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	<title>Comments on: Big Three Automaker CEOs Beg Congress For More Money Again</title>
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		<title>By: The 7 worst ways to rescue Detroit &#124; Simple Processing Solutions</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 7 worst ways to rescue Detroit &#124; Simple Processing Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most likely outcome: Limited or no success this time. But some kind of limited success once the new Congress takes over — assuming that President-Elect Barack Obama continues to talk about the need to do something and the need for a serious plan from the CEOs.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;???&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unless they&#039;re bluffing or lying again, GM and Chrysler may file for bankruptcy before the new Congress (and Obama) takes over.  Admittedly a more serious (and believeable) plan from the CEOs (and the UAW, which was omitted strangely, above) -- actually, separate plans, given they are separate companies in different situations, even with the same general failed, decades-obsolete business and labor model -- would be in order, but what does that mean?  Surely not the foolish substitution of politics in place of soundness, as in the case of environmentalists&#039; demands.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any bailout is likely to be motivated at this point by concern about job loss, which itself has been hyped by Detroit and its defenders and hasn&#039;t elicited much sympathy from the public, not only because of the arrogant and obsolete nature of Detroit but also because of its so-much-smaller market share now than the 1950s and 1960s from which some defenders appear to view Detroit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most likely outcome: Limited or no success this time. But some kind of limited success once the new Congress takes over — assuming that President-Elect Barack Obama continues to talk about the need to do something and the need for a serious plan from the CEOs.&#8221;</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Unless they&#39;re bluffing or lying again, GM and Chrysler may file for bankruptcy before the new Congress (and Obama) takes over.  Admittedly a more serious (and believeable) plan from the CEOs (and the UAW, which was omitted strangely, above) &#8212; actually, separate plans, given they are separate companies in different situations, even with the same general failed, decades-obsolete business and labor model &#8212; would be in order, but what does that mean?  Surely not the foolish substitution of politics in place of soundness, as in the case of environmentalists&#39; demands.</p>
<p>Any bailout is likely to be motivated at this point by concern about job loss, which itself has been hyped by Detroit and its defenders and hasn&#39;t elicited much sympathy from the public, not only because of the arrogant and obsolete nature of Detroit but also because of its so-much-smaller market share now than the 1950s and 1960s from which some defenders appear to view Detroit.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current debate (the thread&#039;s title is actually a question, not a statement)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-237-say-bye-bye-to-bailout/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bailout hearing progress -- live blogs, plenty of comments (esp. the N.Y. Times)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/12/04/live-blogging-the-big-threes-bid-for-a-bailout/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/12/04/live-blog...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/12/auto_bailout_he.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/arch...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/live-blog-the-automakers-plead/?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/liv...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current debate (the thread&#39;s title is actually a question, not a statement)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-237-say-bye-bye-to-bailout/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-&#8230;</a></p>
<p>The bailout hearing progress &#8212; live blogs, plenty of comments (esp. the N.Y. Times)</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/12/04/live-blogging-the-big-threes-bid-for-a-bailout/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/12/04/live-blog&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/12/auto_bailout_he.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/arch&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/live-blog-the-automakers-plead/?hp" rel="nofollow">http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/liv&#8230;</a></p>
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