is losing it's greatness in direct proportion to the rate of the dumbing down of it's populace. It's rather terrifying actually, since the people are actually ceding power by giving up their wits; when this happens the vacuum is filled by the likes of Bush et al.

]]> By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167723 kritt11 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:57:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167723 If you know anything about Cheney, you know that his intent was always to increase the power of the executive branch---even before 9/11. He learned a lot from his post-Watergate years as Gerald Ford's chief of staff. At that time, Congress had diluted the power of the presidency--probably necessary after Nixon's massive abuses. Cheney made it his mission to restore the power of the presidency, and took part in a shadow government-- which had its own agenda.<br><br>They are attempting to rewrite history in order to rescue the Bush/Cheney legacy and using the national security issue for all their abuses of power is the key. First it was used to force us into supporting the invasion of Iraq, then used to scare us into reelecting GWB, then to scare us into larger and larger defense budgets, and now to rescue the legacy. Why else would the reclusive Dick Cheney be giving all of these interviews? Why are accepting his word at face value after all of the blatant lies and more subtle deceptions that he has foisted on the American public???? If you know anything about Cheney, you know that his intent was always to increase the power of the executive branch—even before 9/11. He learned a lot from his post-Watergate years as Gerald Ford's chief of staff. At that time, Congress had diluted the power of the presidency–probably necessary after Nixon's massive abuses. Cheney made it his mission to restore the power of the presidency, and took part in a shadow government– which had its own agenda.

They are attempting to rewrite history in order to rescue the Bush/Cheney legacy and using the national security issue for all their abuses of power is the key. First it was used to force us into supporting the invasion of Iraq, then used to scare us into reelecting GWB, then to scare us into larger and larger defense budgets, and now to rescue the legacy. Why else would the reclusive Dick Cheney be giving all of these interviews? Why are accepting his word at face value after all of the blatant lies and more subtle deceptions that he has foisted on the American public????

]]> By: saintixe http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167719 saintixe Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:18:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167719 ok, Congress was spineless and must be blamed ... as we blamed German people but we did not put them in the stocks . rather we tried Hitler lackeys and his accomplices in Nuremberg. we were able in 1945 to know the degree in eveil and judge people accordingly<br>Congress stupid<br>but Cheney evil<br>so as rightly Joe Klein said it<br>see you in court Cheney and may you rot in hell. ok, Congress was spineless and must be blamed … as we blamed German people but we did not put them in the stocks . rather we tried Hitler lackeys and his accomplices in Nuremberg. we were able in 1945 to know the degree in eveil and judge people accordingly
Congress stupid
but Cheney evil
so as rightly Joe Klein said it
see you in court Cheney and may you rot in hell.

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167708 JSpencer Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:58:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167708 Why on earth would anyone choose to give Dick Cheney credit for anything? There is no way on god's green earth he will ever make up for even a fraction of the damage he's caused in this world. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of bones to pick with the congress too, but their crimes have been mainly of negligence... and a certain amount of spinelessness. If there is a reckoning in the hereafter (which I confess to having grave doubts about - even though it would be nice) then Dicky boy will have some explaining to do... Why on earth would anyone choose to give Dick Cheney credit for anything? There is no way on god's green earth he will ever make up for even a fraction of the damage he's caused in this world. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of bones to pick with the congress too, but their crimes have been mainly of negligence… and a certain amount of spinelessness. If there is a reckoning in the hereafter (which I confess to having grave doubts about – even though it would be nice) then Dicky boy will have some explaining to do…

]]> By: jeff_pickens http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167701 jeff_pickens Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:45:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167701 I would add that I recall this time being a highly political one: those who might oppose the flow of things were quickly labeled "unpatriotic" or worse. It became a Michelle Malkin/Rush Limbaugh mentality of "you're with us or you're with those loser Democrats who are ready to throw in the flag and who coddle terrorists..." Hardly an environment fostering independent thought and rational debate. <br><br>I hate the wrongs that were perpetrated in the name of "protecting America" and those who were demonizing Americans who had the audacity to ask the question: torture? illegal wiretaps? checks and balances, anyone? I would add that I recall this time being a highly political one: those who might oppose the flow of things were quickly labeled “unpatriotic” or worse. It became a Michelle Malkin/Rush Limbaugh mentality of “you're with us or you're with those loser Democrats who are ready to throw in the flag and who coddle terrorists…” Hardly an environment fostering independent thought and rational debate.

I hate the wrongs that were perpetrated in the name of “protecting America” and those who were demonizing Americans who had the audacity to ask the question: torture? illegal wiretaps? checks and balances, anyone?

]]> By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/comment-page-1/#comment-167694 kritt11 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:45:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/25179/cheney-is-correct-almost/#comment-167694 The problem here is that Bush is no Lincoln and Cheney is no Roosevelt. The GWOT is not similar to the Civil War or to WWII, because there was no draft, no national effort to defeat the enemy --no request for shared sacrifice. Instead, we were told to go shopping. And Bush/Cheney not only started an unnecessary war in Iraq so that they could implement the Unitary executive, they were totally dismissive of the other branches as well as public opinion. Imo, that is inexcusable arrogance. In the meantime, the perpetrator of 9/11 remains at large and al queda is still actively training and recruiting in Pakistan.<br><br> FDR was able to lead successfully because he offered hope in terrible times- while Bush/Cheney threatened us with fear in good times. They were incredibly inept wartime leaders-- amazingly enough Cheney still is praising Rumsfeld's performance, even though the tide only turned in Iraq once he was fired. The problem here is that Bush is no Lincoln and Cheney is no Roosevelt. The GWOT is not similar to the Civil War or to WWII, because there was no draft, no national effort to defeat the enemy –no request for shared sacrifice. Instead, we were told to go shopping. And Bush/Cheney not only started an unnecessary war in Iraq so that they could implement the Unitary executive, they were totally dismissive of the other branches as well as public opinion. Imo, that is inexcusable arrogance. In the meantime, the perpetrator of 9/11 remains at large and al queda is still actively training and recruiting in Pakistan.

FDR was able to lead successfully because he offered hope in terrible times- while Bush/Cheney threatened us with fear in good times. They were incredibly inept wartime leaders– amazingly enough Cheney still is praising Rumsfeld's performance, even though the tide only turned in Iraq once he was fired.

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