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What Awaits The New President “Over There”

David Schraub’s “Leave the land so we won’t rape you,” quoting a female Egyptian “human rights” attorney, who made that statement “in the course of urging Arab men to, at the very least, sexually harass Israeli women as part of their “resistance” to Zionism,” prompted me to go back to the Sunday Opinion section of my New York Times today.

I had read similarly outrageous comments by some Pakistani officials in a Nicholas Kristof column.

In his “The Pakistan Test,” Kristof bemoans the depressing political, military, and social situation and conditions in Pakistan, a country where “the United States has squandered more than $10 billion…since 9/11, and Pakistani intelligence agencies seem to have rerouted some of that to Taliban extremists.”

Kristof also addresses the difficult situation that Obama will inherit when he takes office and gives “several useful steps that we in the West can take to reduce the risk of the region turning into the next Somalia.”

But, getting back to the outrageous comments, the following words attributed to two of President Ali Zardari’s new cabinet members truly disgusted me. According to Kristof:

One new cabinet member, Israr Ullah Zehri, defended the torture-murder of five women and girls who were buried alive (three girls wanted to choose their own husbands, and two women tried to protect them). “These are centuries-old traditions, and I will continue to defend them,” Mr. Zehri said of the practice of burying independent-minded girls alive.

Then there is Pakistan’s new education minister, Mir Hazar Khan Bijarani. Last year, the Supreme Court ordered him arrested for allegedly heading a local council that decided to solve a feud by taking five little girls and marrying them to men in an enemy clan. The girls were between the ages of 2 and 5, according to Samar Minallah, a Pakistani anthropologist who investigated the case (Mr. Bijarani has denied involvement).

Reading about such inhumanities must undoubtedly make people ask the question, “What in heaven’s name are we doing there?” (I know, “if we don’t fight them over there, we’ll have to fight them over here.” But isn’t there a better way of doing this?)

And talking about “over there,” in Iraq and Afghanistan, the same edition of the New York Times carries an excellent set of Op-Ed articles, “by experts on the most formidable issues facing the new president” in Iraq and Afghanistan. My own description would have been, “on the mess that Obama is inheriting from his predecessor.”

The set of articles is called “Transitions” and includes the following (I will use The Times’ own words to describe them.) Please read them, they are well worth an hour or so of your time, and your emotions.

The Little Battles We Must Win
By LINDA ROBINSON
Special Forces and American civilians have much to do in Iraq.

A Wartime Presidency, On Two Fronts
By ANTHONY H. CORDESMAN
Iraq isn’t over, and Afghanistan is going to be even tougher.

How to Leave Iraq, Intact
By PETER MANSOOR
A slow withdrawal and a sizable force after 2012.

The ‘Good War’ Isn’t Worth Fighting
By RORY STEWART
The West’s lofty goals will only set Afghanistan back.

Out of Conflict, a Partnership
By FREDERICK W. KAGAN
As Iraq becomes more independent, it will still share America’s goals.

One Surge Does Not Fit All
By DONALD H. RUMSFELD
Afghanistan — huge, poor and rural — calls for a new strategy.

Thanks, But You Can Go Now
By AHMAD CHALABI
An idealistic invasion has turned into an intolerable occupation.

  • StockBoySF
    Yes, Dorian, I agree with you... those comments are outrageous (and I saw the Kristof column). However we walk a very tight rope when we start applying our morals to other cultures. It's the meddling the Christian right in this country does into other people's business that is a big cause of problems in this country. Now don't get me wrong, I find those statements and behavior totally abhorrent and all I'm saying is that we must be careful in our approach to it. After all people in the US marry young girls, the KKK is alive and kicking, our government tortures, the Christian right wants to turn our great country into a theocracy.... so Americans can hardly act outraged at what some cultures find acceptable. Personally I'd like to get our own house in order. Our goal should be to lead by example. How can we expect other governments to change their human rights violations when we won't even change ours?

    Perhaps the UN can investigate the human rights abuses like burying those innocent girls alive, though I think the UN should start by investigating the US's own torture policies and deeds.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    You are correct, SB, it's difficult to criticize others when we have our own "issues." But, at the same time, when there are obvious and abhorrent violations of human rights (tradition-or-not), it is very difficult to look the other way, and that's exactly what we do when we condone such behavior because "of the greater national/strategic objectives."

    On the other hand, I totally reject "installing" democracies and our own morals at the barrel of a gun, as we seem to have been trying to do during the last eight years--with disastrous results.

    We could do it, as you say, by leading by example, education, medical and financial help where it can do the most good. And yes, we must fight terrorism, but, as I said, "...isn’t there a better way of doing this?"
  • Oh, boy. Ahmed and Rummy are back from the Netherworld. Look what happened before, when we took their advice! Are they really the most credible sources the Times could dig up?
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