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		<title>By: Valentine's Day Cruise with John Ashcroft? &#124; ddm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valentine's Day Cruise with John Ashcroft? &#124; ddm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to the Larison post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/27/setting-up-for-failure/&quot;&gt;Sinking ship&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a related note, this current post fits into the silly religious theme:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/28/enough-already-3/&quot;&gt;Enough already&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;What is it about this election that causes people to say absolutely crazy things?  John McCain is a tsaddik!  John McCain is like Tsar-Martyr Nikolai!  What profound confusion or monomania can people suffer from that allows them to compare blithely one of the worst presidential candidates in my lifetime to revered and holy figures?  I would not show disrespect to my Catholic friends by comparing the ridiculous members of our political class, particularly one known for his reflexive support for wars that have directly harmed Catholic communities in the Near East, to Blessed Karl of Austria for any reason.  Endorse McCain as the lesser of two evils if you must, but spare us the sacrilege.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the specific policy matter at hand, there is an assumption here that the so-called Freedom of Choice Act would pass the House in which conservative Democrats make up a fifth of the majority.  This is a very questionable assumption, to say the least. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a link to the Larison post: <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/27/setting-up-for-failure/">Sinking ship</a>.</p>
<p>In a related note, this current post fits into the silly religious theme:<br /><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/28/enough-already-3/">Enough already</a><br />
<blockquote>What is it about this election that causes people to say absolutely crazy things?  John McCain is a tsaddik!  John McCain is like Tsar-Martyr Nikolai!  What profound confusion or monomania can people suffer from that allows them to compare blithely one of the worst presidential candidates in my lifetime to revered and holy figures?  I would not show disrespect to my Catholic friends by comparing the ridiculous members of our political class, particularly one known for his reflexive support for wars that have directly harmed Catholic communities in the Near East, to Blessed Karl of Austria for any reason.  Endorse McCain as the lesser of two evils if you must, but spare us the sacrilege.</p>
<p>On the specific policy matter at hand, there is an assumption here that the so-called Freedom of Choice Act would pass the House in which conservative Democrats make up a fifth of the majority.  This is a very questionable assumption, to say the least. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, Gov. Palin said that Sen. Obama was &quot;palling around with terrorists,&quot; (and BTW, I thought Obama&#039;s schtick on this at the comedy dinner in Manhatta was a hoot!)  Palin&#039;s comment inched up to the line, but apparently, you think that line was crossed. Other than that debatable reference, can you &lt;i&gt;document&lt;/i&gt; your sweeping claim with a link? Your readers deserve one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun:</p>
<p>Yes, Gov. Palin said that Sen. Obama was &#8220;palling around with terrorists,&#8221; (and BTW, I thought Obama&#39;s schtick on this at the comedy dinner in Manhatta was a hoot!)  Palin&#39;s comment inched up to the line, but apparently, you think that line was crossed. Other than that debatable reference, can you <i>document</i> your sweeping claim with a link? Your readers deserve one.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shaun - it is you that is being disingenuous, and quite frankly misrepresenting your own words, &quot;the angry mantra of the John McCain-Sarah Palin campaign will be silenced. You know the one I’m talking about: That some of us are not true Americans because of where we live, what we do for a living, where we went to school and, horror or horrors, because we support a Muslim terrorist for president.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That flat out states the McCain campaign is pushing such ideas, despite the evidence from McCain&#039;s own words that he does not support anyone associated with his campaign, or even supporters at rallies, saying such things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are also now saying anything negative said about Obama is to be laid at the feet of the McCain campaign, while on numerous occasions in the recent past defending any negative utterances against the McCain/Palin campaign as not coming directly from Obama, and therefore it was a &#039;Rovian dirty trick&#039; to try and make it seem so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You speak out of both sides of your mouth way too often. At times, I try to be civil towards you and your pathological rantings, but when you keep venturing into &quot;homeless person screaming in your face&quot; mode, it only reminds me again of the pity I feel for your decline as a journalist and commentator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shaun &#8211; it is you that is being disingenuous, and quite frankly misrepresenting your own words, &#8220;the angry mantra of the John McCain-Sarah Palin campaign will be silenced. You know the one I’m talking about: That some of us are not true Americans because of where we live, what we do for a living, where we went to school and, horror or horrors, because we support a Muslim terrorist for president.&#8221;</p>
<p>That flat out states the McCain campaign is pushing such ideas, despite the evidence from McCain&#39;s own words that he does not support anyone associated with his campaign, or even supporters at rallies, saying such things.</p>
<p>You are also now saying anything negative said about Obama is to be laid at the feet of the McCain campaign, while on numerous occasions in the recent past defending any negative utterances against the McCain/Palin campaign as not coming directly from Obama, and therefore it was a &#39;Rovian dirty trick&#39; to try and make it seem so.</p>
<p>You speak out of both sides of your mouth way too often. At times, I try to be civil towards you and your pathological rantings, but when you keep venturing into &#8220;homeless person screaming in your face&#8221; mode, it only reminds me again of the pity I feel for your decline as a journalist and commentator.</p>
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		<title>By: All Aboard For The Republican Right-Wing’s Flagellation Station &#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All Aboard For The Republican Right-Wing’s Flagellation Station &#8230; This whips-and-chains vaudeville show reminds us that the Republican Party is precariously close to toppling into the abyss where reside Rush Limbaugh and the twentysomething percent of Americans who still believe that Bush is doing a &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Aboard For The Republican Right-Wing’s Flagellation Station &#8230; at Republican On Best Political Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Aboard For The Republican Right-Wing’s Flagellation Station &#8230; at Republican On Best Political Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manchester2:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are engaging in precisely the kind of disingenuous &quot;we never said that although we said that&quot; cant that the campaign and their surrogates are using.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course neither McCain nor Palin said outright that Obama was a Muslim terrorist, but it has been said over and over and over and over . . . and over and over that his religious and patriotic bona fides are suspect and the implication is very clear to everyone -- obviously excepting yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manchester2:</p>
<p>You are engaging in precisely the kind of disingenuous &#8220;we never said that although we said that&#8221; cant that the campaign and their surrogates are using.  </p>
<p>Of course neither McCain nor Palin said outright that Obama was a Muslim terrorist, but it has been said over and over and over and over . . . and over and over that his religious and patriotic bona fides are suspect and the implication is very clear to everyone &#8212; obviously excepting yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdave - you cannot appeal to someone&#039;s higher sense of decency unless that sense of decency first exists within them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even as an atheist, I agree that using this image to visually equate the Bush administration to Pontius Pilate and his Roman soldiers torturing Christ is in exceptionally poor taste. It lacks the appropriate level of proportion, unless you want to assume equivalency between Christ and his Apostles and Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdave &#8211; you cannot appeal to someone&#39;s higher sense of decency unless that sense of decency first exists within them. </p>
<p>Even as an atheist, I agree that using this image to visually equate the Bush administration to Pontius Pilate and his Roman soldiers torturing Christ is in exceptionally poor taste. It lacks the appropriate level of proportion, unless you want to assume equivalency between Christ and his Apostles and Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida.</p>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Truly, you jest&lt;/i&gt; when you say that the McCain-Palin ticket claims that those supporting Sen. Obama &quot;support a Muslim terrorist for President.&quot; Do you have a YouTube clip of Sen. McCain saying this, maybe a Gov. Palin quote from a magazine article? About the closest you&#039;d be able to come are admittedly pathetic forwarded e-mails from who knows who, or maybe a Sean Hannity Fox News piece that goes over the top.  As you know - and as was satirized on SNL - a woman at a recent McCain rally suggested in a question-answer session that Sen. Obama was an &quot;Arab.&quot; Sen. McCain corrected her pointedly, publicly, and swiftly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please correct your misleading statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p><i>Truly, you jest</i> when you say that the McCain-Palin ticket claims that those supporting Sen. Obama &#8220;support a Muslim terrorist for President.&#8221; Do you have a YouTube clip of Sen. McCain saying this, maybe a Gov. Palin quote from a magazine article? About the closest you&#39;d be able to come are admittedly pathetic forwarded e-mails from who knows who, or maybe a Sean Hannity Fox News piece that goes over the top.  As you know &#8211; and as was satirized on SNL &#8211; a woman at a recent McCain rally suggested in a question-answer session that Sen. Obama was an &#8220;Arab.&#8221; Sen. McCain corrected her pointedly, publicly, and swiftly. </p>
<p>Please correct your misleading statement.</p>
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		<title>By: jdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought I made it clear that you are allowed and have every right to do exactly as you did.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I asked that you be more sensitive to things that some people find holy.  It isn&#039;t a matter of copyright, or legality.  It is a matter common decency and respect for the beliefs of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>I thought I made it clear that you are allowed and have every right to do exactly as you did.  </p>
<p>I asked that you be more sensitive to things that some people find holy.  It isn&#39;t a matter of copyright, or legality.  It is a matter common decency and respect for the beliefs of others.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, hopefully you&#039;ll calm down after the election (assuming McCain doesn&#039;t miraculously win).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The finger-pointing among ideological conservatives and partisan Republicans has been deliberately withheld at least since (and during) the Republican convention, but it and the frustration and the resentment and everything else is like a spring being compressed or stretched (tensioned) and the forces will be released shortly after the election.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to your depiction, it is Obama that is the blindly faithful&#039;s Messiah this year as well as so many&#039;s American Idol candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, hopefully you&#39;ll calm down after the election (assuming McCain doesn&#39;t miraculously win).</p>
<p>The finger-pointing among ideological conservatives and partisan Republicans has been deliberately withheld at least since (and during) the Republican convention, but it and the frustration and the resentment and everything else is like a spring being compressed or stretched (tensioned) and the forces will be released shortly after the election.</p>
<p>As to your depiction, it is Obama that is the blindly faithful&#39;s Messiah this year as well as so many&#39;s American Idol candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdave:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I appreciate your sensitivity, but find it off putting that you believe certain works of art in the public domain -- in this case a most famous one -- should not be allowed to be viewed except in a context that hews to your own strict parameters.  I have used not dissimilar images in posts on the Bush administration&#039;s embrace of torture and will continue to do so when appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdave:</p>
<p>I appreciate your sensitivity, but find it off putting that you believe certain works of art in the public domain &#8212; in this case a most famous one &#8212; should not be allowed to be viewed except in a context that hews to your own strict parameters.  I have used not dissimilar images in posts on the Bush administration&#39;s embrace of torture and will continue to do so when appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: jdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like what you write and things in general here at TMV.  I must take issue with you here though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To use this image in such a frivolous way is offensive to many devout Christians.  I don&#039;t want a theocracy.  I revere both Christ and the Establishment clause in the constitution as well as your free speech rights.  So while you have the right to say what you will about Christianity, I can also respectfully ask you to be more sensitive to the things we find holy.  Please remove this image immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>I like what you write and things in general here at TMV.  I must take issue with you here though.</p>
<p>To use this image in such a frivolous way is offensive to many devout Christians.  I don&#39;t want a theocracy.  I revere both Christ and the Establishment clause in the constitution as well as your free speech rights.  So while you have the right to say what you will about Christianity, I can also respectfully ask you to be more sensitive to the things we find holy.  Please remove this image immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: ktschiaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktschiaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the joke is on the American people who have been blinded by the spotlight shining upon their great deceptor, Obama.  Thank goodness, though, that folks are waking up as evidenced of those all around talking of how He won&#039;t ever just stick to the truth, but instead keeps changing it to suit his immediate needs.  You say he had a fleeting relationship with Ayers, but the truth is they have been friends for 20 years.  And what about his relationship withKhalidi.  Surely you wouldn&#039;t call that fleeting.  This man was the voice of the PLO and he babysat the Obama children.   I don&#039;t think the joke will be so funny for you when you finally wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the joke is on the American people who have been blinded by the spotlight shining upon their great deceptor, Obama.  Thank goodness, though, that folks are waking up as evidenced of those all around talking of how He won&#39;t ever just stick to the truth, but instead keeps changing it to suit his immediate needs.  You say he had a fleeting relationship with Ayers, but the truth is they have been friends for 20 years.  And what about his relationship withKhalidi.  Surely you wouldn&#39;t call that fleeting.  This man was the voice of the PLO and he babysat the Obama children.   I don&#39;t think the joke will be so funny for you when you finally wake up.</p>
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