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Is Civil Discourse on Life Support?

I would invite you to read your fill of The Lady Logician on this subject, please, on the day after the homes of a number of elected officials (both Democrat and Republican) had their homes defaced by vandals.

The electorate needs to grow up and learn how to disagree without being disagreeable. On MSR, we have a conservative, a libertarian and a liberal on the show and while we do disagree on a lot of issues, we still walk away as friends. It’s time to tone down the “election rage” and remember that we are all adults and we are all in this together. We can disagree….no we expect to disagree, but that does not mean that we need to be uncivil in the process.

This is the portion of the campaign where things always get more nasty than usual. We’ve observed it on both sides of the aisle, including friends of mine who are generally much better than that. We see cartoons and pictures of both major party candidates being regularly used which go beyond the normal editorial comment to the simply insulting and offense. (No… I’m not talking about “racist” cartoons. I’m talking about childish, insulting caricatures which offer no real political commentary, but simply seek to belittle the candidates.) But what we need to remember is that one of these two is going to be the president elect in a handful of days. And in January they will be sworn in as our next President. You don’t owe either of them your love and absolute agreement on their policies, but it would be nice if we could give the eventual winner the benefit of the doubt and at least allow them to restock the pens and pencils in the desk of the Oval Office before we start calling for their heads.

Cindy has lots more to say at the link above, and I invite you to take it in. Fight for your candidates – whoever they may be – right up to the last day. But also remember that we’re all still stuck here in this best of all possible worlds once the election is over and we’re going to have some serious challenges ahead of us. Whether it’s Obama or McCain, they are going to need some support through the trying times ahead.

  • It's hard to have civil discourse when one major political faction is convinced the other major political faction is nothing but socialist surrender-monkeys hell bent on electing a terrorist.
  • Freedom of speech is a great thing, but it is hard to not want to punch some people in the face for the sheer volume (in both senses of the word) of ignorant things they say. Usually it is the generalizations, oversimplifications and wide use of labeling and ad hominem attacks that signifies we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

    It's an aggravating and trying experience because on one hand you're looking forward to exercising democracy and upholding a tradition of equality for all, and on the other hand you're losing faith in humanity due to the sheer seething hatred and idiocy of your fellow American. By the end of the election cycle, it is hard to argue that no one is out there trying to "ruin America" because often the candidates are suggesting just that about their opponents & their opponents' supporters, and ordinary folks are hoping their guy will put you and people like you in your proper place.

    It is depressing.
  • jdave
    Dontcha think one could make a very good case that much of the blame can be laid at the feet of Rush Limbaugh and the Fox blowhards?

    20 yrs of that stuff, 10's of millions of people convinced that the only balanced news comes from them. 'Course it's gonna happen.
  • JMattM
    The craziness that is talk radio (both left and right) has much to do with the state of our political and civil discourse. We can't talk to each other because we don't know how to talk to each other anymore. It's all about who can out shout the other, and that's damn sad.

    I saw something on Sean Hannity's forum the other day:

    "In other words...'The arguments in this thread are expanding outside of the talking points I'm spewing. I'll come back later after I've regrouped and been told how to respond. Or, if there is no good answer, I'll just continue to ignore any points contradictory to my original point.' "

    I miss WFB's way of doing things..
  • jeff_pickens
    I agree with many who find it personally insulting as party-lines campaign on character assassination, smear tactics, label generalizations. (Does one un-named party come to mind, who have been using these tactics for the last 30 or so years?)

    But I don't mind the repercussions and embarrassment that happen when a party labels the opposing candidate (and thereby supporters) as "anti-American," or "terrorist supporting," or "soft on crime," or "non-supportive of the troops" --the list goes on. And I don't mind when main-stream media does the work, but am thankful for YouTube documentation as well. It's a lot more difficult to be "misunderstood" when you're documented on tape in the expanded context.

    I will applaud the day when someone who questions another person's "patriotism" or "love of country" will be called on the carpet. I've been sick of it for the last 8 years and I hope it comes back to the perpetrators in a landslide. Civil Discourse can evolve when demonization becomes a liability.
  • Chris - and one major party in this country thinks that the other party is just a bunch of baby killing, liars who are hell bent on turning this country into a theocracy....WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Other than making my point for me.....

    Lotus I agree it can be depressing but only if we choose to let it continue unabated.

    I don't know as we can lay this all at the feet of talk radio although some culpability could, I suppose be laid there. Talk radio was not around during Viet Nam when the lines were drawn between the "Love It or Leave It" crowd and the hippies. To say that it is "talk radios fault" ignores history. This attitude is more human nature than anything else - we all want our side to "win" and the other side to lose - heck you can see a variation of this any given Saturday or Sunday during the football season.

    It all boils down to our attitude about the other side. If you go around after an election that your guy lost with a "Not My President" bumper sticker on your car, odds are you are not going to treat anyone from that side with any respect. If you go around with a "My Country Love It Or Leave It" bumper sticker odds are that you are not going to treat the other side with any respect at all.

    Instead of making excuses we all need to start changing our own attitudes first. It's surprising how quickly others will follow.

    LL
  • Gichin13
    money post Jazz.

    We can disagree without being disagreeable to quote Obama. Both parties can spawn good ideas and bad, those of us in the middle need to focus on results.
  • JMattM
    LL,

    True. Sadly, it only works on a certain kind of person. I tried to be rational with my brother, step father, and other family members, but they all think Obama's a "pinko commie socialist anti-american a-hole" (i'm in Texas, so it's expected). Likewise, my liberal friends are screaming the HuffPo / Daily Kos / Michael Moore "Fascist" matras.

    It's extremely hard for people to change.
  • SteveK
    Then again, there's a party that has created (and has constantly reinforced) an acronym of their very own... RINO.

    Side bets on if RINO is understood in the Netherlands? :)
  • pacatrue
    Well, I'm going to give yet again one of my favorite quotes from C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity:

    "Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't so bad as that," or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if allowed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black."
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    Pacatrue,
    Gotta love C.S. Lewis! Such a wise statement he made, and I certainly believe it to be true. People often see things the way they "want" to see things. Personally, I'm voting for McCain, but I'd prefer to think there's a lot of good on the left side also, as they might soon be in control of the White House! I think we all have good in us and good intentions... if only we could look a little harder to find that within those we oppose.
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