Comments on: And So the Rebuilding Begins… http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 13 May 2013 08:38:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163594 superdestroyer Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:15:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163594 W received less than 40% of the Hispanics vote in 2004 and was probably closer to 35%. Look at the voting results from counties that are majority Hispanics. They voted 2 to 1 for Democrats.

Of course, when you are talking about Richmond suburbs, you are talking about white voters. White voters are the only real swing voters in the U.S. Women have voted majority Democrats for decades and single women voted DEmocratic 2 to 1 but if you remove black women, the number is not near as large. The same goes for everything else. When you have a demographic group that votes 95% for one party, that demographic dominates over others.

What those whites in suburbs Richmond (of course they live there because the Richmond Public Schools are overwhelmingly black and are horrible) is that as the U.S. becomes less white, they will become targets for higher taxes and for social engineerings. Then they will realize that in the coming one party state, that they will have no say in how the government works.

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By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163564 kritt11 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163564 Not true, SD. Hispanics voted in large numbers for W in '00 and '04. Without their votes, he would have lost to Democratic opponents.

The right lost the Hispanic vote by obsessing over the open borders issue.

What you fail to see is that the GOP is also losing in areas that were their strongholds– like the suburbs of Richmond, VA which went blue for the first time in recent memory. Many moderates are leaving the party. Women also went for Obama, as did younger voters and college educated whites .Elections can be analyzed by looking at region, education level, gender, age etc. Race is just one of many factors.

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By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163537 superdestroyer Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:27:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163537 kritt,

To ignore the racia makeup of both parties is to ignore politics. Blacks and Hispanics are reflexive Democarts voters who the Republicans have zero chance of winning over. Thus, conservatives have to find a way to offset that advantage and the best way is to probably try to take over the Democratic Party from the inside. That way, conservatives can take advantage of blacks and Hispanics reflexive voting for Democrats and for the elite white progressives into a white only party on the left of the current Democratic party.

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By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163506 kritt11 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:43:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163506 SD –again I'm disturbed that you seem to be obsessed with the racial makeup of both parties.

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By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163505 kritt11 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:42:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163505 SD- If Sarah Palin, Harriet Miers, and Clarence Thomas were not AA picks I don't know what would be!

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By: johnmgrant http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163473 johnmgrant Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:26:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163473 Although it's not realistic given how our society and government has evolved, I would prefer BOTH parties stay out of dictating social issues. However, in the long run, the party of denying rights will always eventually lose out to the party of expanding rights as long as we hold true to the principles underlying the statement, “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.”

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By: Ricorun http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163471 Ricorun Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:48:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163471 SD: SD: There are not enough middle class and upper middle class whites wo are small government conservatives but socially liberal to make a political party funcitonal.

I guess that begs the question… why do they have to be white?

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By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163435 superdestroyer Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:18:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163435 Rambie,

There are not enough middle class and upper middle class whites wo are small government conservatives but socially liberal to make a political party funcitonal. Even the current groups that make up the Repulbican Party are not demographically large enough to sustain a conservative party. Forcing out the social conservatives while appealling to urban whites is just another way for the Repulbicans to commit suicide.

If people are really interested in pushing conservatives ideas, they would probably be better off in voting the Democratic primaries for the most conservative candidate. Trying to take over the Democratic Party from the inside is about the only way that conservatives can hope to offset the advantages that Democrats have with Hispanics and blacks.

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By: Rambie http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163429 Rambie Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:08:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163429 The Republican party should go back to “small government conservative” principles and be OPEN to compromise on social issues.

- As long as the GOP leadership continues to have a litmus test for membership that's written by the religious-right, they WILL alienate a large percentage of Americans.

- As long as they continue to call anyone who disagrees with them, “un-American”, “socialists”, “terrorist sympathizers”, etc they are going to alienate a percentage of Americans.

- As long as they continue to single out groups of Americans for divisive political stunts, they are going to alienate a percentage of Americans.

Why the Libertarian party continues to follow the GOP instead of flourishing on their own is beyond me.

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By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163420 superdestroyer Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:13:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163420 Rudi,

First, the last time I looked, the consitution does not ban discrimination on the bases of business connection. However, it does ban discrimionation onthe basis of race and ethnicity.

Second, the preferences given to black and minorities but no longer given to women is much greater than the preferences given to legacies. That is why the University of Michigan has to be forced by court order to produce the documents on how much preference was given to the children of rich, white collar black families.

There are some odd niches that also hurt small government conservatives to include college professors, pubic sector emloyees, unions, Jews, gays, that the Repulbicans have zero chance of overcoming.

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By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163416 Rudi Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:33:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163416 SD Why don't you include white niche groups in your rant? By ending AA, the legacy program will embolden more mediocre incompetent whites like G. W. Bush and Kerry. Maybe McClown can fly at Delta Airlines, his third from the bottom ranking at Annapolis is very impressive. The Walton's run WallyWorld by birth and injection, thats your lily white meritocracy in action.

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By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163415 superdestroyer Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:04:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163415 kritt,

Can the small government party really ever welcome All Americans into their party. As long blacks demand quotas, AA, and Set asides, is there really a place for them in conservative politics. AS long as La Raza demands open borders and unlimited immigration, is there really a place for Hispanics in Conservative politics.

The Replubicans are caught in a demographic trap. They need to appeal to minorities but lose more white voters in the process. Look at the millions of Repulblicans who stayed home last Tuesday because they believe that the Repubican Party can gone left them.

Also, it is odd that the Democrats say that politics in the art of cmpromise but continue to give the CBC exactly what it wants even though most Americans want an end to quotas, set asides, AA and most Americans want more control on the borders.

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By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163409 kritt11 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:20:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163409 The Republicans largest interest group is white evangelicals who voted for McCain by a 3:1 margin. Any viable candidate has to receive the blessing of James Dobson and Richard Land.
These folks do not understand that the political process is one of compromise, and so end up getting a lot of backs up in resistance.

The GOP will continue to lose elections unless they can silence the evangelicals and welcome ALL Americans into their party.

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By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-163404 superdestroyer Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:07:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24213/and-so-the-rebuilding-begins/#comment-163404 The idea that the Repulbilcans can run the same type of campaign as the Democrats is insane. The blue dog Democrats are never asked how they can be in the same party as the Congressional Black Caucus or Barney Frank. If you paid attention to the media, you would believe that the blue dogs are in a different political party as the CBC, or the CHC.

Yet, ever Republicans is forced to answer for some school board in Kansas when they push creationism or some school board in Texas that wants prayer at football games.

The Republicans have to face the fact that there are over 100 Congressional Districts where they have zero chance of winning and a dollar spent there is a dollar not spent in a competative district. Of course, admitting that also means that they to have the problem that the Repulbicans support for open borders and unlimited immigration was a horrible mistake.

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