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Reflections on the Sarah Palin Turkey Video

From Aaron Kagan via Ezra Klein:OmnivoresDilemma.jpg

It’s hard to say what’s worse: the fact that a would be vice president could be so oblivious to her surroundings, or the fact that Americans were so alarmed to see that turkeys have to be killed in order for us to eat them. By total coincidence and thanks in large part to youtube [link for the 2 of you who haven't seen it], we’ve all been granted access to the metaphoric glass abattoir that Michael Pollan describes in The Omnivore’s Dilemma.

The attention garnered by this incident is yet further proof that we are disconnected from our food. If Palin had been standing in front of a nicely browned and stuffed bird with those little frilly things on its drumsticks, there would have been no controversy.

Here’s the pertinent passage from page 332 of Pollan’s Omnivore’s Dilemma:

Sometimes I think that all it would take to clarify our feelings about eating meat, and in the process begin to redeem animal agriculture, would be to simply pass a law requiring all the sheet-metal walls of all the CAFOs [concentrated animal feeding operation], and even the concrete walls of the slaughterhouses, to be replaced with glass. If there’s any new right we need to establish, maybe this is the one: The right, I mean, to look. … The industrialization-and brutalization-of animals in America is a relatively new, evitable, and local phenomenon: No other country raises and slaughters its food animals quite as intensively or as brutally as we do. No other people in history has lived at quite so great a remove from the animals they eat. Were the walls of our meat industry to become transparent, literally or even figuratively, we would not long continue to raise, kill, and eat animals the way we do.

And for those of you more willing to explore the topic, here’s video of chef Jamie Oliver electrocuting a chicken. He then tells the visibly shocked audience, “As far as killing anything’s concerned, it’s never nice. I was trained to do it, I don’t feel particularly good about this. But, I eat chickens, and I’m a chef.”

I eat chickens, and I’m not. But I’d be a lot happier about it if we treated animals humanely. I also eat meat; that I’m lucky enough to buy from a local who raises cattle. I am friendly with the owner of the abattoir I frequent. I’ll be meeting Michael Pollan at the Georgia Organics conference.

LATER: A NYTimes Live Thanksgiving Blog reader asked what Michael Pollan is going to have for Thanksgiving. He wrote in with this answer:

“My mom is cooking, though I’m doing the Brussels sprouts — the ones where you cut them and half and caramelize them, with pignolis. Mom’s making a (local) turkey with cornbread stuffing, spinach gratin, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes with garlic and oil, and turnip puree. For dessert: pecan and chocolate pie. She’s an amazing cook and this is my favorite meal of the year, closely followed by the leftover lunch the next day.

Have a good holiday. A shame you have to work at all.”

  • DLS
    Joe. Joe, Joe ... [burying face in hands]

    Pollan brings with him so much crappy political baggage and nonsense...

    New Agey vegeterian and vegan books (or contemporary books that discuss "plant-based" diet and foods, to use new lingo) with their often-requisite ethics-and-morality chapter(s) would be much better.

    This guy isn't describing things people haven't known for ages, Joe. Please try to realize that, in addition to intelligently fearing the wackiness if people like him got his way in government policy. (Fortunately for civilization, not merely the USA, it is highly unlikely.) Hell, while in an _art_ class in college one film we all got to watch was a film about slaughterhouses and slaughtering techniques. (We also got to see a childbirth film, by the way, a film created for and aimed at a poor, rural audience that was meant to be shown by midwives.)

    There's nothing new here -- any hype over any Amazing Discovery! about this is like one Californian earlier in this decade or late in the last one (adding to the degree of insult, as I was a Californian asset who left on my own earlier, and knew about what someone else Discovered and wanted to make a Big Deal about), who relocated to Eugene, Oregon, and then, in the late 1990s or early to mid 2000s, Discovered (with capital D) the late Steve Prefontaine.

    NEWS FLASH: What's reported here has been known for decades.

    If you're really enamored of the guy, and you think he may have something good to tell you (in addition to enjoying getting to meet the guy for real), by all means have fun. It's like you and tech for tech's sake:


    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/volt-center-st...


    Just try to put, then keep, everything in perspective.

    And yes, I admit meeting this guy would probably be more interesting than "having to face" Newt Gingrich in Athens, you poor bastard in the latter case. (If you go to Athens, anyway. try a real-world exercise. Try to see what younger female is with Gingrich, and learn if it's his third wife or if he's already going after Number Four in advance of Number Three's serious illness.) Just put it into perspective. Maybe start reading older vegetarian books. Hint: you're missing much of life if you ignore books for just the Net (and Kindle is a gimmick!). Take it from a voracious non-fiction reader whose two trucks have been modified to haul his nearly-100 boxes of books -- used book stores are gold mines. It's "local, small" business worth supporting, without having to be political about it, just ... motivated. Go read some vegetarian books and animal rights books, maybe older movies or TV series and books about slaughterhose exposes if you are up to it.

    Happy turkey (meat) day.
  • DLS
    Actually, Joe, it's still tardy, but with the chicken electrocution demo, you do re-touch the dealth penalty controversy in modern society.
  • AustinRoth
    You know, a lot more Americans are very aware how food processing occurs than the pansy brigade thinks.
  • StockBoySF
    I agree with AustinRoth that Americans are aware of food processing. But I also agree with Joe that we are disconnected from the way our food is killed. I know I like my meat but I don't want to kill it personally. One of the important points Joe is making (at least I think he is making) is that the slaughter of animals in this country is unnecessarily cruel.

    As far as the video of Palin with the turkeys being slaughtered in the background.... that's not something I would prefer to watch, especially after one turkey is pardoned. It seems to just highlight the absurdity of turkey pardons..... The video of turkeys being killed cheapens and relegates to the irrelevant pile the whole idea behind the turkey pardon story anyway. I understand where my food comes from (and as a kid having spent summers in rural Alabama I know lots of hunters... and our neighbors had a slaughter plant... which was very interesting, including two small blood red "ponds" (I'm sure there's some official word for them, but it escapes me) where the waste was dumped.... (How's that for gruesome?) But I really would rather not be reminded about where my food comes from so graphically when I watch the news.

    What's interesting is that Americans seem to have an insatiable appetite for violence on TV and video games. I guess it is to Americans' credit that they can separate violent fiction from violent reality. But obviously some people are more inured to this sort of violence than others. But we should at least be less cruel when we kill animals. And we should certainly not run them down with helicopters, running them to the point of exhaustion. I still can't get that image (and that cruelty) out of my mind. Hunting is a sport which I understand (though I don't care for it myself, though I would never make it illegal). But running animals down in helicopters ragged is just plain cruel.
  • Lit3Bolt
    I agree with DLS and AustinRoth...people are usually horrified or disgusted by the slaughter of animals, but if "humane treatment"="higher meat prices" then people will be willing to put up with cruelty for convenience. People for humane slaughter should be commended for trying to work the free market (with their unique brand of advertising), but the entire organic movement strikes me as a little silly.
  • DLS
    The idiotic hype about the Palin scene was just a bunch of loser POSes lunging at another handy excuse to bash anyone, in any way, who doesn't conform rigidly, mechanically, amorally, and stupidly to the Party Line. Never mind that depictions of Palin or Huckabee (as we've seen with at least one scummy waste-spewing example on this Web site) or others remain intellectually as well as logically and morally superior to what is going on, on the lefty side of things. No, the West's food industry (the _inhibition_ of which in the developing nations is the _real_ misdeed) is not intrinsically evil. No, we do _not_ "need" some mental-and-otherwise-"challenged" leftist elite telling us what we should or should not do, and if "permitting" us to violate their rules, be "punished" for violating them. Arrgh.

    Stockster, what's noteworthy about teevee violence and more is how the Left's principal idiots and hypocrites prattle about this or that wrongdoing, but then cynically exploit base instincts and emotions and throw mindless programming at us that features all kinds of violence, including innumerable gun crimes. That never has gone unnoticed, over decades.
  • DLS
    The all-too-common irony is, many of us, because we have friends who are _honest_ and _consistent_ animal-rights activists who practice what they preach, or who avoid or reduce meat consumption anyway because we're either older or because of health reasons, have diverged more from the idiotic as well as dishonest stereotype of "conventional" people (not PC-adherent, rigidly) than they realize, much less that some of us go beyond what these chumps can grasp, such as that MEAT IS A PREMIUM FOOD and everyone wants it, but it's what's a stretch for everyone even now in developed nations, much less how it still is in developing nations and how it will be everywhere in the years to come (and what it continues to mean for un-PC desires) ... Of course, that's really not surprising, given these people's heads aren't exposed to the atmosphere.
  • Lynx
    This little episode actually managed to do something the campaigned failed to: make me feel sorry for Palin. Ok yes I see where it could be considered funny to be seen in front of Turkeys being slaughtered just after pardoning one, but the sheer unhealthy fascination with the video seems a tad much. Where the hell do you think your turkeys come from anyway? The lady was doing a silly little holiday ceremony. It. Is. Not. Important.

    As for the issue of seeing food, I agree with that. I fall into the only slightly guilty meat eater category. I don't really feel terrible about eating meat per se, but I do feel very uncomfortable with the idea of mistreated and cramped animals being miserable their whole lives before their death. To what extent I can I try to eat foods that reflect that (free range chickens etc.). It's a very good deal all in all. It's more expensive, which forces you to eat less meat, which is good for your health anyway. I don't object to either omnivorous or vegetarian diets (though I do believe that it is not permissible to subject a growing child to veganism because of the health risks), but I do think we would benefit from a closer acquaintance with the food we eat, not just the killing part but also the raising part.
  • JWindish
    DLS... what's that link about?
  • JWindish
    DLS... if I'm not mistaken that childbirth film you saw was All My Babies, by George Stoney, who is a friend and mentor of mine. At 91 he's working on another film that brings some of the babies that midwife birthed together. I shot some of it with him in Albany, Georgia, last summer.

    I grew up across the street from a chicken farm and in my life and experience the lives of chickens -- and the slaughtering methods -- have dramatically changed. I waited tables in some of NY's finest restaurants in the late 70s and 80s. We like to see into restaurant kitchens because we know what goes on in there. Opening up the kitchen is a sign of trust. We like windows into the prep areas of supermarkets. The people I know are not aware of CAFOs. The one who lived near one in TX is now a vegetarian. So long as we're swapping links, here's one for you:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1284...

    Elsewhere I've acknowledged Pollan's airy-fairy culinary flourishes, but you know what? We need people who outline the extremes so we can find the comfortable middle. Those on his side are a distinct minority today. We can afford and would benefit from moving a ways in his direction.
  • JSpencer
    People who eat meat would ideally be required to know how the animal they eat is raised and how it is dispatched. I agree that too many people are disconnected from the process by which they get their burgers, thier chicken wings, and their BBQ. Choosing to remain ignorant about unnecessary cruelty done to food animals diminishes one's humanity. The creatures that end up on our plates deserve to be treated with respect, meaning a reasonable quality of life and a quick, humane end to it. This according of respect, or lack of it, directily reflects our own values and our own worth.
  • DLS
    Howdy, Joe -- the link is to a story about the GM Volt's center stack. The GM Volt is the next-prototype electric vehicle by GM (just like the EV-1; a $40,000 vehicle with limited range is _not_ what most people would accept with a straight face as a serious production vehicle).

    I know you like tech to the point of "tech for tech's sake" sometimes, so I thought I'd provide that. It may be more pleasant than contemplating animal slaughter, say, or meeting Newt Gingrich in person.
  • DLS
    Joe,

    Was the film aimed at rural midwives, particularly in the South, so it used rural Southern dialect of that time (probably early post-World-War-II; it was a black-and-white film), with heavy rural dialect? (Aimed at Southern blacks as well as whites)

    P.S. In addition to the humaneness, while the environmentalists and the activists have tained things, do we really want food filled with garbage and chemicals, not only preservatives and appearance enhancers (or concealment means) but antibiotics and _hormones_?
  • DLS
    "airy-fairy culinary flourishes"

    Don't forget that many of us are capable of all kinds of sophistication but come to prefer simplicity as we get older, as a form of evolution. (No fair accusing us of Scrooginess just because we may also become more cynical and jaded with experience at the same time!)
  • JWindish
    DLS... I was away for the weekend so missed your comments earlier. On the film, it was made in 1953 and funded by the Georgia Department of Health. Because African American women were not being seen by doctors the infant mortality rate was high and the film was a means to remedy that. But it was picked up and used worldwide. There were no other films like it, it's in the Smithsonian and part of the collection at the Museum of Modern Art, so I think it is likely the same film you saw.

    Thanks for the Volt link; you're right about my tech taste.

    Finally, I'm guessing you don't watch Bill Moyers' Journal -- his guest last Friday? Michael Pollan. I am still tempted to quote him from it on the topic of the department of agriculture. That "airy-fairy" reference (which I have now used twice) is lifted from a Slate Book Club discussion of The Omnivore's Dilemma. The left-leaning group deemed Pollan over the top. I honestly find here in Goergia foodies on the left and the right. Georgia Public Broadcasting preempted Moyers so I had to watch the interview on the web. You can, too, here.
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