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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pacatrue, I sent the email. Hopefully it gets to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pacatrue, I sent the email. Hopefully it gets to you.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24252/reading-gore-lizza-and-orourke/comment-page-1/#comment-163666</link>
		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, ricorun, great post as always. I actually had an idea I wanted to bounce off of you if you don&#039;t mind, but I can&#039;t see anyway to contact you other than through here. Would you mind emailing me? The email is my name, pacatrue, at yahoo. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, ricorun, great post as always. I actually had an idea I wanted to bounce off of you if you don&#39;t mind, but I can&#39;t see anyway to contact you other than through here. Would you mind emailing me? The email is my name, pacatrue, at yahoo. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/24252/reading-gore-lizza-and-orourke/comment-page-1/#comment-163653</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I would say Gore is being rather optimistic -- not to mention very incomplete. However, a couple of new studies were released today which indicate that he&#039;s not that wildly off -- in principle, anyway (and assuming a longer time-line). What they did was analyze what it will likely cost under various scenarios to maintain our electrical energy needs through 2030. A short discussion, with links to the studies &lt;a href=&quot;http://earth2tech.com/2008/11/10/a-reliable-green-grid-could-need-2-trillion/&quot;&gt;can be found here.&lt;/a&gt; According to the Brattle Group study, which is the more comprehensive of the two, maintaining our energy needs is likely to cost us at least $1.5 trillion through 2030, no matter what decisions are made with respect to AGW or energy efficiency. Interestingly though, that (cheapest) senario assumes that &quot;realistically attainable&quot; energy efficiency and demand reduction technologies are deployed, but carbon emission reductions are not pursued beyond present mandates. Doing nothing but what we&#039;re doing now would actually cost about $107 billion more. Alternatively, if we also wanted to reduce carbon emissions by 40% by that time it would cost about $400 billion more than that. And by the way, we&#039;re not talking federal money spent -- it&#039;s just total outlays, be they public or private.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing neither study did was analyze the effect of different scenarios on jobs. However, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/09/green_recovery.html&quot;&gt;this study&lt;/a&gt; suggests that a coordinated green recovery and infrastructure investment program would create several times the number of jobs than would be created by spending the same amount of money in fossil fuel industries. That of course means that the money spent would both enhance revenues by way of taxes, while also have ripples effects through the whole economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, these are just the latest examples of a growing number of studies which indicate that there are ways of making investments in the energy sector which would both enhance the economy, enhance federal revenues, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; significantly reduce carbon emissions.  So I&#039;d say Obama has a fighting chance at &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; success. Time will tell, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I would say Gore is being rather optimistic &#8212; not to mention very incomplete. However, a couple of new studies were released today which indicate that he&#39;s not that wildly off &#8212; in principle, anyway (and assuming a longer time-line). What they did was analyze what it will likely cost under various scenarios to maintain our electrical energy needs through 2030. A short discussion, with links to the studies <a href="http://earth2tech.com/2008/11/10/a-reliable-green-grid-could-need-2-trillion/">can be found here.</a> According to the Brattle Group study, which is the more comprehensive of the two, maintaining our energy needs is likely to cost us at least $1.5 trillion through 2030, no matter what decisions are made with respect to AGW or energy efficiency. Interestingly though, that (cheapest) senario assumes that &#8220;realistically attainable&#8221; energy efficiency and demand reduction technologies are deployed, but carbon emission reductions are not pursued beyond present mandates. Doing nothing but what we&#39;re doing now would actually cost about $107 billion more. Alternatively, if we also wanted to reduce carbon emissions by 40% by that time it would cost about $400 billion more than that. And by the way, we&#39;re not talking federal money spent &#8212; it&#39;s just total outlays, be they public or private.</p>
<p>One thing neither study did was analyze the effect of different scenarios on jobs. However, <a href="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/09/green_recovery.html">this study</a> suggests that a coordinated green recovery and infrastructure investment program would create several times the number of jobs than would be created by spending the same amount of money in fossil fuel industries. That of course means that the money spent would both enhance revenues by way of taxes, while also have ripples effects through the whole economy.</p>
<p>Anyway, these are just the latest examples of a growing number of studies which indicate that there are ways of making investments in the energy sector which would both enhance the economy, enhance federal revenues, <i>and</i> significantly reduce carbon emissions.  So I&#39;d say Obama has a fighting chance at <i>some</i> success. Time will tell, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jesus Michael, you can&#039;t be that stupid can you?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, He Can!  And he routinely is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This time, he has company, too, namely, anyone who has blind faith in the following preposterousness, at whom it is obviously being directed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;a five-part plan to repower America with a commitment to producing 100 percent of our electricity from carbon-free sources within 10 years. It is a plan that would simultaneously move us toward solutions to the climate crisis and the economic crisis — and create millions of new jobs that cannot be outsourced.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jesus Michael, you can&#39;t be that stupid can you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, He Can!  And he routinely is.</p>
<p>This time, he has company, too, namely, anyone who has blind faith in the following preposterousness, at whom it is obviously being directed:</p>
<p>&#8220;a five-part plan to repower America with a commitment to producing 100 percent of our electricity from carbon-free sources within 10 years. It is a plan that would simultaneously move us toward solutions to the climate crisis and the economic crisis — and create millions of new jobs that cannot be outsourced.”</p>
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		<title>By: RickMoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickMoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the conservative movement because it’s been reckess and extremist, because what it promotes is, at its core, brutality: theocratic moralism at home, imperialism abroad, and a deregulated free-market economy that would have made Adam Smith shudder in horror.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jesus Michael, you can&#039;t be that stupid can you? &quot;Theocratic?&quot; Are you honestly saying that &quot;conservatism&quot; (not conservatives idiots) is about theocratic rule? Or &quot;Burtality?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where do you get this crap, Raw Story? And btw, since Adam Smith lived in a time of no regulation at all, what would make him shudder is what Obama and his buds have in store for the free market. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Imperialism abroad?&quot; ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Which ideology was hellbent on assisting our little yellow brothers in Southeast Asia? Who was it that intervened in more nations than any other president in history? Kennedy and the Bundy/Harriman,McNamara axis  made the Neocons look like isolationists. They sicced the CIA on a dozen governments around the world not to mention sending combat troops to Viet Nam and Laos. And let&#039;s not forget Clinton and his towering conceits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You really do revel in your ignorance, don&#039;t you? Of course the way you described conservatism bears absolutely no relationship to reality. You were just spouting Greenwaldese and Neiwert-speak. In fact, I would guess you haven&#039;t a clue what liberalism is either which makes your obliviousness complete. You have proven that not only don&#039;t you have the ability to think independently ( a disease that afflicts both liberals and conservatives) but it is an open question whether you have any rational thoughts at all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think you should start writing a cooking column. Or maybe knitting. That&#039;s more your speed, I think. Leave political philosophy to people who like, you know, have an inkling of what they&#039;re talking about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe sports...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the conservative movement because it’s been reckess and extremist, because what it promotes is, at its core, brutality: theocratic moralism at home, imperialism abroad, and a deregulated free-market economy that would have made Adam Smith shudder in horror.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus Michael, you can&#39;t be that stupid can you? &#8220;Theocratic?&#8221; Are you honestly saying that &#8220;conservatism&#8221; (not conservatives idiots) is about theocratic rule? Or &#8220;Burtality?&#8221; </p>
<p>Where do you get this crap, Raw Story? And btw, since Adam Smith lived in a time of no regulation at all, what would make him shudder is what Obama and his buds have in store for the free market. </p>
<p>&#8220;Imperialism abroad?&#8221; ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Which ideology was hellbent on assisting our little yellow brothers in Southeast Asia? Who was it that intervened in more nations than any other president in history? Kennedy and the Bundy/Harriman,McNamara axis  made the Neocons look like isolationists. They sicced the CIA on a dozen governments around the world not to mention sending combat troops to Viet Nam and Laos. And let&#39;s not forget Clinton and his towering conceits.</p>
<p>You really do revel in your ignorance, don&#39;t you? Of course the way you described conservatism bears absolutely no relationship to reality. You were just spouting Greenwaldese and Neiwert-speak. In fact, I would guess you haven&#39;t a clue what liberalism is either which makes your obliviousness complete. You have proven that not only don&#39;t you have the ability to think independently ( a disease that afflicts both liberals and conservatives) but it is an open question whether you have any rational thoughts at all.</p>
<p>I think you should start writing a cooking column. Or maybe knitting. That&#39;s more your speed, I think. Leave political philosophy to people who like, you know, have an inkling of what they&#39;re talking about.</p>
<p>Maybe sports&#8230;?</p>
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