Comments on: The ACORN Non-Issue http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 28 May 2012 21:59:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Zzzzz http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160491 Zzzzz Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:50:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160491 OK, DLS, shoot. Tell me about actual cases, not second hand nonesense, but actual cases of proven, prosecuted voter fraud. If it is your honest contention that ACORN has been biasing elections, then prove it. From what I've read, acusations of voter fraud from Republicans have been a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Thats why that attorney general in New Mexico was fired. The Bush administration wanted him to persecute cases of voter fraud (some other political cases) where there was NO MERIT / NO CASE / NOTHING. OK, DLS, shoot. Tell me about actual cases, not second hand nonesense, but actual cases of proven, prosecuted voter fraud. If it is your honest contention that ACORN has been biasing elections, then prove it. From what I've read, acusations of voter fraud from Republicans have been a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Thats why that attorney general in New Mexico was fired. The Bush administration wanted him to persecute cases of voter fraud (some other political cases) where there was NO MERIT / NO CASE / NOTHING.

]]> By: christoofar http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160489 christoofar Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:42:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160489 "On top of the vote fraud and almost-always hype or outright lies about "suppression" we have here to start a thread the most pathetic attempt at denial of ACORN's activities and its well-earned sordid _reputation_. [sigh]"<br> DLS - You seem incapable of distinguishing between voter REGISTRATION fraud , and VOTING fraud. And any links that support ACORN's "well-earned , long known,sordid reputation" you may have , please post them. You seem to have forgotten that it was ACORN themselves who discovered and reported the registration irregularities. “On top of the vote fraud and almost-always hype or outright lies about “suppression” we have here to start a thread the most pathetic attempt at denial of ACORN's activities and its well-earned sordid _reputation_. [sigh]“
DLS – You seem incapable of distinguishing between voter REGISTRATION fraud , and VOTING fraud. And any links that support ACORN's “well-earned , long known,sordid reputation” you may have , please post them. You seem to have forgotten that it was ACORN themselves who discovered and reported the registration irregularities.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160478 DLS Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:59:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160478 Chris, it is you who _frequently_ lack control, not I. (Others such as Elrod have lost emotional control lately; the stakes in this election aren't _that_ high, kids -- it is _not_ the most important election in a generation or more, despite what some fools may shriek.) Admittedly, sometimes the written word may be too difficult for some to glean everything that should be gleaned. ACORN is a long-known, notorious organization; its latest misconduct is obviously not a "non-issue" [sic] and calling it such only fools the stupid (and those who should know better, but robotically believe the Party Line).<br><br>As to what others have referred to, it's somewhere between 10-1 and (much closer to) 100-1 Dem-lib vote fraud versus _real_ GOP-con suppression, so often claimed when none exists, with the stupid appeal to emotion encapsulated by the term, "disenfranchisement."<br><br>On top of the vote fraud and almost-always hype or outright lies about "suppression" we have here to start a thread the most pathetic attempt at denial of ACORN's activities and its well-earned sordid _reputation_. [sigh]<br><br>Be diligent, Chris. You and your fellow militant lib-Dems be sure to show up and vote in person on the eleventh of next month! Chris, it is you who _frequently_ lack control, not I. (Others such as Elrod have lost emotional control lately; the stakes in this election aren't _that_ high, kids — it is _not_ the most important election in a generation or more, despite what some fools may shriek.) Admittedly, sometimes the written word may be too difficult for some to glean everything that should be gleaned. ACORN is a long-known, notorious organization; its latest misconduct is obviously not a “non-issue” [sic] and calling it such only fools the stupid (and those who should know better, but robotically believe the Party Line).

As to what others have referred to, it's somewhere between 10-1 and (much closer to) 100-1 Dem-lib vote fraud versus _real_ GOP-con suppression, so often claimed when none exists, with the stupid appeal to emotion encapsulated by the term, “disenfranchisement.”

On top of the vote fraud and almost-always hype or outright lies about “suppression” we have here to start a thread the most pathetic attempt at denial of ACORN's activities and its well-earned sordid _reputation_. [sigh]

Be diligent, Chris. You and your fellow militant lib-Dems be sure to show up and vote in person on the eleventh of next month!

]]> By: EEllis http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160474 EEllis Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160474 The biggest problem isn't the actions themselves. Lets face it the higher ups new and condoned the activity by their failure to do anything about it. That aside everybody makes mistakes and they say they are trying to fix thing so OK until I hear different I'll go with that. The evasion of responsibility and the whining that it's just a repub smear is getting more than a bit old. It emphasizes their obvious partisan nature and makes me less and less happy that my tax dollars help pay for their operations. The biggest problem isn't the actions themselves. Lets face it the higher ups new and condoned the activity by their failure to do anything about it. That aside everybody makes mistakes and they say they are trying to fix thing so OK until I hear different I'll go with that. The evasion of responsibility and the whining that it's just a repub smear is getting more than a bit old. It emphasizes their obvious partisan nature and makes me less and less happy that my tax dollars help pay for their operations.

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160471 AustinRoth Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:35:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160471 Hey guys - I am NOT saying the Republicans are not doing dirty tricks, too. <br><br>Just today in the Austin American Statesman there was an article about emails going around telling people that if they vote 'straight party ticket', they still need to vote separately for the Presidential candidate. There was even a person at Supermarket handing out fliers saying that (in a predominantly Democratic area, of course). The reality is (in Texas) if you vote the 'straight party ticket' check box, then vote for individual races, you ballot is spoiled and void! There have been reports of this across the entire state.<br><br>My point was, by the criteria we are applying to ACORN, why, this is just the work of a bunch over over-zealous individuals, who by the purest of circumstances happen to be doing the exact same thing! Nothing coordinated, though, of course.<br><br>And to one other point raised. Why register hundreds of thousands of bogus voters nationwide, if not to use those registrations for, say, bused in illegal immigrants and/or out-of-state and otherwise unqualified voters? Shocked, you say, that I could even imply the Democrats capable of such actions? Then you don't know your party's history. Hey guys – I am NOT saying the Republicans are not doing dirty tricks, too.

Just today in the Austin American Statesman there was an article about emails going around telling people that if they vote 'straight party ticket', they still need to vote separately for the Presidential candidate. There was even a person at Supermarket handing out fliers saying that (in a predominantly Democratic area, of course). The reality is (in Texas) if you vote the 'straight party ticket' check box, then vote for individual races, you ballot is spoiled and void! There have been reports of this across the entire state.

My point was, by the criteria we are applying to ACORN, why, this is just the work of a bunch over over-zealous individuals, who by the purest of circumstances happen to be doing the exact same thing! Nothing coordinated, though, of course.

And to one other point raised. Why register hundreds of thousands of bogus voters nationwide, if not to use those registrations for, say, bused in illegal immigrants and/or out-of-state and otherwise unqualified voters? Shocked, you say, that I could even imply the Democrats capable of such actions? Then you don't know your party's history.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160466 ChrisWWW Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:48:43 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160466 <blockquote>Lesson #1: Vote fraud and other crimes by ACORN...</blockquote><br>DLS,<br>You couldn't even make it past the first line before you went mad as a hatter. ACORN is not accused of committing <b>vote</b> fraud. They are accused of submitting false voter <b>registrations</b>. The two are miles apart, and you're either ignorant or being dishonest. Feel free to retract...

Lesson #1: Vote fraud and other crimes by ACORN…

DLS,
You couldn't even make it past the first line before you went mad as a hatter. ACORN is not accused of committing vote fraud. They are accused of submitting false voter registrations. The two are miles apart, and you're either ignorant or being dishonest. Feel free to retract…

]]> By: davigoli http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160456 davigoli Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:44:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160456 @Austin - The Republican Party has actively worked in several states by hiring legal teams to try and throw out voter registrations on the recently foreclosed, and to stop early voting in heavily Democratic areas of Ohio and Indiana. It's not even comparable. The Republicans are actively and officially making voter suppression a tactic in their campaign. @Austin – The Republican Party has actively worked in several states by hiring legal teams to try and throw out voter registrations on the recently foreclosed, and to stop early voting in heavily Democratic areas of Ohio and Indiana. It's not even comparable. The Republicans are actively and officially making voter suppression a tactic in their campaign.

]]> By: JMattM http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160454 JMattM Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:40:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160454 Steims shoots....AND THAT'S THE GAME! Steims shoots….AND THAT'S THE GAME!

]]> By: lotusflwr http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160452 lotusflwr Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:31:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160452 Thank you steims! You posted more succinctly and elegantly than what I can muster up at this stage. Thank you steims! You posted more succinctly and elegantly than what I can muster up at this stage.

]]> By: steims http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160434 steims Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160434 Although Austin, you have to recognize that there is a difference between illegitimate registration cards being turned in to state election officials, as required by law, which do not turn into actual voter fraud, and the active suppression of legitimate voters which is a favorite republican tactic in low income, minority neighborhoods. Although Austin, you have to recognize that there is a difference between illegitimate registration cards being turned in to state election officials, as required by law, which do not turn into actual voter fraud, and the active suppression of legitimate voters which is a favorite republican tactic in low income, minority neighborhoods.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160431 DLS Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:42:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160431 Lesson #1: Vote fraud and other crimes by ACORN (in addition to their lunatic far-left politics) need to be "defended" [sic] by better propaganda than your sub-50-IQ appeal, which only your fellow faithful will believe instinctively without reasoning.<br><br>What's next, the JFK assassination "non-issue" [sic]? Lesson #1: Vote fraud and other crimes by ACORN (in addition to their lunatic far-left politics) need to be “defended” [sic] by better propaganda than your sub-50-IQ appeal, which only your fellow faithful will believe instinctively without reasoning.

What's next, the JFK assassination “non-issue” [sic]?

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-160428 AustinRoth Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:32:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/23727/the-acorn-non-issue/#comment-160428 I am sure you will give the same benefit of the doubt to local Republican-affiliated operatives when reports of their shenanigans come out - nothing coordinated, just a shear coincidence of the same type of activities by multiple groups of people in multiple locations across the country working for the same umbrella organization.<br><br>Move along you looky-loos, nothing to see here. I am sure you will give the same benefit of the doubt to local Republican-affiliated operatives when reports of their shenanigans come out – nothing coordinated, just a shear coincidence of the same type of activities by multiple groups of people in multiple locations across the country working for the same umbrella organization.

Move along you looky-loos, nothing to see here.

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