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Recap of the Last Debate

We just finished up the last presidential debate, and right off the bat I will say that one of the real winners here was Bob Schieffer. As a moderator, he opened up the flood gates and gave both candidates the chance to get into some real back and forth. He also brought up some of the domestic issues which we have not seen in previous debates, including the abortion question. I wish he had also brought up Second Amendment questions, but I suppose there isn’t time for everything.

As to the candidates, this was McCain’s best performance of the three by a wide margin. Two of his biggest hitting points were saying that if Obama wanted to run against Bush he should have done so four years ago and the entire “Joe the Plumber line.” [EDIT: I originally wrote "Bob the Plumber" and was incorrect, as pointed out by a reader.] For the first, it seemed to defuse some of Obama’s trademark path of blaming the Bush tenure on the GOP and McCain by association and claims of a “second Bush term.” When McCain mentioned the Joe the Plumber line, I don’t know how many people aside from political addicts knew who he was talking about, but he got Obama into a corner and managed to make him speak to “Joe.” This worked to McCain’s advantage.

If McCain stumbled at all, it was when he seemed to feel that he had Obama on the ropes and kept on hitting him with a bit of a smirk on his face. He needed to take care not to look angry, and he treaded that thin line, but at the end I believe he managed it. McCain went on the attack without looking angry our out of control.

For his part, Obama seemed to be trying to coast on his polling lead and didn’t want to fight back. He was very much wonkish throughout, which may work with some voters, but tends to make eyes glaze over. He was strong on his policy points, but again, it got a bit tedious.

The two major stumbling points for McCain were when he brought up Bill Ayers and the Supreme Court nominations. The Ayers attack just seemed to ring hollow and Obama batted it away fairly easily. On the Supreme Court, McCain claimed to not want a “litmus test” but then turned around and said that anyone who supported Roe vs Wade would fail to reach the bar of competence. In other abortion matters, however, McCain had Obama on the ropes.

In the end? I give this one to McCain. He was aggressive, solid, competent and on his game. They both looked presidential, but McCain seemed able (for the first time) to play the part of the elder statesman schooling the new kid on the block. Was it enough to sway the minds of undecided or marginal voters? Time is short but we shall see. I do believe that McCain did everything he could possibly do to turn this thing around.

  • CStanley
    One can always Monday morning quarterback these things, so I could certainly say that McCain missed a few opportunities...but I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion, Jazz.

    McCain had Obama on defense most of the night. The only problem is that Obama has become good at playing defense (he responded smoothly to all of the blows) and he didn't need to put points on the board tonight so it wasn't really a loss for him even though McCain did about as well as possible.
  • HappySurge
    It's "Joe the Plumber." Maybe it says more about your analysis that you couldn't remember a name put forward about 90 times in a debate. Maybe if I watched the debated as closely as that, I'd also think John McCain was the winner...
  • HappySurge
    For the record, Bob was a builder. Joe was a plumber.
  • Jazz, I think we both agree that McCain was able to control the debate, but we reach ed different conclusions. As I said on Why We Worry, I think this debate was pretty much a replay of the dynamics of the first debate. McCain controlled it, but at the cost of being a jerk.

    That attitude didn't work for McCain with voters in debate 1, so I doubt it will work this time.
  • Absolutely right, Happy. I'll fix that. It's not excuse, but I was also moderating a live chat with 1500 people in it during the debate. Anyway, the narrative seemed more important than the name, but it's worth looking over.
  • CStanley
    Yes, and Bob the Builder is obviously an Obama supporter ("Yes we can!")
  • HappySurge
    I was just playing, Jazz. I'm very giddy tonight. It's an all right slip to make, I guess. Just glaring in the context of how central that was.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    I agree about Bob Scheiffer. This debate had a lot more interaction and somewhat more substance because of the way he ran it.
  • pacatrue
    Good one, CStanley.
  • kritt11
    McCain was solid- and less noticeably stiff-- but I don't think he delivered any knockouts. It may be too little too late. It annoyed me that Obama didn't fight back a little harder--especially about Acorn and McCain's hideous choice of Palin.
  • DLS
    Obama won. Score 60-40 to 70-30, Obama, if anyone cares.

    I saw it on television and Obama was composed while McCain was squirrely and in over his head.

    The broadcast I got to see was CNN, and it included an audience impression-meter graphical presentation during the speech, and Obama seemed to do better than McCain. (Obama hit the top of the scale when discussing parental involvement with children.)
  • DLS
    I'll add here that liberals on this liberal site are much better behaved today (out of a sense of confidence and impending victory?) than lefty talk shows so far today. The Bill Press show is extra loud-mouthed, for example, and as juvenile today as the very immature Stephanie Miller show typically is. Press and other guys on his show were openly laughing at Dick Cheney's latest medical complications, among other things. Scumbags.
  • lurxst
    I am pretty amused at the contortionists trying to give the "win" to McCain last night despite him stepping into obvious traps laid by Obama. His "oh-sh*t" moment when Obama talked about zero fines for small business under his health plan proposal (watching McCain silently mouth an incredulous "Zero?" was worth the entire viewing committment). McCain was solid in most respects, his "you should have run against Bush in 2004" comment was pretty good, but when Obama effortlessly swatted aside McCain's Ayers and ACORN attacks, it was pretty evident (especially watching the CNN debate-o-meter) that any further use of these is only going to damage McCain's chances with independents.

    Be sure to check out FactCheck.org if you are really interested in the nuggets of truth from both sides arguments, otherwise practice saying President Obama.
  • roro80
    You thought McCain looked cool and presidential? I thought he looked like his head was going to explode every time Obama opened his mouth. He even had a few extremely noisy anger-breath-groans (that's the technical term, I think) where he seems about to lose his temper.
  • timr
    McCain won? Boy you must have been watching a different debate than I was. McCain did say that he was not Bush, but you ommitted Obamas followup. "Well if I confuse the 2 of you its only because you voted for Bush budgets the last 4 times and all of your economic plans are the same as Bush"
    But McCain looked totally "gobsmacked" when Obama told him that he was wrong, that Obamas plan had him paying nothing. McCains face looked like someone kicked him in the stomach.
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