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	<title>Comments on: The Media and Obama: &#8220;The Story They Wanted to Tell&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-163150</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If age is a problem Obama might replace Biden with Va Gov Caine or&lt;br&gt;Sen. Mark Warner. Biden doesn&#039;t want to seek the presidency again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I&#039;m more interested in seeing if the GOP will pick a moderate or a&lt;br&gt;far right firebrand. I hope I&#039;ve seen the last of the lovely  Ms.&lt;br&gt;Palin, but you never know........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If age is a problem Obama might replace Biden with Va Gov Caine or<br />Sen. Mark Warner. Biden doesn&#39;t want to seek the presidency again.</p>
<p> I&#39;m more interested in seeing if the GOP will pick a moderate or a<br />far right firebrand. I hope I&#39;ve seen the last of the lovely  Ms.<br />Palin, but you never know&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-163135</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, no argument there from me. You can&#039;t find one post or comment from me where I say anything other than she was a stupid and destructive pick. I may have defender her against unfair attacks (like the daughter/granddaughter crap), but I am no fan of hers, or the far-Right portion of the Republican Party she represents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is a related thought though. Who will be on the ticket with Obama in 2012? Still Biden? He would turn 70 right after the election, and would be 74 by the end of a second term. As age was a major factor against McCain (according to exit polls), you do have to wonder if he would pick someone else. The Democrats as a party would like to use that slot to tee up a potential successor, I would expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, no argument there from me. You can&#39;t find one post or comment from me where I say anything other than she was a stupid and destructive pick. I may have defender her against unfair attacks (like the daughter/granddaughter crap), but I am no fan of hers, or the far-Right portion of the Republican Party she represents.</p>
<p>Here is a related thought though. Who will be on the ticket with Obama in 2012? Still Biden? He would turn 70 right after the election, and would be 74 by the end of a second term. As age was a major factor against McCain (according to exit polls), you do have to wonder if he would pick someone else. The Democrats as a party would like to use that slot to tee up a potential successor, I would expect.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-163132</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All in good fun-AR- ok I admit to occasional cyberimmaturity and may&lt;br&gt;sometimes be a tad argumentative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No apology is necessary--but it was gracious of you to offer one&lt;br&gt;anyway. In the end I just couldn&#039;t see the US electing a VP who didn&#039;t&lt;br&gt;know that Africa was a continent, and  so  got involved at the bitter&lt;br&gt;end. KR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in good fun-AR- ok I admit to occasional cyberimmaturity and may<br />sometimes be a tad argumentative.</p>
<p>No apology is necessary&#8211;but it was gracious of you to offer one<br />anyway. In the end I just couldn&#39;t see the US electing a VP who didn&#39;t<br />know that Africa was a continent, and  so  got involved at the bitter<br />end. KR</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-163054</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to add non-US citizen to your list!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seriously though, I am ready to stop this silly tit-for-tat between us. Politics causes strong emotional reactions, and both of us have certainly displayed them during this election cycle. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the election is over, and it is time to move forward. I do congratulate all who supported Obama, and especially those such as yourself who personally got involved. For any offense I have caused you, both intentionally and unintentionally, I apologize.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you have read any of my post-election comments, you know I have been very clear that whatever policy differences exist between myself and Obama, you will not find me out there saying anything other than he is our new President, and all of us owe him our respect and support. As time goes on, I am sure there will be objections from me to particular proposals, but I will not be part of any reverse-BDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to add non-US citizen to your list!</p>
<p> <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, I am ready to stop this silly tit-for-tat between us. Politics causes strong emotional reactions, and both of us have certainly displayed them during this election cycle. </p>
<p>But the election is over, and it is time to move forward. I do congratulate all who supported Obama, and especially those such as yourself who personally got involved. For any offense I have caused you, both intentionally and unintentionally, I apologize.</p>
<p>If you have read any of my post-election comments, you know I have been very clear that whatever policy differences exist between myself and Obama, you will not find me out there saying anything other than he is our new President, and all of us owe him our respect and support. As time goes on, I am sure there will be objections from me to particular proposals, but I will not be part of any reverse-BDS.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I had a good reason for the delay, my friend. I was down in&lt;br&gt;Richmond working to elect the first Muslim&lt;br&gt;terrorist/anarchist/Communist/socialist-in chief so pardon me if I&lt;br&gt;didn&#039;t respond earlier to your urgent email! Obama/Biden 2012!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I had a good reason for the delay, my friend. I was down in<br />Richmond working to elect the first Muslim<br />terrorist/anarchist/Communist/socialist-in chief so pardon me if I<br />didn&#39;t respond earlier to your urgent email! Obama/Biden 2012!</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-162990</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, and that response only took you 5 days to come up with! OK, maybe 2 days since the election. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still, quite an amazing display of your rapier-like wit and repartee. Given another week or two, you might even have managed to have been cogent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, and that response only took you 5 days to come up with! OK, maybe 2 days since the election. </p>
<p>Still, quite an amazing display of your rapier-like wit and repartee. Given another week or two, you might even have managed to have been cogent.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well- AR- the terrorist&#039;s best friend is now your new president&lt;br&gt;-elect. That is a fitting way to end this argument. Maybe you&lt;br&gt;conservatives can regroup and then regurgitate the same crap that the&lt;br&gt;voters have been rejecting for the last 2 elections!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well- AR- the terrorist&#39;s best friend is now your new president<br />-elect. That is a fitting way to end this argument. Maybe you<br />conservatives can regroup and then regurgitate the same crap that the<br />voters have been rejecting for the last 2 elections!</p>
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		<title>By: Why We Worry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Did the media decide this election? &#124; The frothy turd burger of the Internet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why We Worry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Did the media decide this election? &#124; The frothy turd burger of the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friday, Jazz Shaw of TMV asked if Barack Obama was the story the media wanted to tell and did they inject themselves into the plot to keep the story on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Friday, Jazz Shaw of TMV asked if Barack Obama was the story the media wanted to tell and did they inject themselves into the plot to keep the story on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy cow! I wrote this some time back during the Clinton administration and you guys are still going!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow! I wrote this some time back during the Clinton administration and you guys are still going!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley,&lt;br&gt;I appreciate where your coming from, but I think there is qualitative difference between the campaigns that&#039;s hard to ignore. Taking each of the examples you&#039;ve brought out, I can bring up a worse example of a similar sort on McCain&#039;s side:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Running roughshod over campaign finance laws he helped draft in the primaries. Claiming that Obama &quot;promised&quot; to take public financing when Obama had always left himself a loophole in his rhetoric. Remember, he said he&#039;d like to seek an agreement, rather than he definitely would.&lt;br&gt;2. Incoherent adjustments to policy that make it impossible to know where he really stands on certain issues like taxes, deregulation, withdrawal from Iraq, bailouts.&lt;br&gt;3. Saying he was going to suspend his campaign and yet doing no such thing. Criticizing Obama for supporting socialism after voting for the government takeover of a large part of the financial industry.&lt;br&gt;4. Picking power-abuser and lightweight Palin after meeting her once, and previously pledging that his VP pick would be based on immediate readiness for the presidency&lt;br&gt;5. Running advertisements that dwarf the negativity of Obama&#039;s by painting a picture of Obama as a celebrity, traitor-terrorist socialist who will raise your taxes (even though he won&#039;t for 95% of people) and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley,<br />I appreciate where your coming from, but I think there is qualitative difference between the campaigns that&#39;s hard to ignore. Taking each of the examples you&#39;ve brought out, I can bring up a worse example of a similar sort on McCain&#39;s side:</p>
<p>1. Running roughshod over campaign finance laws he helped draft in the primaries. Claiming that Obama &#8220;promised&#8221; to take public financing when Obama had always left himself a loophole in his rhetoric. Remember, he said he&#39;d like to seek an agreement, rather than he definitely would.<br />2. Incoherent adjustments to policy that make it impossible to know where he really stands on certain issues like taxes, deregulation, withdrawal from Iraq, bailouts.<br />3. Saying he was going to suspend his campaign and yet doing no such thing. Criticizing Obama for supporting socialism after voting for the government takeover of a large part of the financial industry.<br />4. Picking power-abuser and lightweight Palin after meeting her once, and previously pledging that his VP pick would be based on immediate readiness for the presidency<br />5. Running advertisements that dwarf the negativity of Obama&#39;s by painting a picture of Obama as a celebrity, traitor-terrorist socialist who will raise your taxes (even though he won&#39;t for 95% of people) and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with almost all of your comment Chris, except of course the criticism of McCain&#039;s campaiging. Well, that&#039;s not to say that I think he&#039;s run a great campaign- he certainly could have done better. But the types of things you are criticizing are all part and parcel of the media narrative and on the whole, not worse than things I could name about Obama&#039;s campaigning such as:&lt;br&gt;1. Flip flopping on his pledge for public financing AND falling way short of his promises regarding transparency of donations (he&#039;s gotten a larger share of his donations from large donors than we&#039;ve been led to believe, and has done less toward transparency than has McCain.)&lt;br&gt;2. Incoherent adjustments to policy that make it impossible to know where he really stands on certain issues like free trade&lt;br&gt;3. Criticizing McCain for his campaign suspension because he said that would insert presidential politics into the economic bailout- and then he proceeds to take credit for the bailout package and let the Congressional Dems insert presidential politics by slamming McCain.&lt;br&gt;4. Picking Joe Biden, an obvious move to placate people who don&#039;t feel he has the experience and gravitas on foreign policy (yet somehow he&#039;s not criticized for this by those who believed that Obama&#039;s judgement on Iraq was correct.)&lt;br&gt;5. Constantly criticizing McCain for running a negative campaign when he was the one who went negative first (with the dishonest use of &#039;100 years in Iraq&#039; taken out of context) and has distorted in other ads (fearmongering seniors on SS) and has run more negative ads overall than has McCain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could go on but you get the idea. These negative campaign features haven&#039;t hurt Obama as McCain&#039;s negatives have hurt him- so I say that&#039;s mainly because of the wind at Obama&#039;s back and the headwind that McCain has to fight. And that&#039;s before you even get into the money advantage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want to make excuses, as McCain clearly could have done some things better. But if the results come out even close, then I think McCain has done incredibly well given the conditions he&#039;s had to operate under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with almost all of your comment Chris, except of course the criticism of McCain&#39;s campaiging. Well, that&#39;s not to say that I think he&#39;s run a great campaign- he certainly could have done better. But the types of things you are criticizing are all part and parcel of the media narrative and on the whole, not worse than things I could name about Obama&#39;s campaigning such as:<br />1. Flip flopping on his pledge for public financing AND falling way short of his promises regarding transparency of donations (he&#39;s gotten a larger share of his donations from large donors than we&#39;ve been led to believe, and has done less toward transparency than has McCain.)<br />2. Incoherent adjustments to policy that make it impossible to know where he really stands on certain issues like free trade<br />3. Criticizing McCain for his campaign suspension because he said that would insert presidential politics into the economic bailout- and then he proceeds to take credit for the bailout package and let the Congressional Dems insert presidential politics by slamming McCain.<br />4. Picking Joe Biden, an obvious move to placate people who don&#39;t feel he has the experience and gravitas on foreign policy (yet somehow he&#39;s not criticized for this by those who believed that Obama&#39;s judgement on Iraq was correct.)<br />5. Constantly criticizing McCain for running a negative campaign when he was the one who went negative first (with the dishonest use of &#39;100 years in Iraq&#39; taken out of context) and has distorted in other ads (fearmongering seniors on SS) and has run more negative ads overall than has McCain.</p>
<p>I could go on but you get the idea. These negative campaign features haven&#39;t hurt Obama as McCain&#39;s negatives have hurt him- so I say that&#39;s mainly because of the wind at Obama&#39;s back and the headwind that McCain has to fight. And that&#39;s before you even get into the money advantage.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t want to make excuses, as McCain clearly could have done some things better. But if the results come out even close, then I think McCain has done incredibly well given the conditions he&#39;s had to operate under.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR, thanks.  I don&#039;t think Obama and Ayers working together on an education project and then Ayers hosting a coffee get together for Obama when Obama ran for public office qualifies as a close relationship.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama can&#039;t downplay a close relationship that was never there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html&quot;&gt;http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR, thanks.  I don&#39;t think Obama and Ayers working together on an education project and then Ayers hosting a coffee get together for Obama when Obama ran for public office qualifies as a close relationship.</p>
<p>Obama can&#39;t downplay a close relationship that was never there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lively discussion here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bringing it back to the original post, I&#039;d say that removing bias or unfairness from news is an impossible task. I can never quite decide if it&#039;s worth the effort, because often times, attempts at being unbiased introduce a bias all their own. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like CNN&#039;s Campbell Brown is fond of saying lately, if politician A tells you it&#039;s raining outside, and politician B tells you it&#039;s dry and sunny, you can&#039;t just report both statements and wash your hands of it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Journalists can and should provide context and fact-checking for the claims made by the people they report on, otherwise we might as well dismantle news organizations and just get our news directly from campaign press releases.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what, do I think about this election? Well, I think Obama has received far better coverage than Bill Clinton, Al Gore or John Kerry could have dreamed of. That could be for any number of reasons, the historic nature of his candidacy, his charisma, the level of enthusiasm he&#039;s created in the country, disaffection with the Republican party. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I don&#039;t think it comes simply down to liberal bias. We have roughly the same press we had in 2004 and 2000, and yet the coverage in those elections were incredibly hostile to the so-called &quot;liberal&quot; candidates. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know I see McCain&#039;s campaign through my own biased lens, but I think there have been a number of simply absurd moves on his part that can&#039;t simply be spun away by media attempts to be even-handed. The non-suspension suspension of the campaign, the Sarah &quot;abused her power, but is a reformist maverick&quot; Palin pick, this Joe &quot;my role model&quot; the Plumber business, the charges of socialism while simultaneously supporting a massive buyout of failed mortgages and banks, the mostly fabricated Khalidi connection that reveals his own deeper financial ties to the man, and on and on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The campaigns could hardly be more different, so it makes sense that they&#039;d evaluated differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lively discussion here.</p>
<p>Bringing it back to the original post, I&#39;d say that removing bias or unfairness from news is an impossible task. I can never quite decide if it&#39;s worth the effort, because often times, attempts at being unbiased introduce a bias all their own. </p>
<p>Like CNN&#39;s Campbell Brown is fond of saying lately, if politician A tells you it&#39;s raining outside, and politician B tells you it&#39;s dry and sunny, you can&#39;t just report both statements and wash your hands of it. </p>
<p>Journalists can and should provide context and fact-checking for the claims made by the people they report on, otherwise we might as well dismantle news organizations and just get our news directly from campaign press releases.</p>
<p>So what, do I think about this election? Well, I think Obama has received far better coverage than Bill Clinton, Al Gore or John Kerry could have dreamed of. That could be for any number of reasons, the historic nature of his candidacy, his charisma, the level of enthusiasm he&#39;s created in the country, disaffection with the Republican party. </p>
<p>But I don&#39;t think it comes simply down to liberal bias. We have roughly the same press we had in 2004 and 2000, and yet the coverage in those elections were incredibly hostile to the so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; candidates. </p>
<p>I know I see McCain&#39;s campaign through my own biased lens, but I think there have been a number of simply absurd moves on his part that can&#39;t simply be spun away by media attempts to be even-handed. The non-suspension suspension of the campaign, the Sarah &#8220;abused her power, but is a reformist maverick&#8221; Palin pick, this Joe &#8220;my role model&#8221; the Plumber business, the charges of socialism while simultaneously supporting a massive buyout of failed mortgages and banks, the mostly fabricated Khalidi connection that reveals his own deeper financial ties to the man, and on and on.</p>
<p>The campaigns could hardly be more different, so it makes sense that they&#39;d evaluated differently.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-161875</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB - I do not think Obama is a closet terrorist, and am not stupid enough to get sucked down your rat whole. The question is a) why is he so downplaying their long-term relationship and b) what does his Ayers relationship, taken within the totality of his other close ties to people like Rev. Wright, Khalidi, etc., say about some of his core beliefs? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He seems to have a long list of friends and associates with very radical views towards America. He has stated that he likes to have multiple viewpoints as the reason, but there seems to be a very real scarcity of of any balance in the types of people he looked to when young. By his own admission, he sought out Left wing activists and Marxist professors in his early academic career. Again, nothing unusual for a young intellectual. It is the constant attempts to pretend that these are not important figures in his life and adult development that make me nervous.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CStanley hit the nail on the head. I remember when Bush got taken to task for weeks in the press for just giving a speech at Bob Jones during the 200 elections. But decades-long associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright, etc., should not even be discussed in polite company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB &#8211; I do not think Obama is a closet terrorist, and am not stupid enough to get sucked down your rat whole. The question is a) why is he so downplaying their long-term relationship and b) what does his Ayers relationship, taken within the totality of his other close ties to people like Rev. Wright, Khalidi, etc., say about some of his core beliefs? </p>
<p>He seems to have a long list of friends and associates with very radical views towards America. He has stated that he likes to have multiple viewpoints as the reason, but there seems to be a very real scarcity of of any balance in the types of people he looked to when young. By his own admission, he sought out Left wing activists and Marxist professors in his early academic career. Again, nothing unusual for a young intellectual. It is the constant attempts to pretend that these are not important figures in his life and adult development that make me nervous.</p>
<p>CStanley hit the nail on the head. I remember when Bush got taken to task for weeks in the press for just giving a speech at Bob Jones during the 200 elections. But decades-long associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright, etc., should not even be discussed in polite company.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23919/the-media-and-obama-the-story-they-wanted-to-tell/comment-page-2/#comment-161873</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Liberal crap. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oooh, he disagrees with me, he doesn&#039;t worship the same sources I do, he was rude to me in my stupidity, and said something I interpret as violating the comment policy (although it didn&#039;t. Again, your oinability to read what is there, rather than whwat you THINK is ther, blinds you. I made no threat, nor used profanity. I only implied profanity).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; He must be a stalker, and potentially violent! He might even be crazy!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Glad you won&#039;t be reading this, I would hate to scare you further with my disagreement with you, and have you try to get a restraining order or something.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why don&#039;t you go take a Zoloft, and calm down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Liberal crap. </p>
<p>Oooh, he disagrees with me, he doesn&#39;t worship the same sources I do, he was rude to me in my stupidity, and said something I interpret as violating the comment policy (although it didn&#39;t. Again, your oinability to read what is there, rather than whwat you THINK is ther, blinds you. I made no threat, nor used profanity. I only implied profanity).</p>
<p> He must be a stalker, and potentially violent! He might even be crazy!</p>
<p>Glad you won&#39;t be reading this, I would hate to scare you further with my disagreement with you, and have you try to get a restraining order or something.</p>
<p>Why don&#39;t you go take a Zoloft, and calm down.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote that the fact finding site determines facts-not me---you need to&lt;br&gt;read it again! If you want to dispute the fact finding site, then, yes I&lt;br&gt;think you are burying your head--if that&#039;s such a big insult--well you can&lt;br&gt;take it- right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote that the fact finding site determines facts-not me&#8212;you need to<br />read it again! If you want to dispute the fact finding site, then, yes I<br />think you are burying your head&#8211;if that&#39;s such a big insult&#8211;well you can<br />take it- right?</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR&lt;br&gt;So, now you are even violating the comment policy and are acting like a&lt;br&gt;stalker----you must really take yourself seriously-now I will no longer read&lt;br&gt;your comments since you are not even rational. Really you are going off the&lt;br&gt;deep end-you should get some help before you hurt someone, ASAP&lt;br&gt; Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR<br />So, now you are even violating the comment policy and are acting like a<br />stalker&#8212;-you must really take yourself seriously-now I will no longer read<br />your comments since you are not even rational. Really you are going off the<br />deep end-you should get some help before you hurt someone, ASAP<br /> Kim</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite understand how the Republicans can accuse the Times of suppressing this story, when they, in fact, were the ones who reported it in the first place (in April).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;JWeidner: The clue to answering your question was right there in your parenthetical. I don&#039;t recall how the LATimes leaned in the primaries, but it&#039;s pretty obvious that a media outfit that perhaps supported Hillary Clinton would have been willing to air some dirt on Obama in APRIL, but not willing to expose him to any further scrutiny now that he&#039;s running as the Dem nominee. In fact, I think it&#039;s highly probable that the anonymous source for the tape was either someone in the Clinton camp or someone who wanted to do them a favor- which is perhaps why they now don&#039;t want to be exposed for having publicized this tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t quite understand how the Republicans can accuse the Times of suppressing this story, when they, in fact, were the ones who reported it in the first place (in April).</p>
<p>JWeidner: The clue to answering your question was right there in your parenthetical. I don&#39;t recall how the LATimes leaned in the primaries, but it&#39;s pretty obvious that a media outfit that perhaps supported Hillary Clinton would have been willing to air some dirt on Obama in APRIL, but not willing to expose him to any further scrutiny now that he&#39;s running as the Dem nominee. In fact, I think it&#39;s highly probable that the anonymous source for the tape was either someone in the Clinton camp or someone who wanted to do them a favor- which is perhaps why they now don&#39;t want to be exposed for having publicized this tape.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stockboy, I know you were asking AR and not me, but if I may....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My answer to those questions is no, but with a major qualification: you&#039;d have to know more details in order to determine whether or not the relationship is acceptable to you as a voter. And that&#039;s what&#039;s been missing in Obama&#039;s accounting of his relationship with Ayers and others- he hasn&#039;t been open and honest about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From what I&#039;ve been able to determine, I don&#039;t have any concern about Obama actually sympathizing with Ayers&#039; terrorist activities- I certainly don&#039;t think he&#039;s a closet anarchist. But I think it&#039;s perfectly legitimate to ask what Obama does or doesn&#039;t agree with Ayers on, regarding his education agenda and other political views. Ayers&#039; politics may not be violent any longer, but they are still radical, despite what certain people in liberal establishment of Chicago will say. I&#039;m sure there are plenty of people in S. Carolina who feel that Bob Jones University is completely &#039;mainstream&#039; but that doesn&#039;t mean that someone with close ties to it would necessarily be welcomed on the national scene- and I feel certain that such a candidate would have some &#039;splainin to do. Yet the national media chirps away on how Ayers is now completely mainstream in Chicago circles, and thus it shouldn&#039;t be a big deal. How&#039;s that for a double standard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stockboy, I know you were asking AR and not me, but if I may&#8230;.</p>
<p>My answer to those questions is no, but with a major qualification: you&#39;d have to know more details in order to determine whether or not the relationship is acceptable to you as a voter. And that&#39;s what&#39;s been missing in Obama&#39;s accounting of his relationship with Ayers and others- he hasn&#39;t been open and honest about it.</p>
<p>From what I&#39;ve been able to determine, I don&#39;t have any concern about Obama actually sympathizing with Ayers&#39; terrorist activities- I certainly don&#39;t think he&#39;s a closet anarchist. But I think it&#39;s perfectly legitimate to ask what Obama does or doesn&#39;t agree with Ayers on, regarding his education agenda and other political views. Ayers&#39; politics may not be violent any longer, but they are still radical, despite what certain people in liberal establishment of Chicago will say. I&#39;m sure there are plenty of people in S. Carolina who feel that Bob Jones University is completely &#39;mainstream&#39; but that doesn&#39;t mean that someone with close ties to it would necessarily be welcomed on the national scene- and I feel certain that such a candidate would have some &#39;splainin to do. Yet the national media chirps away on how Ayers is now completely mainstream in Chicago circles, and thus it shouldn&#39;t be a big deal. How&#39;s that for a double standard?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AustinRoth:  concerning Ayers and the people he associates with... I have a couple questions for you....  Would you agree that anyone who funded a project a terrorist worked on was also a terrorist (or at least a terrorist sympathizer)?  And if someone who funds projects terrorists works on are themselves terrorists or terrorists sympathizers, what about people who pal around with them?  Does that make those people terrorists or terrorist sympathizers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AustinRoth:  concerning Ayers and the people he associates with&#8230; I have a couple questions for you&#8230;.  Would you agree that anyone who funded a project a terrorist worked on was also a terrorist (or at least a terrorist sympathizer)?  And if someone who funds projects terrorists works on are themselves terrorists or terrorists sympathizers, what about people who pal around with them?  Does that make those people terrorists or terrorist sympathizers?</p>
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