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	<title>Comments on: Gates As Obama Defense Chief: Another Centrist Obama Administration Sign</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa_O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa_O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can hardly be good news for the Beatle-coiffed Blagojevich, since it strongly suggests that Harris may be ready to cut a deal with U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, much in the way that the chief of staff to “Blago’s” predecessor George Ryan, several years ago, provided the testimony that helped Ryan and several others to jail.&lt;br&gt;At this point, the Blagojevich affair is still unfolding, with more and more questions being raised about the relationship of Rev. Jesse Jackson’s sons to the embattled governor.  There’s also the matter of the officeholder’s ill-defined (at this point) contacts with some of President-elect Obama’s associates, though America has been repeatedly assured that the President-elect himself has not been tied to any wrongdoing….but let’s save that for my post next week, “Is Obama The New Truman?” &lt;br&gt;Click to read more on Blagojevich courtesy of Personal Money Store&#039;s &lt;a title=&quot;Read more about Rod Blagojevich Payday Office&quot; rev=&quot;vote-for&quot; href=&quot;http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2008/12/09/rod-blagojevich-payday-office/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Payday Loan News&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can hardly be good news for the Beatle-coiffed Blagojevich, since it strongly suggests that Harris may be ready to cut a deal with U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, much in the way that the chief of staff to “Blago’s” predecessor George Ryan, several years ago, provided the testimony that helped Ryan and several others to jail.<br />At this point, the Blagojevich affair is still unfolding, with more and more questions being raised about the relationship of Rev. Jesse Jackson’s sons to the embattled governor.  There’s also the matter of the officeholder’s ill-defined (at this point) contacts with some of President-elect Obama’s associates, though America has been repeatedly assured that the President-elect himself has not been tied to any wrongdoing….but let’s save that for my post next week, “Is Obama The New Truman?” <br />Click to read more on Blagojevich courtesy of Personal Money Store&#39;s <a title="Read more about Rod Blagojevich Payday Office" rev="vote-for" href="http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2008/12/09/rod-blagojevich-payday-office/" rel="nofollow">Payday Loan News</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff_pickens</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff_pickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the argument and understand that would be the conventional wisdom in &quot;keeping on&quot; someone who&#039;s already &quot;plugged in.&quot;  And admittedly he’s been Plugged In to many different capacities within several administrations.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m just looking for some objective, bullet-point examples of what Gates has done in his current role that has been different from just &quot;being there&quot; in the capacity of Department of Defense--something that distinguishes him fundamentally or even radically from the Rumsfeld years--those objective changes that we should all be &quot;thankful for&quot; that justify overlooking some of the other suggested replacements for his position.  I do remember he fired some generals.  In the end it may be just simply he’s the best qualified currently.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of the blogs that Joe quotes seem to suggest that Obama can’t get rid of him soon enough, and others that he’s just a peachy guy that needs to stay, even to the point that Michelle Malkin makes as a “told you so, stay the course” thing, if that has any merit.  Is there some objectivity in both of these views?  Most of those blogs that affirm Gates say something like “look this is what he really wants to do, so maybe in an Obama administration he’ll be able to do them!”  Really?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, here in Texas he has almost cult status as being a &quot;good guy,&quot; (which I would agree to a large degree, his integrity seems impeccable--… I attended Texas A&amp;M University so I have that alma mater urge to be happy he&#039;s there--) and things like &quot;insight&quot; and &quot;credibility&quot; and being willing to be a political scapegoat or be an “axe man” should Obama have to &quot;get tough&quot; seem to me to be just as gossipy or ethereal.  Again I ask out of curiosity to learn, and not out of spite or the inability to think, think, think.  He&#039;s been there awhile, what distinguishes him besides having &quot;been there awhile?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To at least a philosophical degree, to suggest that Gates should be kept on because he&#039;s experienced, or has some privileged insight would be a good argument that Obama shouldn&#039;t replace anyone experienced or with particular insight in the present administration.  …just looking for some meat to chew on.  I have to confess that I voted for change, and I meant primarily in our present Iraq occupation.  Also accountability and responsibility for torture, the absolute ineptness of Congress, the list goes on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Signing off for now, happy Thanksgiving everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the argument and understand that would be the conventional wisdom in &#8220;keeping on&#8221; someone who&#39;s already &#8220;plugged in.&#8221;  And admittedly he’s been Plugged In to many different capacities within several administrations.   </p>
<p>I&#39;m just looking for some objective, bullet-point examples of what Gates has done in his current role that has been different from just &#8220;being there&#8221; in the capacity of Department of Defense&#8211;something that distinguishes him fundamentally or even radically from the Rumsfeld years&#8211;those objective changes that we should all be &#8220;thankful for&#8221; that justify overlooking some of the other suggested replacements for his position.  I do remember he fired some generals.  In the end it may be just simply he’s the best qualified currently.</p>
<p>Some of the blogs that Joe quotes seem to suggest that Obama can’t get rid of him soon enough, and others that he’s just a peachy guy that needs to stay, even to the point that Michelle Malkin makes as a “told you so, stay the course” thing, if that has any merit.  Is there some objectivity in both of these views?  Most of those blogs that affirm Gates say something like “look this is what he really wants to do, so maybe in an Obama administration he’ll be able to do them!”  Really?  </p>
<p>Again, here in Texas he has almost cult status as being a &#8220;good guy,&#8221; (which I would agree to a large degree, his integrity seems impeccable&#8211;… I attended Texas A&#038;M University so I have that alma mater urge to be happy he&#39;s there&#8211;) and things like &#8220;insight&#8221; and &#8220;credibility&#8221; and being willing to be a political scapegoat or be an “axe man” should Obama have to &#8220;get tough&#8221; seem to me to be just as gossipy or ethereal.  Again I ask out of curiosity to learn, and not out of spite or the inability to think, think, think.  He&#39;s been there awhile, what distinguishes him besides having &#8220;been there awhile?&#8221;</p>
<p>To at least a philosophical degree, to suggest that Gates should be kept on because he&#39;s experienced, or has some privileged insight would be a good argument that Obama shouldn&#39;t replace anyone experienced or with particular insight in the present administration.  …just looking for some meat to chew on.  I have to confess that I voted for change, and I meant primarily in our present Iraq occupation.  Also accountability and responsibility for torture, the absolute ineptness of Congress, the list goes on.</p>
<p>Signing off for now, happy Thanksgiving everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Belmont Club &#187; Gates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belmont Club &#187; Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The man is a useful resource; most importantly, Obama will be the boss.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cuts, cuts, cuts that the Dems want, but cuts to Defense that make sense and don&#039;t threaten to mire the US in other problems elsewhere -- Gates is definitely useful as the ax man, given he already has been running Defense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;As for indicators of Obama&#039;s centrism in general, I&#039;ll reserve judgement on that&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He&#039;s assembling the best tools to exercise power; we remain to find out exactly how it will be exercised.  The left-wing Dems (and the &quot;progressives&quot; who were Obama&#039;s original hard-core supporters, as well as other explicit supporters such as the UAW) are aching to see &quot;progress,&quot; of a left-shifting kind.  The replacement of Dingell by Waxman in Congress wasn&#039;t just a Pelosi power exercise and a modernization move (younger Sun Belt replacement of older Snow Belt committee chair) but represents a positioning for &quot;progress&quot; by the left-wing Dems, if they can get moving eventually.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part of the problem is that the current economic problems constrain Obama&#039;s and the Dems&#039; ambition and force reorientation as well as redirection of effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t get me wrong; I&#039;m happy to see Volcker, the guy most associated with crushing inflation, lead the effort to try to forestall deflation, even though it means the lefties would then get to start getting more of what they want sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The man is a useful resource; most importantly, Obama will be the boss.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cuts, cuts, cuts that the Dems want, but cuts to Defense that make sense and don&#39;t threaten to mire the US in other problems elsewhere &#8212; Gates is definitely useful as the ax man, given he already has been running Defense.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for indicators of Obama&#39;s centrism in general, I&#39;ll reserve judgement on that&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#39;s assembling the best tools to exercise power; we remain to find out exactly how it will be exercised.  The left-wing Dems (and the &#8220;progressives&#8221; who were Obama&#39;s original hard-core supporters, as well as other explicit supporters such as the UAW) are aching to see &#8220;progress,&#8221; of a left-shifting kind.  The replacement of Dingell by Waxman in Congress wasn&#39;t just a Pelosi power exercise and a modernization move (younger Sun Belt replacement of older Snow Belt committee chair) but represents a positioning for &#8220;progress&#8221; by the left-wing Dems, if they can get moving eventually.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that the current economic problems constrain Obama&#39;s and the Dems&#39; ambition and force reorientation as well as redirection of effort.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t get me wrong; I&#39;m happy to see Volcker, the guy most associated with crushing inflation, lead the effort to try to forestall deflation, even though it means the lefties would then get to start getting more of what they want sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think, think, think, please.  Rather than be gossipy or ethereal politically about what&#039;s going on, consider that Gates not only gives the Obama team insight into the most recent decision making about the war efforts, but he also provides insight into what&#039;s going on in the Pentagon, and he&#039;ll lend credibility as well as do much of the dirty work rather than Obama himself when it comes time to reduce defense expenditures, and revise or cancel some of the bigger programs that make defense procurement and expenditures unsustainable.  He can be the ax man, providing a credible set of hands holding the ax, when Obama makes the tougher calls.  (It&#039;s not just the loonier crowd like Barney Frank&#039;s arbitrary demand for a 25 per cent defense reduction who wants defense reduced.  Dems overall of course will want to gut and loot Defense to pay for other favored things, and there is real fat that can be removed from Defense.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gates already knows more than any new person likely to be brought onto Obama&#039;s team (particularly a liberal or Democrat) about what really can be cut from Defense, in other words, as well as other reforms (long-term) that are overdue.  I look forward to &quot;rationalization.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think, think, think, please.  Rather than be gossipy or ethereal politically about what&#39;s going on, consider that Gates not only gives the Obama team insight into the most recent decision making about the war efforts, but he also provides insight into what&#39;s going on in the Pentagon, and he&#39;ll lend credibility as well as do much of the dirty work rather than Obama himself when it comes time to reduce defense expenditures, and revise or cancel some of the bigger programs that make defense procurement and expenditures unsustainable.  He can be the ax man, providing a credible set of hands holding the ax, when Obama makes the tougher calls.  (It&#39;s not just the loonier crowd like Barney Frank&#39;s arbitrary demand for a 25 per cent defense reduction who wants defense reduced.  Dems overall of course will want to gut and loot Defense to pay for other favored things, and there is real fat that can be removed from Defense.)</p>
<p>Gates already knows more than any new person likely to be brought onto Obama&#39;s team (particularly a liberal or Democrat) about what really can be cut from Defense, in other words, as well as other reforms (long-term) that are overdue.  I look forward to &#8220;rationalization.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jeff_pickens</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff_pickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d love it if you&#039;d be able/willing to summarize exactly what Gates has thus far done within the Bush administration, both the concessions and the adversary roles.  As far as daily newspaper reads, I&#039;m really unable to see much difference in our situations in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last several months, except the reported Iraq withdrawal-timetable &quot;agreements&quot; that are being hammered out.  Also, some rumblings from Rumsfeld and others who concur that Afghanistan&#039;s issues won&#039;t be solved by another military surge.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From my viewpoint, Gates is somewhat worshiped here in Texas because of his affiliation with Texas A&amp;M University, perhaps the most devoted and supporting State University in regards to the administration of George W. Bush.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand that America is faced with a precarious situation with an ideological war and a challenged economy, but how does Gates figure in to anything more than political posturing?  As much as pundits either love or despite him, what exactly has he accomplished since Rumsfeld left?  I ask not in some condescending tone but out of genuine curiosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />I&#39;d love it if you&#39;d be able/willing to summarize exactly what Gates has thus far done within the Bush administration, both the concessions and the adversary roles.  As far as daily newspaper reads, I&#39;m really unable to see much difference in our situations in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last several months, except the reported Iraq withdrawal-timetable &#8220;agreements&#8221; that are being hammered out.  Also, some rumblings from Rumsfeld and others who concur that Afghanistan&#39;s issues won&#39;t be solved by another military surge.  </p>
<p>From my viewpoint, Gates is somewhat worshiped here in Texas because of his affiliation with Texas A&#038;M University, perhaps the most devoted and supporting State University in regards to the administration of George W. Bush.  </p>
<p>I understand that America is faced with a precarious situation with an ideological war and a challenged economy, but how does Gates figure in to anything more than political posturing?  As much as pundits either love or despite him, what exactly has he accomplished since Rumsfeld left?  I ask not in some condescending tone but out of genuine curiosity.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe with my whole being, heart, and soul that Obama is striving to gather the best of the best for the crises we are in, as well as what may lie ahead. He has surrounded himself with a wise and diligent transition team, weighing pros and cons of what or who is best for our country. Gates will not hold back in his assessments to Obama. His voice will be strong one but there will be other strong voices that will be added to his. In the end, it is Obama&#039;s voice that will be heard. I believe that Hillary was a wise choice. She is a go-getter, loyal to our country, and she will be loyal to Obama regardless of her own opinions. I am quite sure that she and Obama will have many heartfelt discussions.  :)  Only time will tell whether Obama can orchestrate his band, and get the  harmony and results he envisions. I am praying that his labor not be in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe with my whole being, heart, and soul that Obama is striving to gather the best of the best for the crises we are in, as well as what may lie ahead. He has surrounded himself with a wise and diligent transition team, weighing pros and cons of what or who is best for our country. Gates will not hold back in his assessments to Obama. His voice will be strong one but there will be other strong voices that will be added to his. In the end, it is Obama&#39;s voice that will be heard. I believe that Hillary was a wise choice. She is a go-getter, loyal to our country, and she will be loyal to Obama regardless of her own opinions. I am quite sure that she and Obama will have many heartfelt discussions.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Only time will tell whether Obama can orchestrate his band, and get the  harmony and results he envisions. I am praying that his labor not be in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik : DC Physics</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik : DC Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not particularly worried about Gates staying on. The man is a useful resource; most importantly, Obama will be the boss. As for indicators of Obama&#039;s centrism in general, I&#039;ll reserve judgement on that; I&#039;m more concerned about results than appearances, and the results remain to be seen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not particularly worried about Gates staying on. The man is a useful resource; most importantly, Obama will be the boss. As for indicators of Obama&#39;s centrism in general, I&#39;ll reserve judgement on that; I&#39;m more concerned about results than appearances, and the results remain to be seen&#8230;</p>
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