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Some Observations On Blogs

Now that we are slowly moving past Election 2008, I thought I might offer a few thoughts on my experiences with some of the bigger blogs. While I am sure some of you would disagree I think that my self proclaimed status as a slightly center right moderate is reasonable. As a result I tend to find myself in disagreement with both right and left blogs.

Of course as someone who loves to debate and argue, this is not a bad thing, and it has given me some interesting insights into the various blogs out there. While I visited a number of sites during the campaign I will use two of the bigger ones to illustrate my experience.

On the right I have chosen Redstate.com

For the left I am using Daily Kos

As you might imagine I frequently found myself shaking my head at some of the political views being expressed on both sites but to be fair I seldom found myself disappointed with the quality of the writing or of the analysis of the writers. While some (well many) of the responses to the posts were best ignored the general quality of the writing was excellent.

In addition both sites were also quite informative and had some excellent lines into not only both Presidential campaigns but also into news and information in general. If you wanted to know what was going on in the Obama campaign or with the Democrats, Kos often could tell you and the same was true of Red State with the Republicans and McCain. They also offered wonderful analysis of voting and polling patterns that helped you get an insight into the campaign.

Now having said these positive things I have to be fair and offer some critiques. Both sites have shown a disturbing intolerance for the other point of view. It’s not that I expect Kos to advocate the policies of the Bush administration or for Red State to back Obama. But especially with the comments section there was a strong lack of tolerance for even allowing the opposing view.

Both sides are eager to ‘purge’ their side of any moderates, though Kos was a bit more tolerant of moderates in the aspect of cold political calculations. But Kos is also a bit more likely to see comments about ‘banning the Republicans’ or such views. I have no problem with a site advocating their own point of view but I take exception with open contempt for the other side.

While both sites were fairly even in the good and the bad when it came to what I was reading there was a distinct difference when it came to my participating in the debate. Obviously when I went to the sites I was normally expressing disagreement with the point of view of the writers and other commenters. As a result I did not really expect to get much agreement or to see anyone change sides.

The responses to my comments were divided between the reasonable but opposed and the outwardly hostile (IE using language that I can’t repeat here). In this aspect Red State did a bit better than Kos. I did not keep details statistics but I would say on RS that the respectful responses outnumbered the hostile by a 60-40 margin while on Kos it was probably the reverse.

I don’t think that these figures should be taken to much against the web sites though since you don’t really have too much control over what the people say and when the debate got too heated the moderators were quick on both sites to respond.

However, the degree of censorship from the sites themselves were strikingly different. Both sites required registration to post comments.

When it came to Red State I was able to use the same account for as long as I wanted, at least from the point of view of the web masters. I did have to change once or twice because of trolls but otherwise my comments were not limited by the site.

By contrast, I had to re-register on Kos so many times I lost count. Once you started expressing a view that was not in line with the views of the web masters you were banned. I find this a very disturbing attitude for a site that quite properly condemned the Bush administration for their overreaching civil liberties restrictions.

Indeed, it makes me more concerned with them when I read about ‘banning dissent’ from a site that has already made its own policy of doing so.

Overall both sites are excellent, but I would prefer to see both have a little more respect for all points of view.



7 Responses to “Some Observations On Blogs”

  1. ChenZhen says:

    I'm registered at both sites, and I've never really had a problem. Then again, I don't post there a whole lot anymore. But you should mention that DK has comment ratings and RS doesn't.

  2. Teeparty says:

    Patrick, I found this to be the case with individual people during the campaign. Whichever side a person came down on, they tended not to suffer their own perceived idiots.

  3. Manchester2 says:

    It was fun for a while to post some thoughtfully conservative things on DailyKos, but admittedly difficult to wade through many posts so rabidly leftist. Here on TMV, it's much less rabid, but my critique is that there are few intellectual conservative posters. Formerly, I had my own blog along this line, but found it too hard to maintain on a daily basis.

    P.S. — Who decided that the GOP is red, and the Dems are blue?

  4. RememberNovember says:

    I think Dr. Seuss devised that one- a la Star bellied Sneetches…seriously I don't know- it's a way for the media to polarize/quantify the country and oversimplify the issues of the day.

    There is an inherent bias towards the left hand of things- going back ages- the original heraldric term for a symbol pointing left is “sinister”. Lucifer sat at God's left hand purportedly- though if you are looking at this alleged “throne” you'd see Luc on the right, wouldn't you?

    There is also an inherent pack mentality on these blog sites that is condoned by anonymity.

    Found an interestig piece on the whole origin of the red state/blue state phenom:

    http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/1430/

  5. ICDogg says:

    On Daily Kos, you are not being banned by the moderators but by the trusted users. That is why it happens so quickly. By contrast on RedState you would be banned by moderators. Since I do not know what you posted I can't possibly judge whether it would have been more offensive to Daily Kos users or to RedState users, but both are unabashedly partisan blogs and not general debating sites.

  6. Patrick E says:

    Thanks for the comments and I stand corrected on Kos and how I was banned from posting. I actually went back and checked and I was tossed/banned/whatever you want to call it 4 times during the campaign.

    I notice with interest that someone on Kos started a thread on my post and unfortunately a number of the comments called me names for daring to question them. I welcome all of the friendly or civil comments that were also made but it seems I was not too far off from wrong.

    For those who wonder what kind of comments I made, they need only read my posts here. Most of the hostility came during the conventions when I said positive things about the McCain speech or suggested Obama/Biden/etc made some mistakes in their speeches.

    I would have posted this at Kos but I didn't want to give up the ability to post anonymously, though I will be once again trying to get posting rights there.

    I would also note the poster ignored the many kind things I said about the site, but I do understand you want to spark comments and positive usually does not inspire that.

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