Comments on: If Obama Wins… ‘The country I grew up in will be no more’ http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 07:46:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Bring It On! » Blog Archive » Washington Swings Like the Pendulum Do http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161152 Bring It On! » Blog Archive » Washington Swings Like the Pendulum Do Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:54:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161152 [...] If Obama Wins… ‘The country I grew up in will be no more’ [...] [...] If Obama Wins… ‘The country I grew up in will be no more’ [...]

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161079 AustinRoth Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:48:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161079 And the other MSM doesn't lie for the left? <br><br>Rathergate. Palin's daughter is really her grandchild. And so on. one person's lie is another's 'overaggressive' reporting. The truth is ALL of the MSM, left and right, have been heading towards more and more direct advocacy. I still say there is nothing wrong with this, but it has to be acknowledged and admitted is all.<br><br>Anyway, as I said before, the MSM (which Fox is part of) just isn't part of my daily life, and many other people I know. They are slowly (or not so slowing) dying in front of our eyes. Of course, my circle is admittedly skewed towards technically oriented people.<br><br>As for the Rush comment, anyone that listens to him for other than the amusement factor (similar to the reason to listen to Stern) probably wasn't a bright bulb to begin with, so not sure how much Rush could do to reduce their political IQ. And the other MSM doesn't lie for the left?

Rathergate. Palin's daughter is really her grandchild. And so on. one person's lie is another's 'overaggressive' reporting. The truth is ALL of the MSM, left and right, have been heading towards more and more direct advocacy. I still say there is nothing wrong with this, but it has to be acknowledged and admitted is all.

Anyway, as I said before, the MSM (which Fox is part of) just isn't part of my daily life, and many other people I know. They are slowly (or not so slowing) dying in front of our eyes. Of course, my circle is admittedly skewed towards technically oriented people.

As for the Rush comment, anyone that listens to him for other than the amusement factor (similar to the reason to listen to Stern) probably wasn't a bright bulb to begin with, so not sure how much Rush could do to reduce their political IQ.

]]> By: jdave http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161023 jdave Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:41:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161023 Oh, and I've seen more than a few people who's thinking ability has been utterly ruined by Limbaugh, O'Rielley, et al. It is very, very sad. You might argue that people are ruined by the MSM too, but that doesn't make Fox right. Oh, and I've seen more than a few people who's thinking ability has been utterly ruined by Limbaugh, O'Rielley, et al. It is very, very sad. You might argue that people are ruined by the MSM too, but that doesn't make Fox right.

]]> By: jdave http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161022 jdave Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:39:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161022 Austin: I agree that MSM is biased left. You argue as if that justifies Fox outright lying that they are fair and unbalanced. I'd like to see a counterbalance for the MSM, but Fox is terrible. People could go to Douthat, or Larisen, or Dreher, or.... but they aren't on TV. Austin: I agree that MSM is biased left. You argue as if that justifies Fox outright lying that they are fair and unbalanced. I'd like to see a counterbalance for the MSM, but Fox is terrible. People could go to Douthat, or Larisen, or Dreher, or…. but they aren't on TV.

]]> By: Lit3Bolt http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161020 Lit3Bolt Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:36:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161020 "And the Left does not like nor tolerate dissenting points of views. Look at the academic speech rules and attitudes towards Right-leaning speakers on campuses around the country."<br><br>Just get ready for more of this. Now that Democrats have actual, y'know, power, the black helicopters have begun to circle all of our houses again. <br><br>People, this is why you should be against sweeping stuff like the Patriot Act. Period. Does anyone on the Right feel safe and secure now that The Glorious and Ascended Worker's Great Leader can listen to your voicemail? I thought not.<br><br>And the pendulum swings... “And the Left does not like nor tolerate dissenting points of views. Look at the academic speech rules and attitudes towards Right-leaning speakers on campuses around the country.”

Just get ready for more of this. Now that Democrats have actual, y'know, power, the black helicopters have begun to circle all of our houses again.

People, this is why you should be against sweeping stuff like the Patriot Act. Period. Does anyone on the Right feel safe and secure now that The Glorious and Ascended Worker's Great Leader can listen to your voicemail? I thought not.

And the pendulum swings…

]]> By: ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-161007 ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:32:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-161007 AustinRoth,<br>You are breath of fresh air here... thanks for your posts. :) AustinRoth,
You are breath of fresh air here… thanks for your posts. :)

]]> By: Slamfu http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160974 Slamfu Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:07:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160974 LOL I just read that fictional letter from 2012. If that doesn't just sum up conservative worldview in a nutshell I don't know what does. I've saved it so we can bring it out 4 years from now and laugh at it. Every paranoid nightmare the right can dream up is on that one, and this is the problem with their political philosophy. It has only tenuous connection with the real world, more of an endless list of shadows to jump at so the power players can make the base dance to whatever tune they are playing that day. The scary thing is that pure fantasy like this is gospel for many voters. LOL I just read that fictional letter from 2012. If that doesn't just sum up conservative worldview in a nutshell I don't know what does. I've saved it so we can bring it out 4 years from now and laugh at it. Every paranoid nightmare the right can dream up is on that one, and this is the problem with their political philosophy. It has only tenuous connection with the real world, more of an endless list of shadows to jump at so the power players can make the base dance to whatever tune they are playing that day. The scary thing is that pure fantasy like this is gospel for many voters.

]]> By: Slamfu http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160962 Slamfu Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:31:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160962 I'm not a big fan of Ayn Rand's books, but this entire situation reminds me of the end of Atlas Shrugged. Basically the bad guys have run such horrible policies for so long under the mistaken belief that the system can run on pure BS that it is all finally catching up to them. The bad guys actually have to face the fact their way of running things just doesn't work, and even in the face of incontrovertible proof to verify. Except instead of evil liberals undermining the world's conservatives the shoe is on the other foot. <br><br>Anyone who thinks neocons still have even a shred of a clue how to run this country, please raise your hand. I put mine down back in 2001. I'm not a big fan of Ayn Rand's books, but this entire situation reminds me of the end of Atlas Shrugged. Basically the bad guys have run such horrible policies for so long under the mistaken belief that the system can run on pure BS that it is all finally catching up to them. The bad guys actually have to face the fact their way of running things just doesn't work, and even in the face of incontrovertible proof to verify. Except instead of evil liberals undermining the world's conservatives the shoe is on the other foot.

Anyone who thinks neocons still have even a shred of a clue how to run this country, please raise your hand. I put mine down back in 2001.

]]> By: RememberNovember http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160944 RememberNovember Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:33:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160944 wake me up when Nov 4th is over, lol.<br>Already, registered voters in Georgia, who have been documented citizen voters have been purged from the rolls, and to add insult got sent notice to the fact postmarked after the deadline to submit proof of citizenship. Not neccessarily illegal, but shenanigans nonetheless. wake me up when Nov 4th is over, lol.
Already, registered voters in Georgia, who have been documented citizen voters have been purged from the rolls, and to add insult got sent notice to the fact postmarked after the deadline to submit proof of citizenship. Not neccessarily illegal, but shenanigans nonetheless.

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160940 AustinRoth Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:12:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160940 And over 90% of the other network's staff contribute exclusivly to the Left, the Democrats, and Obama. To argue that the other networks are in the tank for Obama is just silly.<br><br>I see nothing wrong, bwt, with biased press. It has always really been that way throughout history, except for a short period where they have pretended to be unbiased.<br><br>Let them stay biased - just admit it! But in the arrogance of the Left, they truly believe that their viewpoint is the only valid one, and therefore Left-leaning news is 'balanced'. <br><br>And the Left does not like nor tolerate dissenting points of views. Look at the academic speech rules and attitudes towards Right-leaning speakers on campuses around the country. And over 90% of the other network's staff contribute exclusivly to the Left, the Democrats, and Obama. To argue that the other networks are in the tank for Obama is just silly.

I see nothing wrong, bwt, with biased press. It has always really been that way throughout history, except for a short period where they have pretended to be unbiased.

Let them stay biased – just admit it! But in the arrogance of the Left, they truly believe that their viewpoint is the only valid one, and therefore Left-leaning news is 'balanced'.

And the Left does not like nor tolerate dissenting points of views. Look at the academic speech rules and attitudes towards Right-leaning speakers on campuses around the country.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160936 ChrisWWW Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160936 AR,<br>No other major US news outlet comes close to the systemic bias at Fox News. On MSNBC, for every hour of Maddow or Olbermann, you get 1.5 hours of Joe Scarborough. On CNN you've got the odious Glenn Beck. The broadcast networks are nothing but conventional wisdom amplifiers. <br><br>But on Fox News, everyone - besides Alan Colmes - is a conservative. The president of Fox News, Roger Ailes, is a notorious conservative propaganda guru who worked for Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Giuliani. AR,
No other major US news outlet comes close to the systemic bias at Fox News. On MSNBC, for every hour of Maddow or Olbermann, you get 1.5 hours of Joe Scarborough. On CNN you've got the odious Glenn Beck. The broadcast networks are nothing but conventional wisdom amplifiers.

But on Fox News, everyone – besides Alan Colmes – is a conservative. The president of Fox News, Roger Ailes, is a notorious conservative propaganda guru who worked for Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Giuliani.

]]> By: About that 'Liberal Tsunami' http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160947 About that 'Liberal Tsunami' Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:42:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160947 [...] 27th, 2008 By JOE WINDISH, Technology Editor Earlier I quoted Sadie Fields of the Georgia Christian Alliance turning out conservative Christians for the [...] [...] 27th, 2008 By JOE WINDISH, Technology Editor Earlier I quoted Sadie Fields of the Georgia Christian Alliance turning out conservative Christians for the [...]

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160933 AustinRoth Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:26:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160933 "anyone who thinks Fox is legit, is not likely to exercise good objective analysis'<br><br>Got to disagree with that one, to. Anyone who is de-legitimizing Fox, which has an admittedly right slant to their coverage, is letting their own bias show. It is the same people (seems that includes you) who claiming the other news channels are not left-leaning at all; they are fully objective.<br><br>For myself, I honestly cannot remember the last time I sat down and watched the news. That is what my computer is for (and BTW, CNN is my default home page, and I counterbalance it (and TMV) with Instapundit and Drudge (no wisecracks there, either. There is not a newsroom in the US that doesn't have reporters and writers checking Drudge out). “anyone who thinks Fox is legit, is not likely to exercise good objective analysis'

Got to disagree with that one, to. Anyone who is de-legitimizing Fox, which has an admittedly right slant to their coverage, is letting their own bias show. It is the same people (seems that includes you) who claiming the other news channels are not left-leaning at all; they are fully objective.

For myself, I honestly cannot remember the last time I sat down and watched the news. That is what my computer is for (and BTW, CNN is my default home page, and I counterbalance it (and TMV) with Instapundit and Drudge (no wisecracks there, either. There is not a newsroom in the US that doesn't have reporters and writers checking Drudge out).

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160929 Rudi Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:39:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160929 <blockquote>Opposes voluntary prayer in schools;</blockquote><br>Yes lets go back to this, "separate but equal" schools and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Integrity_Act_of_1924">Real Loving</a>

Opposes voluntary prayer in schools;

Yes lets go back to this, “separate but equal” schools and Real Loving

]]> By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160925 kritt11 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:29:48 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160925 Gotta agree with Ron- but the most noticeable change came after the 8 years of Bush 43--- so Sadie-since 9/11, the country you grew up in has been no more! Gotta agree with Ron- but the most noticeable change came after the 8 years of Bush 43— so Sadie-since 9/11, the country you grew up in has been no more!

]]> By: jdave http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160922 jdave Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:16:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160922 Austin: Dude! I did not say that they got their craziest ideas from Fox. We probably agree here: believing rumors and anything they read on the web that reinforces their unspoken objections, etc. What I meant to imply (poorly it seems) I will now make explicit: anyone who thinks Fox is legit, is not likely to exercise good objective analysis. Austin: Dude! I did not say that they got their craziest ideas from Fox. We probably agree here: believing rumors and anything they read on the web that reinforces their unspoken objections, etc. What I meant to imply (poorly it seems) I will now make explicit: anyone who thinks Fox is legit, is not likely to exercise good objective analysis.

]]> By: PattonGuy http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160915 PattonGuy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160915 Did you perhaps see James Dobson's..um...<a href=http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000008495.cfm>interesting prediction</a> of what the US will be like in 2012? Heh, you stay classy, Jimmy! Did you perhaps see James Dobson's..um…interesting prediction of what the US will be like in 2012? Heh, you stay classy, Jimmy!

]]> By: Ron Beasley http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160913 Ron Beasley Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:22:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160913 The country I grew up in (I'm 62) is no more after Reagan and two Bushs. I remember a country that had a strong economy driven by a strong middle class(customers). The country I grew up in (I'm 62) is no more after Reagan and two Bushs. I remember a country that had a strong economy driven by a strong middle class(customers).

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160906 AustinRoth Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:34:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160906 jdave - good God. "They do, however, get ALL their news from Fox." Yes, that is right. Fox news leads nightly with accusations that Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist, and a child molester as well. They are the sole source of all anti-Obama rumors and innuendo.<br><br>Reality check time. Anyone that believes he is Muslim, or a terrorist, or a Marxist (as compared to a closet socialist, which has much more traction based on his own speeches and words, but that is beside the point) is NOT getting that from the MSM, not even the evil Fox network.<br><br>They are getting it from the usual source of stupid and fully debunked rumors - word of mouth, spam mailings and emails, etc. Plus, they choose to believe that crap in the face of indisputable contrary evidence. That makes them self-ignorant everyday people, who are grasping for reasons to mask their true objections, whether it is he is black, has a funny name, has an academic background, or whatever. jdave – good God. “They do, however, get ALL their news from Fox.” Yes, that is right. Fox news leads nightly with accusations that Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist, and a child molester as well. They are the sole source of all anti-Obama rumors and innuendo.

Reality check time. Anyone that believes he is Muslim, or a terrorist, or a Marxist (as compared to a closet socialist, which has much more traction based on his own speeches and words, but that is beside the point) is NOT getting that from the MSM, not even the evil Fox network.

They are getting it from the usual source of stupid and fully debunked rumors – word of mouth, spam mailings and emails, etc. Plus, they choose to believe that crap in the face of indisputable contrary evidence. That makes them self-ignorant everyday people, who are grasping for reasons to mask their true objections, whether it is he is black, has a funny name, has an academic background, or whatever.

]]> By: RememberNovember http://themoderatevoice.com/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-160904 RememberNovember Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:14:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/social-conservatives/23796/if-obama-wins-%e2%80%98the-country-i-grew-up-in-will-be-no-more%e2%80%99/#comment-160904 "Combine a President Obama, a Democrat-controlled Congress, and appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court — the country I grew up in will be no more."<br><br>Yeah it would be damn shame to lose that white-entitledist, segragationist, anti-immigrant whitebread gingham picket fence world where the wife dutifully mixes pipe smoking dad a gin and tonic and brings him slippers as he reads the sports page...never mind the real world. I thought this mentality died out with McCarthy- why didn't we hang the bastard for treason?????? “Combine a President Obama, a Democrat-controlled Congress, and appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court — the country I grew up in will be no more.”

Yeah it would be damn shame to lose that white-entitledist, segragationist, anti-immigrant whitebread gingham picket fence world where the wife dutifully mixes pipe smoking dad a gin and tonic and brings him slippers as he reads the sports page…never mind the real world. I thought this mentality died out with McCarthy- why didn't we hang the bastard for treason??????

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