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	<title>Comments on: Obama on Food; An Understanding of Systems</title>
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		<title>By: JWindish</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23733/obama-on-food-an-understanding-of-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-160529</link>
		<dc:creator>JWindish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silhouette, if you missed it you might enjoy reading Michael Pollan&#039;s piece last April, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/magazine/20wwln-lede-t.html&quot;&gt;Why Bother?&lt;/a&gt;, in which he argued that each of us should grow some of our own food. In it he cites the Victory Garden too:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You begin to see that growing even a little of your own food is, as Wendell Berry pointed out 30 years ago, one of those solutions that, instead of begetting a new set of problems — the way “solutions” like ethanol or nuclear power inevitably do — actually beget other solutions, and not only of the kind that save carbon. Still more valuable are the habits of mind that growing a little of your own food can yield. You quickly learn that you need not be dependent on specialists to provide for yourself — that your body is still good for something and may actually be enlisted in its own support. If the experts are right, if both oil and time are running out, these are skills and habits of mind we’re all very soon going to need. We may also need the food. Could gardens provide it? Well, during World War II, victory gardens supplied as much as 40 percent of the produce Americans ate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silhouette, if you missed it you might enjoy reading Michael Pollan&#39;s piece last April, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/magazine/20wwln-lede-t.html">Why Bother?</a>, in which he argued that each of us should grow some of our own food. In it he cites the Victory Garden too:<br />
<blockquote>You begin to see that growing even a little of your own food is, as Wendell Berry pointed out 30 years ago, one of those solutions that, instead of begetting a new set of problems — the way “solutions” like ethanol or nuclear power inevitably do — actually beget other solutions, and not only of the kind that save carbon. Still more valuable are the habits of mind that growing a little of your own food can yield. You quickly learn that you need not be dependent on specialists to provide for yourself — that your body is still good for something and may actually be enlisted in its own support. If the experts are right, if both oil and time are running out, these are skills and habits of mind we’re all very soon going to need. We may also need the food. Could gardens provide it? Well, during World War II, victory gardens supplied as much as 40 percent of the produce Americans ate.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand we could also try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popsci.com/cliff-kuang/article/2008-09/farming-sky&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand we could also try <a href="http://www.popsci.com/cliff-kuang/article/2008-09/farming-sky">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gichin13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gichin13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so many important interrelated concepts -- energy independence, better density style urban planning, removing transportation as much as possible from agriculture to reach towards village/town center concepts.  Very cool to see his intelligence and grasp applied in this direction, difficult to transition though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so many important interrelated concepts &#8212; energy independence, better density style urban planning, removing transportation as much as possible from agriculture to reach towards village/town center concepts.  Very cool to see his intelligence and grasp applied in this direction, difficult to transition though.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said before and I&#039;ll say it again.  Food will be the new focus for America.  It&#039;s what we have, besides cars, that the world MUST HAVE.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We need to break down huge mega-farms that are so dependant on fossil fuels and get them to alternative energy ASAP to run their farms.  Organic, intercropping and crop-rotation are just some of those solutions.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And we need to encourage victory gardens.  Anyone reading here old enough to remember what those are?  We need to have community farms and encourage less paving over of farmland.  Our rich topsoil areas will be our new wealth.  The same wealth we&#039;ve always had and decided to ignore in favor of urban sprawl..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said before and I&#39;ll say it again.  Food will be the new focus for America.  It&#39;s what we have, besides cars, that the world MUST HAVE.</p>
<p>So&#8230;</p>
<p>We need to break down huge mega-farms that are so dependant on fossil fuels and get them to alternative energy ASAP to run their farms.  Organic, intercropping and crop-rotation are just some of those solutions.  </p>
<p>And we need to encourage victory gardens.  Anyone reading here old enough to remember what those are?  We need to have community farms and encourage less paving over of farmland.  Our rich topsoil areas will be our new wealth.  The same wealth we&#39;ve always had and decided to ignore in favor of urban sprawl..</p>
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		<title>By: steims</title>
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		<dc:creator>steims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I am voting for Obama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I am voting for Obama</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone imagine GWB taking an interest in (or wrapping his mind around) this interrelated concept of agriculture, energy, security, health? What a contrast in minds! The possibility of having an alternative to the dreary &quot;leadership&quot; we&#039;ve suffered under for so long is like opening a window and feeling the first hint of fresh air come into a room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone imagine GWB taking an interest in (or wrapping his mind around) this interrelated concept of agriculture, energy, security, health? What a contrast in minds! The possibility of having an alternative to the dreary &#8220;leadership&#8221; we&#39;ve suffered under for so long is like opening a window and feeling the first hint of fresh air come into a room.</p>
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