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CBS News/New York Times Poll: Obama Takes 14 Point Lead Over McCain

A new CBS News/New York Times poll has Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama taking his biggest lead yet over Republican Sen. John McCain — and part of the reason is that the dam has apparently burst and independent voters are now flowing to Obama:

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is entering the third and final presidential debate Wednesday with a wide lead over Republican rival John McCain nationally, a new CBS News/New York Times poll shows.

The Obama-Biden ticket now leads the McCain-Palin ticket 53 percent to 39 percent among likely voters, a 14-point margin. One week ago, prior to the Town Hall debate that uncommitted voters saw as a win for Obama, that margin was just three points.

Among independents who are likely voters – a group that has swung back and forth between McCain and Obama over the course of the campaign – the Democratic ticket now leads by 18 points. McCain led among independents last week.

Close readers of TMV could sense this coming this year on this site itself. TMV has more than 20 people signed up (people post when they want — there is no quota and there are no orders to write specific posts or write them any way). Some writers who are independents or moderate Republicans started out either favoring McCain or privately sympathetic to him. Many of them reluctantly stopped supporting him. And here is part of the reason why:

McCain’s campaign strategy may be hurting hurt him: Twenty-one percent of voters say their opinion of the Republican has changed for the worse in the last few weeks. The top two reasons cited for the change of heart are McCain’s attacks on Obama and his choice of Sarah Palin as running mate.

Many independent voters don’t like demonization and divide-and-rule politics. They wanted to see a post-Bush-era campaign of serious issues. Similarly, polls show moderates have broken against McCain now by some 60 percent.

Moderates and independents are often dismissed as wishy washy because they don’t follow a party line, or in the tank for one side if they dare become critical of it (at all levels of politics, people now demonize those who disagree with them). In fact, McCain could have done a lot better in this campaign had he a)run a campaign of issues, b)gotten back on the tightrope he gingerly walked during the campaign season, trying to win over his party base AND moderates and independents, c)picked almost any other primary who had been in serious consideration for Vice President than Sarah Palin.

Indeed, a key Bush strategist contends McCain knew Palin was not qualified when he picked her, according to The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein:

Matthew Dowd, a prominent political consultant and chief strategist for George W. Bush’s reelection campaign eviscerated John McCain on Tuesday for his choice of Sarah Palin as vice president.

Dowd proclaimed that, in his heart of hearts, McCain knew he put the country at risk with his VP choice and that he would “have to live” with that fact for the rest of his career.

“They didn’t let John McCain pick the person he wanted to pick as VP,” Dowd declared during the Time Warner Summit panel. “When Sarah Palin got picked instead of Joe Lieberman, which I fundamentally believed would have given John McCain the best opportunity in this race… as soon as he picked Palin, that whole ready versus not ready argument was not credible.”

Saying that Palin was a “net negative” on the ticket, he went on: “[McCain] knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. He knows that in his gut, and when this race is over that is something he will have to live with… He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that.”

….”No, I don’t agree,” said Mark McKinnon, a former McCain aide, after chiding Dowd for claiming particular insight into McCain’s soul.

“Well,” responded Dowd, “that’s even more disturbing than my thought” — the implication being that it would be truly frightening if McCain didn’t know how bad Palin truly was.

TWO PREDICTIONS:

1. Future polls may not continue upward for Obama and the race could tighten. There is still one more debate and three weeks where Obama could make a gaffe or the McCain camp could find some negative campaigning that finally gains mass traction.

2. No matter what, Palin is a future GOP star. Rather than being the GOP’s Hillary Clinton (a comparison that is basically just sexist), she has shaped up for many Democrats (and independent voters) to be the new Richard Nixon in terms of her zest for rhetorical divisiveness and the questionable accuracy of some of her assertions. She will have the segment of the GOP that believes in take-no-prisoners partisan attacks and “base mobilization” elections pushing for her in 2012 if McCain loses — and other segments of the party will likely push a candidate who’s a break from the Bush-Rove talk radio political culture. But Palin will be around for a while. And social conservatives will be palling around with Palin.

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  • The new Richard Nixon?? I don't see it. Palin may be as dishonest and divisive as Nixon was at his worst, but lacks his brilliance. And she clearly doesn't have Reagan's charm, outside of the base . . . and even in the base, there seem to be growing doubts.

    I think "the new Patrick McHenry" is more like it.
  • mlhradio
    FiveThirtyEight notes that this poll (14 points) might be an outlier, but now there are *several* national polls that put Obama at a 10-point-plus lead, which would be more "outliers" than can easily be explained.

    Frankly, I cannot imagine Obama's polling numbers improving beyond this 14-point advantage - that's almost "fat lady sings" territory this late in the game. After this point, I expect the polls have nowhere else to go but some tightening (perhaps settlling in the 6-8 point advantage range). Whic, as far as I'm concerned, is a *good* thing. A huge Obama lead would mean complacency among the Obama army of supporters. A tighter race means the Obama supporters keep fighting hard for every vote right up to election day.
  • JSpencer
    "No matter what, Palin is a future GOP star"

    Let's hope the bulk of her supporters wake up as if from a bad night of drunkeness and swear off politics forever, since the standards they embrace for it are so incredibly low.
  • elrod
    Always be wary of individual polls. Some skew Democratic and others skew Republican. Look at the averages: either Real Clear Politics, Pollster or 538. RCP is the most conservative of the poll average sites so it's worthwhile to use it as a baseline. Right now RCP has Obama up 8.1%. See here.

    Pollster's average is 8.5% for Obama, though I don't know if the CBS poll is included yet. See here.
  • JSpencer
    The Obama campaign will need to keep the pedal to the metal all the way to the end and would be wise to forget about that supposed cushion. Call me superstitious..
  • I'm taking all polls with the proverbial grain of salt...
  • Qohelet
    Up until last week or so, I might have agreed with prediction #2. Now, however, given that her Orwellian response to the Troopergate findings takes the Alice-in-Wonderland-Looking-Glass cake (see http://palinhasproblems.blogspot.com/ and others), I would say no and add that she will be lucky to salvage her political career in Alaska. Her obvious, unnecessary and self-defeating falsehood is clearly pathological. It is abnormal even for a politician. Nixon would not have wasted his time with this sort of thing. Moreover, I do not recall him ever inciting violence, fear and hatred against a presidential candidate the way she has (as demonstrated by the fact that her speeches riled people up enough to suggest a Presidential candidate be assassinated and tacit condoning of such by her silence). I cannot imagine Nixon endangering civil order so recklessly as she has, not even with all his dirty tricks and outrageous anti-Semitic comments. Surely, the GOP will purge her from their ranks as soon as they possibly can. At least Nixon can be credited with the good work he did in China and the USSR. Palin probably does not even know what he did in either country, but she at least she can claim to be Russia's next door neighbor.
  • kritt11
    The thing is, I'm not sure why Palin's denying what's in the report. It seems remarkably naive and shortsighted as anyone with a PC or a newspaper subscription can find out that she's lying. Add that to the lies she told about the Bridge to Nowhere and you get George W Bush in a skirt and high heels.

    To do that when we already have an administration that has no credibilty and historic low approval ratings is moronic.
    I get that she's not that well-informed on foreign affairs, health care or the economy, but her strength is supposed to be in running a savvy campaign.?????? It just makes me doubt a lot of other things she's said.
  • DLS
    I cannot believe the hype about Palin. Not here, not anywhere. She was this year's campaign celebrity (temporarily exceeding Obama's level). After the convention the interest in her among most people has subsided. If anything, she is similar to Mike Huckabee, quite likeable and attractive but in over her head for the Vice Presidency as well as the Presidency. (That concern was expressed over Palin becoming President but not Huckabee exposes some of the ugly nature of the anti-Palin effort.)
  • DLS
    Rather than breathlessly obscess about the latest poll of the day, hour, or minute, it is better to pay attention to something like the following, which describes the public view of the current economic situation, and which serves to assist those of us who have already dispelled the idiotic hype and sensationalism about the economy.

    "[T]here is little indication that the nation’s financial crisis has triggered public panic or despair. [...] Americans are more confident than they were in July about an improvement in the national economy and in their own personal finances."

    "[T]he public’s personal financial ratings are no lower than they were in mid-summer. [...] no evidence that fundamental American optimism has eroded in the face of the financial crisis."

    but,

    "Americans clearly signal they intend to scale back their own spending."


    http://people-press.org/report/458/economic-crisis
  • kritt11
    DLS- I found Huckabee charming and quite funny--- and never offensive. He was so likeable that I had to remind myself constantly that he didn't believe in evolution and might blur the lines of church and state.

    . Palin, OTOH, is just mean-spirited, uneducated and dishonest. Yes, she's a pit bull -- all right - but she is turning off all but right wing voters.
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