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Who is Getting the Alzheimers Vote in Ohio?

Another interesting story comes to us out of Ohio. This one raises a few questions, but centers on voting by people who may not be in a position to make responsible decisions about their vote.

Examples of possible voter fraud in Ohio stretch from the farmlands to the West Coast.

In Highland County, 95-year-old Mildred Meddock registered and voted for the first time in her life despite her advanced Alzheimer’s disease.

Her granddaughters learned of her newfound patriotism when they visited the nursing home where Meddock lives and saw an “I voted today” sticker on her clothing.

Records show that Meddock registered Sept. 26 when two Highland County Board of Elections employees visited the home, Heartland of Hillsboro, about 65 miles south of Columbus. Four other residents also were registered and voted that day.

I’m hot. I’m livid,” said granddaughter Chrystal Brown. “A month ago, she couldn’t tell you her name she was so bad, and, depending on what time of day it is, her name is the only thing she can tell you.

It’s certainly enough to raise eyebrows, but there are also a few other questions to be answered. First of all, the article doesn’t give any indication who she voted for. Not that it really matters, because it’s worth looking into anyway, but that could speak to a potential larger problem.

But it’s also problematic to immediately throw the actual “voter fraud” flag on cases like this. You might certainly question how “competent” Mrs. Meddock is to select a candidate, but is that a violation of the law? I have a similar situation in my family which I have to deal with, but votes are being cast. There are more than enough young, healthy people in this country who will vote this year, but probably couldn’t tell you the position any of the candidates hold on the issues. Should this woman be barred from voting?

I suppose the real question comes over the question of the people who registered her and facilitated her voting. It sounds as if she’s definitely a legal resident of age to register, so did they go into the booth with her, or fill out her ballot for her? If so, then we have a clear violation of the law. Did they, instead, “suggest” that she vote for one candidate or the other and leave her to vote on her own? How should we deal with situations such as this?

The article points out a few more incidents which are clearly stinking up the joint.

* A man who most recently lived at Rescue Mission in Syracuse, N.Y. He listed his address as 154 E. Long St. Downtown. There’s no such address. The 49-year-old man never has registered to vote in New York.

* A 27-year-old man who has lived in Kentucky since 1998 listed his address as 2462 Parsons Ave. That address, if it existed, would fall somewhere below the Rt. 104 overpass near the railroad tracks in a heavily industrialized area of the South Side.

* A 33-year-old native Californian who voted in Ohio on Oct. 4 using the address of a German Village house. The current resident of that house and the Californian were roommates at UCLA in the mid-1990s. The California native is registered as a permanent vote-by-mail voter in San Francisco County, meaning that he can vote there as well. He had utilities connected at his new business address in San Francisco on Sept. 1. His MySpace account, last updated in August, lists his address in San Francisco.

Shenanigans may indeed be afoot!

  • janet444
    Trust me, my mom has Alzheimer's. In the very early stages, I could have seen her voting. Alzeimer's creeps up so very gradually. But I can assure you that people in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's simply aren't able to remember one candidate from another well enough to be able to vote responsibly. It was blatantly irresponsible for anyone to register this woman to vote and to allow her to vote. I'm glad it caught the attention of the media and I hope the people who are encouraging this are made to stop.
  • An interesting take, Janet. But it does seem to open a pretty nasty can of worms. How will we determine who is still enabled enough to "vote responsibly" and who isn't? And who will make that determination, and will the voter be able to challenge it?
  • roro80
    Exactly Jazz. I think the initial example given (the old woman) and the final example (the SF 33yo) are just so, so different. How can we tell who is too disabled to vote? Where's the line in the course of the disease where you are onger are allowed to make your own decisions? Might such a line be used to manipulate people who are merely elderly and not in late stages of disease? What if it's not someone with Alzheimer's, but instead just someone with a very low IQ? What IQ is too low, and how does the government determine whether a person has a high enough IQ to vote? And doesn't that sound like literacy tests from the Jim Crow era?

    Anyway, lots of questions. I think what's clear is that if someone -- either those who registered her or those who facilitated the voting -- tried to manipulate her, there's certainly an ethical breach there, but I think we have to let elderly/disabled people vote, across the board. Then again, I have an uncle who will just vote however his pastor tells him; who's to say he was less or more manipulated than this older woman? If we can agree she should have the right to vote, can't we agree that she also has a right to watch the news and be "manipulated" in whatever way the rest of us are? Sure, nobody should push her to vote one way or another while physically helping her to vote, but outside the "No campaigning beyond this point" sign, I don't see a problem.
  • EEllis
    "As many as ten clients of the Thumbs Up! adult care center have already cast absentee ballots under the supervision of center director David Simerley, and nearly all of them were for Barack Obama.
    "We all registered to vote and we all sat together as a group and went over our ballots and voted," Simerley told News10.
    Among those voting was Michael Rascon, 56, whose father described him as having the mental capacity of a 5-year-old.
    "What kind of people would do this to somebody like that," asked Sam Rascon, who discovered his son had registered and voted only after seeing him with an Obama button last Thursday. "He wouldn't know one candidate from another"
    From http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?sto...

    That sort of thing happens way to much and on both sides.
  • archangel
    good take Jazz.

    This comment is limited to advanced dementia issue: Just to add to janet444's first-hand experience as a witness to her loved one with dementia.... the issue of mental illness, or non compos mentis is written into state Constitutions in some states, and some mental health disorder advocates have sucessfully overturned at least one such. The Federal law is in play also. But the particulars are carefully weighed in the court cases about such.

    For instance Sarro's case (he killed two persons, one a mental health patient) and Sarmento's case (he murdered two children 9 and 6 years old) in which each were, years ago, found NOT guilty of murdering persons by 'reason of insanity,' approached the courts via lawyers recently to have their voting rights reinstated.

    However, if a court has, after carefully reviewing findings and following the State's laws in presidio, and whichever Federal laws apply, declared a person incompetent by legal measure, then that person's right to vote may apparently, also be rescinded legally.

    There is however, in the helping professions, a very clear ethic about NOT inducing persons who are known to be in mid and late stages of dementia, and those in perpetual semicomotose states, to sign any document.... and further that they ought be protected from those who would have them sign documents while non compos mentis. Ethics are higher than the law in most cases.

    janet444 regarding your mom, hang in there. Having an immediate family member with Alzheimer's does, you are accurate, require a higher degree of sheltering and protection often...

    Dr.E
  • archangel
    EEllis, as I mentioned in the comment above, there is an ethic about not leading persons into tasks, commitments or endeavors they are unable to comprehend....

    This particular case you cite , and I agree with your concern, seems one of caregiver's ethics. I can appreciate fully a director or helping professional wanting to give full participation in life to all persons under his/her care... however, for professionals (not parents, friends et al) 'the appearance of conflict of interest' has to be sidestepped whenever possible.

    When I sat on the Colorado State Grievance Board for 13 years, hearing cases .... helping to decide who had and who had not stepped over the lines of law and ethics (with a State DA riding shotgun representing The People) ... we saw many cases where a professional's heart sometimes overwhelmed their following the clear-cut ethics of their profession, and the requirements of the law-- and that I believed, especially when I chaired the Board, was reason for nuanced response when possible....

    but we also saw far too many cases of professionals pressing their own advantage with patients. That required another response altogether, mostw often clearly proscribed, and with if/when legal protocol to follow already in place without variance.

    One of the most important issues weighed in such matters, rested in part, on the imbalance of power between patient and professional; that is, the ease of influence by one over another.

    I think too that some five year olds I've met in life truly would be able to understand the nuances of elections. Certainly many adults who are deemed 'retarded' are able to grasp the principles of 'what is good' for a nation, perhaps more clearly than people with lots of fancy thinking... Certainly I'd say that people with chemicological disorders, which some call 'mental illness' or 'mental disiorders' can still evaluate and choose to vote who and what they believe is useful from their point of view. I have a sense all these decades that idiosyncratic voting, were it to occur, belongs to all of us, not just those designated as 'different.'

    But the issue you mentioned, seems one of caregiver ethics. Just my two cents worth

    again Jazz, good topic. thanks for bringing it; it's a hidden side of our culture, isnt it? esp now.
  • DLS
    The votes of live people are easier for the Dems to get by the authorities than those of the dead, most likely. As to the mental handicap, well, this _Is_ the Democratic Party we're talking about.

    (Impossible to resist!)
  • archangel
    dear DLS, I keep thinking one of these days I'm going to see you on the Comedy Channel on cable. . . you are often truly funny.
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