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	<title>Comments on: Right Wingers Already Partying Like It&#8217;s 2012</title>
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		<title>By: AsherJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsherJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Palin candidacy might be a really good thing, as I suspect that could easily spell the complete demise of the Republican party, ala the Whigs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bad news: a short-term one party rule.&lt;br&gt;The good news: nature abhors a vacuum and a new party would form to advance the group interests that the Dems simply cannot advance, due to their current demographic base</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Palin candidacy might be a really good thing, as I suspect that could easily spell the complete demise of the Republican party, ala the Whigs.</p>
<p>The bad news: a short-term one party rule.<br />The good news: nature abhors a vacuum and a new party would form to advance the group interests that the Dems simply cannot advance, due to their current demographic base</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stockboy, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you really think the Pelosi, Reid, and Byrd will be able to turn off decades of political war to actually work with Republicans.  Any Repulbicans who works with the Obama Administration is begging to be stabbed in the back.  See what happened to the Bush ADministration on the Bipartisan NCLB. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Republicans would be better off matching every Democratic proposal with one of their own and force every Democrat and especially the blue dog Democrats to vote against real conservative bills and for bills favored by groups like the CBC. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course one of the Republican bills would have a chance of passing but asking question, making proposals, and offer real criticiswm would go much further to advancing conservative policy and being stabbed in the back by the Democrats. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, no matter how badly the Obama Administration performs, Obama will get the same level of support from blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, government employees, and elite whites that he will get this year.  So there is no chance of him losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stockboy, </p>
<p>Do you really think the Pelosi, Reid, and Byrd will be able to turn off decades of political war to actually work with Republicans.  Any Repulbicans who works with the Obama Administration is begging to be stabbed in the back.  See what happened to the Bush ADministration on the Bipartisan NCLB. </p>
<p>The Republicans would be better off matching every Democratic proposal with one of their own and force every Democrat and especially the blue dog Democrats to vote against real conservative bills and for bills favored by groups like the CBC. </p>
<p>Of course one of the Republican bills would have a chance of passing but asking question, making proposals, and offer real criticiswm would go much further to advancing conservative policy and being stabbed in the back by the Democrats. </p>
<p>Also, no matter how badly the Obama Administration performs, Obama will get the same level of support from blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, government employees, and elite whites that he will get this year.  So there is no chance of him losing.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama wins this race, the key to his reelection will be the Republicans.... given that we are headed into what will be a long and deep recession the Republican media folks (Hannity, Rush, etc.) will crucify Obama for  everything he does.  He will not be re-elected unless he really does reach across party lines and have the backing of moderate Republicans.  To be clear:  I&#039;m not talking about Republican backing in his re-election, I refer to Republicans such as Lugar, Hagel, etc. working with him on his policies (and Obama working with them on their policies and needs, too).  Sensible Republicans need to standup and say that Obama&#039;s plans make sense (or that Obama has given due consideration and incorporates policies important to Republicans).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want to hear about the Republicans being a dead party and they have no influence.  Rush, Hannity, etc. wield enormous influence and will remain relevant even if their party is out for the time being.  Remember many people thought the Dems were dead in 2004.  What a difference four years makes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama wins this race, the key to his reelection will be the Republicans&#8230;. given that we are headed into what will be a long and deep recession the Republican media folks (Hannity, Rush, etc.) will crucify Obama for  everything he does.  He will not be re-elected unless he really does reach across party lines and have the backing of moderate Republicans.  To be clear:  I&#39;m not talking about Republican backing in his re-election, I refer to Republicans such as Lugar, Hagel, etc. working with him on his policies (and Obama working with them on their policies and needs, too).  Sensible Republicans need to standup and say that Obama&#39;s plans make sense (or that Obama has given due consideration and incorporates policies important to Republicans).  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t want to hear about the Republicans being a dead party and they have no influence.  Rush, Hannity, etc. wield enormous influence and will remain relevant even if their party is out for the time being.  Remember many people thought the Dems were dead in 2004.  What a difference four years makes.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jchem, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jchem, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: far_left</title>
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		<dc:creator>far_left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting video that says more than my comment could:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm&quot;&gt;http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm&lt;/a&gt;... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the controversy is here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/22/together-w&quot;&gt;http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/22/together-w&lt;/a&gt;... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/17/does-anyon&quot;&gt;http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/17/does-anyon&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s an interesting video that says more than my comment could:</p>
<p><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm">http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>And the controversy is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/22/together-w">http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/22/together-w</a>&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/17/does-anyon">http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/17/does-anyon</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PWT: &lt;i&gt;Whoever runs against him in 2012, will win easily - and mark my words, the person running aginst him will be Mrs. Palin.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider your words marked. Good luck with your prediction. And just so you know, I don&#039;t share it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PWT: <i>Whoever runs against him in 2012, will win easily &#8211; and mark my words, the person running aginst him will be Mrs. Palin.</i></p>
<p>Consider your words marked. Good luck with your prediction. And just so you know, I don&#39;t share it.</p>
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		<title>By: PWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will be Carter II, the sequel.  Even with a dominant majority in congress, he will be ineffective.  Whoever runs against him in 2012, will win easily - and mark my words, the person running aginst him will be Mrs. Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will be Carter II, the sequel.  Even with a dominant majority in congress, he will be ineffective.  Whoever runs against him in 2012, will win easily &#8211; and mark my words, the person running aginst him will be Mrs. Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: PattonGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PattonGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, and I thought &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; election was long.  And now people are already talking about 2012?  Blah blah blah, I can&#039;t hear you!  Seriously, at least have the decency to wait until after Election Day.  I do agree with the above comments to the effect that Sarah Palin would not get enough support, in all likelihood, to get her far at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, and I thought <i>this</i> election was long.  And now people are already talking about 2012?  Blah blah blah, I can&#39;t hear you!  Seriously, at least have the decency to wait until after Election Day.  I do agree with the above comments to the effect that Sarah Palin would not get enough support, in all likelihood, to get her far at all.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who runs for president as a Repulbican in 2012 is an idiot.  short of Obama being caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, he will assuredly be reelected.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;so the next relevant question in presidential politics is will Obama hand pick someone to replace him in 2016 or will the Democrats have a wide open primary season in 2016.  Given the collapse of the Republican party, the presidential election in 2016 could be over by super Tuesday.  If the Democratic nominee and almost certain winner in 2016 is not Obama&#039;s handpicked successor, the U.S. could be facing the longest presidential transition ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who runs for president as a Repulbican in 2012 is an idiot.  short of Obama being caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, he will assuredly be reelected.  </p>
<p>so the next relevant question in presidential politics is will Obama hand pick someone to replace him in 2016 or will the Democrats have a wide open primary season in 2016.  Given the collapse of the Republican party, the presidential election in 2016 could be over by super Tuesday.  If the Democratic nominee and almost certain winner in 2016 is not Obama&#39;s handpicked successor, the U.S. could be facing the longest presidential transition ever.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin may run in 2012, but she wouldn&#039;t even make it past the early Republican primaries. Her 15 minutes will be long used up by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin may run in 2012, but she wouldn&#39;t even make it past the early Republican primaries. Her 15 minutes will be long used up by then.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lit3Bolt, I don&#039;t think McCain can do much help downticket, not with all of the reported infighting and resume tossing going on.  And with more and more Repub loyalists jumping the ship on him it seems to me that the party establishment is already beginning to look at him as toxic goods.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;StockBoySF: &quot;The power of idiots acting together is amazing.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That may be the smartest thing I have heard all morning and it seems to summarize a good portion of this election season.  Congress seems to come to mind as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lit3Bolt, I don&#39;t think McCain can do much help downticket, not with all of the reported infighting and resume tossing going on.  And with more and more Repub loyalists jumping the ship on him it seems to me that the party establishment is already beginning to look at him as toxic goods.</p>
<p>StockBoySF: &#8220;The power of idiots acting together is amazing.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be the smartest thing I have heard all morning and it seems to summarize a good portion of this election season.  Congress seems to come to mind as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact I was listening to interviews of people at a Palin rally and that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; what they were saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact I was listening to interviews of people at a Palin rally and that&#39;s <i>exactly</i> what they were saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FuzzyFace,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;     The comment does not refer to &quot;the right&quot; but a segment of the &lt;b&gt;far&lt;/b&gt; right. They exist and they have a disproportionate influence in the current GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FuzzyFace,</p>
<p>     The comment does not refer to &#8220;the right&#8221; but a segment of the <b>far</b> right. They exist and they have a disproportionate influence in the current GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lit3Bolt:  &quot;No one in their right mind seriously considers Palin a serious contender&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one in their right mind seriously considered Palin to be on McCain&#039;s shortlist, and yet there she was.  The power of idiots acting together is amazing.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I agree with you, no one in their right mind would consider Palin to be a serious contender in 2012.  Besides she has all these scandals and the fact that she supported the AIP as governor (even if she was not a member, she still spoke at their convention and told them they were doing a good job) should be a deal breaker for everyone in this country.  But then again there are those idiots who just don&#039;t think....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lit3Bolt:  &#8220;No one in their right mind seriously considers Palin a serious contender&#8221;.</p>
<p>No one in their right mind seriously considered Palin to be on McCain&#39;s shortlist, and yet there she was.  The power of idiots acting together is amazing.  </p>
<p>But I agree with you, no one in their right mind would consider Palin to be a serious contender in 2012.  Besides she has all these scandals and the fact that she supported the AIP as governor (even if she was not a member, she still spoke at their convention and told them they were doing a good job) should be a deal breaker for everyone in this country.  But then again there are those idiots who just don&#39;t think&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FuzzyFace</title>
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		<dc:creator>FuzzyFace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For them abortion, gays and stem-cell research are the big issues&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I cannot think of another comment that more clearly demonstrates the big disconnect between what the right thinks and what the left believes the right thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For them abortion, gays and stem-cell research are the big issues&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot think of another comment that more clearly demonstrates the big disconnect between what the right thinks and what the left believes the right thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that is what is going on. That is why Palin herself said she has &quot;nothing to lose&quot;---uh how about the &#039;08 election? It is also why there is such a divergence of position btwn the candidate and his VP. Palin is building up her national recognition factor and street cred with the GOP powerhorses. We have not seen the last of her by a mile- so Tina Fey--- keep that nifty red suit after 11-5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that is what is going on. That is why Palin herself said she has &#8220;nothing to lose&#8221;&#8212;uh how about the &#39;08 election? It is also why there is such a divergence of position btwn the candidate and his VP. Palin is building up her national recognition factor and street cred with the GOP powerhorses. We have not seen the last of her by a mile- so Tina Fey&#8212; keep that nifty red suit after 11-5</p>
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		<title>By: Lit3Bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lit3Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, the only reason Ambinder floated up that Palin in 2012 story is to have it shot down and utterly demolished.  No one in their right mind seriously considers Palin a serious contender, and she&#039;ll be toxic soup to GOP strategists and staffers and donors, the ones who really control the party.  She may end up being a pretty face for fundraising in the future, but plans of national office are simply laughable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also jchem, sure the election is &quot;over&quot; in every meaningful sense of the word, but McCain needs to help his party now on the downticket.  That&#039;s why you keep pretending until the fat lady sings that you can win.  Only 3rd party candidates candidly acknowledge they have no shot in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, the only reason Ambinder floated up that Palin in 2012 story is to have it shot down and utterly demolished.  No one in their right mind seriously considers Palin a serious contender, and she&#39;ll be toxic soup to GOP strategists and staffers and donors, the ones who really control the party.  She may end up being a pretty face for fundraising in the future, but plans of national office are simply laughable.</p>
<p>Also jchem, sure the election is &#8220;over&#8221; in every meaningful sense of the word, but McCain needs to help his party now on the downticket.  That&#39;s why you keep pretending until the fat lady sings that you can win.  Only 3rd party candidates candidly acknowledge they have no shot in hell.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Palin in 2012 won&#039;t happen because the people she gets fired up will no longer be in charge of the party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;For one thing, the 2008 election isn’t even over&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;C&#039;mon Shaun.  I think your most recent post says otherwise.  You know, what you have been calling the “McCain-Palin Trainwreck Excuse du Jour&quot;.  I don&#039;t believe for one minute that you honestly believe that McCain could pull this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Palin in 2012 won&#39;t happen because the people she gets fired up will no longer be in charge of the party.</p>
<p>&#8220;For one thing, the 2008 election isn’t even over&#8221;</p>
<p>C&#39;mon Shaun.  I think your most recent post says otherwise.  You know, what you have been calling the “McCain-Palin Trainwreck Excuse du Jour&#8221;.  I don&#39;t believe for one minute that you honestly believe that McCain could pull this out.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who are talking about Palin in 2012 are the same ones who were excited about George Allen for 2008 or Dan Quayle in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who are talking about Palin in 2012 are the same ones who were excited about George Allen for 2008 or Dan Quayle in 2000.</p>
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