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	<title>Comments on: Of Endings and Beginnings and Bailouts</title>
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		<title>By: BarkyBree</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24554/of-endings-and-beginnings-and-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-165198</link>
		<dc:creator>BarkyBree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a serious problem with any government spending being used to prop up a dying industry, even if that industry supports 3 million jobs. If the government does that, then we&#039;ll be perpetually supporting dead weight and not looking towards the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This theme exists within the car companies themselves. They&#039;ve given so many guaranteed benefits to retirees that they can&#039;t invest in their future, hence they&#039;re dying. We shouldn&#039;t do the same. These companies are weak and dying, and for us to spend billions or trillions propping them up isn&#039;t doing them, or us, any favors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That 3 million number is also dubious, for it assumes that all three will fail and none can recover from a bankruptcy. I don&#039;t find that realistic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, if there are regulations or laws or tax policies that drive businesses out of the country (and that certainly is the case), then that is something else indeed. But directly funding failing businesses isn&#039;t smart, it&#039;s socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a serious problem with any government spending being used to prop up a dying industry, even if that industry supports 3 million jobs. If the government does that, then we&#39;ll be perpetually supporting dead weight and not looking towards the future.</p>
<p>This theme exists within the car companies themselves. They&#39;ve given so many guaranteed benefits to retirees that they can&#39;t invest in their future, hence they&#39;re dying. We shouldn&#39;t do the same. These companies are weak and dying, and for us to spend billions or trillions propping them up isn&#39;t doing them, or us, any favors.</p>
<p>That 3 million number is also dubious, for it assumes that all three will fail and none can recover from a bankruptcy. I don&#39;t find that realistic.</p>
<p>Now, if there are regulations or laws or tax policies that drive businesses out of the country (and that certainly is the case), then that is something else indeed. But directly funding failing businesses isn&#39;t smart, it&#39;s socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24554/of-endings-and-beginnings-and-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-165183</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve given up leadership in virtually ALL manufacturing industries. To do otherwise has been derided as &quot;protectionism&quot; for 30 years, and is to this day. If a sweatshop with no environmental controls can make it cheaper, the American way is to let them do it. &quot;Free market capitalism&quot; has become a mantra that excuses our sacrificing American jobs and entire industries to cheaper (for now) imports. If we continue to follow that mantra, we should let automakers and every other American enterprise sink or swim in the global economic pool.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But in fact, we need to rethink the value of jobs and self-reliance in manufacturing. We might just need our own textile industry, shoe makers, electronic companies and yes, automakers. Opinionated as I always am, though, I don&#039;t know whether bailing out automakers is a good idea or will even work. But if we do, I&#039;d like to see some pretty heavy controls on executive compensation and management arrogance. The days of using marketing muscle to cram gas guzzlers down our throats better be over. We NEED a super efficient fleet and serious R&amp;D toward non petroleum options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;ve given up leadership in virtually ALL manufacturing industries. To do otherwise has been derided as &#8220;protectionism&#8221; for 30 years, and is to this day. If a sweatshop with no environmental controls can make it cheaper, the American way is to let them do it. &#8220;Free market capitalism&#8221; has become a mantra that excuses our sacrificing American jobs and entire industries to cheaper (for now) imports. If we continue to follow that mantra, we should let automakers and every other American enterprise sink or swim in the global economic pool.</p>
<p>But in fact, we need to rethink the value of jobs and self-reliance in manufacturing. We might just need our own textile industry, shoe makers, electronic companies and yes, automakers. Opinionated as I always am, though, I don&#39;t know whether bailing out automakers is a good idea or will even work. But if we do, I&#39;d like to see some pretty heavy controls on executive compensation and management arrogance. The days of using marketing muscle to cram gas guzzlers down our throats better be over. We NEED a super efficient fleet and serious R&#038;D toward non petroleum options.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_Schuler</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24554/of-endings-and-beginnings-and-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-165172</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave_Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Computer memories are just as strategic a commodity as oil.  30 years ago most memories were produced here.  That fled our shores decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Computer memories are just as strategic a commodity as oil.  30 years ago most memories were produced here.  That fled our shores decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24554/of-endings-and-beginnings-and-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-165166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, some of those jobs are still going to be lost even under the plan that Obama has proposed. But at least he admits that we need to do something about the jobs that the &quot;free market&quot; isn&#039;t providing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, some of those jobs are still going to be lost even under the plan that Obama has proposed. But at least he admits that we need to do something about the jobs that the &#8220;free market&#8221; isn&#39;t providing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24554/of-endings-and-beginnings-and-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-165165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George is right. Estimates put 3 million jobs as being dependent on the auto industry. Imagine them going away on top of existing job losses. Sound high? Start with the factories themselves. Add in the parts suppliers. Then we move on to the businesses that move the parts and the completed cars. The dealerships with their sales people, office staff and repair people. Those are only the people directly affected. With that much purchasing power having vanished from the economy can you imagine the secondary effects on retail and restaurant business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George is right. Estimates put 3 million jobs as being dependent on the auto industry. Imagine them going away on top of existing job losses. Sound high? Start with the factories themselves. Add in the parts suppliers. Then we move on to the businesses that move the parts and the completed cars. The dealerships with their sales people, office staff and repair people. Those are only the people directly affected. With that much purchasing power having vanished from the economy can you imagine the secondary effects on retail and restaurant business?</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my understanding that the auto industry bailout is mainly a jobs program.  It&#039;s being pitched as some kind of national security issue in the hope that&#039;s more acceptable to taxpayers who make less money than autoworkers. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not an economist, but if I recall my history the hallmarks of the Great Depression were high unemployment coupled with deflation. More of one lead to more of the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s my understanding that the auto industry bailout is mainly a jobs program.  It&#39;s being pitched as some kind of national security issue in the hope that&#39;s more acceptable to taxpayers who make less money than autoworkers. </p>
<p>I am not an economist, but if I recall my history the hallmarks of the Great Depression were high unemployment coupled with deflation. More of one lead to more of the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, the IC manufacturers are in Asia because that is where the customers are - the companies that build the electronics that are sold is the US.  The semiconductor industry won&#039;t move back to the US until the electronic manufacturers do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, the IC manufacturers are in Asia because that is where the customers are &#8211; the companies that build the electronics that are sold is the US.  The semiconductor industry won&#39;t move back to the US until the electronic manufacturers do.</p>
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