Comments on: What If John McCain…? http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:05:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: D. E.Rodriguez http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162451 D. E.Rodriguez Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:56:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162451 Coolpillow (McCain-Plain 2008), says:<br><br><br>"Obama not only "flip-flops"- but he invented himself.<br>He's a narcisist.<br>Marxist.<br>Sociialist.<br>Inexperienced. Willing to sit down with the madmen and despots who would GLADLY sit down with him.<br>This will be the end of America as we know it."<br><br>Coolpillow, your comments only confirm--no, reinforce-- the validity of the post<br><br>Thank you! Coolpillow (McCain-Plain 2008), says:

“Obama not only “flip-flops”- but he invented himself.
He's a narcisist.
Marxist.
Sociialist.
Inexperienced. Willing to sit down with the madmen and despots who would GLADLY sit down with him.
This will be the end of America as we know it.”

Coolpillow, your comments only confirm–no, reinforce– the validity of the post

Thank you!

]]> By: FBW http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162430 FBW Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:28:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162430 DLS<br>You might be right. IF Obama wins really big,(325 to 375 electoral votes) he will have a one or two year grace period in which he could move a mountain or two. If things start to improve and the dems hold the senate and house in 2010, then some things could get done such as health care reform The long term stuff like energy independence will need to get kick started like Kennedy did with the moon race. <br>If Obama barely squeeks by with 270 t0 285 electoral votes, it will be a lot tougher.<br>Dont forget, the Senate at 60 dems is a big thing, and picking up a larger majority in the house is as well. <br>In short, Obama gets 350 electoral votes, Dems have 60 senators, yeah, CHANGE will happen because it will be obvious that a revolution has happened. DLS
You might be right. IF Obama wins really big,(325 to 375 electoral votes) he will have a one or two year grace period in which he could move a mountain or two. If things start to improve and the dems hold the senate and house in 2010, then some things could get done such as health care reform The long term stuff like energy independence will need to get kick started like Kennedy did with the moon race.
If Obama barely squeeks by with 270 t0 285 electoral votes, it will be a lot tougher.
Dont forget, the Senate at 60 dems is a big thing, and picking up a larger majority in the house is as well.
In short, Obama gets 350 electoral votes, Dems have 60 senators, yeah, CHANGE will happen because it will be obvious that a revolution has happened.

]]> By: FBW http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162428 FBW Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:20:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162428 Cool Pillow. You will be whining for 8 years, get yourself a towel to drape over the pillow. OR get on board with the new America, Cool Pillow. You will be whining for 8 years, get yourself a towel to drape over the pillow. OR get on board with the new America,

]]> By: FBW http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162426 FBW Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:18:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162426 Benjamin Franklin said that the United States should have a revolution every 25 years. This will be a long overdue revolution. Things will change BIG time, a lot of people are gonna get truly upset, hopefully things will improve for everyone. That is why I supported Obama all the way, I wanted the revolution. Benjamin Franklin said that the United States should have a revolution every 25 years. This will be a long overdue revolution. Things will change BIG time, a lot of people are gonna get truly upset, hopefully things will improve for everyone. That is why I supported Obama all the way, I wanted the revolution.

]]> By: CoolPillow http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162392 CoolPillow Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:19:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162392 Obama just thanked John and Cindy McCain for their condolences about his grandmother's death. He said it just shows that McCain IS and has been a great American."<br><br>Nice endorsement from Obama for McCain.<br><br>Back to the post- MCain and his campaign didn't bring up race, Obama did.<br>McCain really didn't want to bring up Wright- out of respect for religion- because he is an honorable man. But the a Republican PAC did.<br><br>Obama not only "flip-flops"- but he invented himself.<br>He's a narcisist.<br>Marxist.<br>Sociialist.<br>Inexperienced. Willing to sit down with the madmen and despots who would GLADLY sit down with him.<br>This will be the end of America as we know it.<br><br>McCain-Palin 2008<br><br>P.S. Obama says "I am am my brother's keeper. I am my sister's keeper." The other night on his infomercial.<br>And yet- his brother lives in a hut in Kenya on $12 a month.<br>And Aunt Zeituni is living (illegally) in south Boston in "slum sweet slum."<br><br>And yet- he says he knew nothing about her being here- and she should be sent back.<br>But- Auntie was at his presidential announcement in 2004.<br><br>How many lies are you going to let this guy get away with?<br>My God.<br><br>McCain-Palin 2008 Obama just thanked John and Cindy McCain for their condolences about his grandmother's death. He said it just shows that McCain IS and has been a great American.”

Nice endorsement from Obama for McCain.

Back to the post- MCain and his campaign didn't bring up race, Obama did.
McCain really didn't want to bring up Wright- out of respect for religion- because he is an honorable man. But the a Republican PAC did.

Obama not only “flip-flops”- but he invented himself.
He's a narcisist.
Marxist.
Sociialist.
Inexperienced. Willing to sit down with the madmen and despots who would GLADLY sit down with him.
This will be the end of America as we know it.

McCain-Palin 2008

P.S. Obama says “I am am my brother's keeper. I am my sister's keeper.” The other night on his infomercial.
And yet- his brother lives in a hut in Kenya on $12 a month.
And Aunt Zeituni is living (illegally) in south Boston in “slum sweet slum.”

And yet- he says he knew nothing about her being here- and she should be sent back.
But- Auntie was at his presidential announcement in 2004.

How many lies are you going to let this guy get away with?
My God.

McCain-Palin 2008

]]> By: D. E.Rodriguez http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162385 D. E.Rodriguez Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:26:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162385 Good points, DLS, last week's Newsweek had a couple of articles addressing the challenges that lie ahead for Obama, if ihe is "the one," and there have been, and will be, many other. Good points, DLS, last week's Newsweek had a couple of articles addressing the challenges that lie ahead for Obama, if ihe is “the one,” and there have been, and will be, many other.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162383 DLS Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:19:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162383 Well, I don't doubt Obama's competence -- I do have concerns about two things. First, will there be a movement by the Dems and others to try to force Washington to go more to the left, which will be a betrayal of many voters as well as repellent to so many? Second, of a more cynical _and_ utilitarian nature, simply, what happens when he comes to town and the "lifers" begin once again to have things their way, as they did when Carter came to town, much of the time when Reagan came to town (despite the stupid angst about "divided government" when no longer did the Congressional Democrats get everything they sought), when Clinton came to town (Bush was pretty much acting as a "lifer" himself), and even when Bush the younger came to town? Were these people able to run things like back in Georgia, California, Arkansas, or Texas? No. Will Obama be able to run things like Chicago (more so than Illinois, where he didn't do that much)? No. There are long-term fixtures in DC who are powerful, as are the hangers-on on the left (a greater presence in Washington than we've ever seen on the right). It'll prove a challenge to him, and to us.<br><br>A lot will depend on the team he brings to Washington with him -- that is, those who aren't already fixtures in Washington that are on his team already, or are acting as advisers. Well, I don't doubt Obama's competence — I do have concerns about two things. First, will there be a movement by the Dems and others to try to force Washington to go more to the left, which will be a betrayal of many voters as well as repellent to so many? Second, of a more cynical _and_ utilitarian nature, simply, what happens when he comes to town and the “lifers” begin once again to have things their way, as they did when Carter came to town, much of the time when Reagan came to town (despite the stupid angst about “divided government” when no longer did the Congressional Democrats get everything they sought), when Clinton came to town (Bush was pretty much acting as a “lifer” himself), and even when Bush the younger came to town? Were these people able to run things like back in Georgia, California, Arkansas, or Texas? No. Will Obama be able to run things like Chicago (more so than Illinois, where he didn't do that much)? No. There are long-term fixtures in DC who are powerful, as are the hangers-on on the left (a greater presence in Washington than we've ever seen on the right). It'll prove a challenge to him, and to us.

A lot will depend on the team he brings to Washington with him — that is, those who aren't already fixtures in Washington that are on his team already, or are acting as advisers.

]]> By: D. E.Rodriguez http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162379 D. E.Rodriguez Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:56:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162379 PWT,<br><br>What I am "suggesting" is exactly what I said:<br><br>"What if McCain had been the John McCain I knew in 2004—the McCain I could have voted for, had he then received the Republican nomination?"<br><br>Translated for you, it means, that if McCain had received the Republican nomination for President in 2004, I could have voted for him. The key words are "could" and "then."<br><br>Now, to further answer the real gotcha intent of your question:<br><br>No, even if McCain had been the McCain I knew in 2004, I would have voted for Obama in 2008. <br><br>I am sorry if you have a problem with that. PWT,

What I am “suggesting” is exactly what I said:

“What if McCain had been the John McCain I knew in 2004—the McCain I could have voted for, had he then received the Republican nomination?”

Translated for you, it means, that if McCain had received the Republican nomination for President in 2004, I could have voted for him. The key words are “could” and “then.”

Now, to further answer the real gotcha intent of your question:

No, even if McCain had been the McCain I knew in 2004, I would have voted for Obama in 2008.

I am sorry if you have a problem with that.

]]> By: lurxst http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162371 lurxst Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:26:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162371 Hmm, what if John McCain was really...Mike Huckabee. Hmm, what if John McCain was really…Mike Huckabee.

]]> By: PWT http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162363 PWT Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:03:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162363 Are you suggesting that you would actually have voted for McCain if he had run his campaign differently? Perhaps he could have worked on his speaking voice a little so it wasn't so whiny and annoying? Perhaps he could have worn some nicer ties? Would it have mattered? Most, except for the 'coon huntin' hillbillies like me (who are driven only by racism, fear of outsiders and a genuine dislike for Starbucks coffee), vote on the issues. So, why does the campaign matter? <br><br>I believe that once Obama has won, he will not be able to govern effectively. He is an excellent campaigner, a below average legislator and will likely turn out to be an abysmal chief executive. Are you suggesting that you would actually have voted for McCain if he had run his campaign differently? Perhaps he could have worked on his speaking voice a little so it wasn't so whiny and annoying? Perhaps he could have worn some nicer ties? Would it have mattered? Most, except for the 'coon huntin' hillbillies like me (who are driven only by racism, fear of outsiders and a genuine dislike for Starbucks coffee), vote on the issues. So, why does the campaign matter?

I believe that once Obama has won, he will not be able to govern effectively. He is an excellent campaigner, a below average legislator and will likely turn out to be an abysmal chief executive.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/24003/what-if-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-162360 DLS Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:40:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/24003/what-if-john-mccain/#comment-162360 I'm sure the eruptions will begin sometime tomorrow or Wednesday on Town Hall. I'm sure the eruptions will begin sometime tomorrow or Wednesday on Town Hall.

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