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	<title>Comments on: And So It All Comes Down to Ayers&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: jkarczek</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23362/and-so-it-all-comes-down-to-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-158064</link>
		<dc:creator>jkarczek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSpencer: No, I don&#039;t really have any evidence one way or the other concerning rallies during this Presidential race, since I haven&#039;t attended any. certainly I haven&#039;t seen anything like this reported in the media.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was speaking more broadly of events from the past ten or fifteen years in support of left wing causes (some witnessed personally) that, for one reason or another, included some violent outbursts, in addition to the more expected vocal fury. My intent was merely to say that no side (left or right) can claim to lack a certain amount of rabidity, especially when they feel like they are being pushed against a wall. Violence isn&#039;t excusable from any side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSpencer: No, I don&#39;t really have any evidence one way or the other concerning rallies during this Presidential race, since I haven&#39;t attended any. certainly I haven&#39;t seen anything like this reported in the media.</p>
<p>I was speaking more broadly of events from the past ten or fifteen years in support of left wing causes (some witnessed personally) that, for one reason or another, included some violent outbursts, in addition to the more expected vocal fury. My intent was merely to say that no side (left or right) can claim to lack a certain amount of rabidity, especially when they feel like they are being pushed against a wall. Violence isn&#39;t excusable from any side.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23362/and-so-it-all-comes-down-to-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-158043</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jkarczek : &quot;I&#039;ve seen similar behavior at left wing events go on to ACTUALLY erupt into violence.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you&#039;re trying to make a case for there being an equal amount of nutcase rabblerousing at Obama/Biden rallies, then you must be prepared to show some proof of this, otherwise it&#039;s merely an opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jkarczek : &#8220;I&#39;ve seen similar behavior at left wing events go on to ACTUALLY erupt into violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#39;re trying to make a case for there being an equal amount of nutcase rabblerousing at Obama/Biden rallies, then you must be prepared to show some proof of this, otherwise it&#39;s merely an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23362/and-so-it-all-comes-down-to-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-158024</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bootlegger&#039;s comment gets at something I&#039;ve been thinking about all this:  The net effect of the McCain campaign&#039;s focus on Ayer&#039;s is that they&#039;re shouting in an echo chamber.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only people who are affected are people who already have a tendency toward believing what they&#039;re suggesting.  (imo)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bootlegger&#39;s comment gets at something I&#39;ve been thinking about all this:  The net effect of the McCain campaign&#39;s focus on Ayer&#39;s is that they&#39;re shouting in an echo chamber.</p>
<p>The only people who are affected are people who already have a tendency toward believing what they&#39;re suggesting.  (imo)</p>
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		<title>By: jkarczek</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23362/and-so-it-all-comes-down-to-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-158021</link>
		<dc:creator>jkarczek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be somewhat hypocritical to characterize the agitated crowds that show up to listen to McCain and Palin as dangerous, when I&#039;ve seen similar behavior at left wing events go on to ACTUALLY erupt into violence. This just highlights that people on every side of the political spectrum are more likely to presume that energetic partisans with whom they agree are more rational than those on the other side.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for race, I do think that skin color is being leveraged to give more credibility to all of the rumors and innuendo swirling about Obama. Based on what I&#039;ve read online in the last week, Obama is a closeted gay crack smoking communist Muslim terrorist. These accusations are empowered by an inability of too many people to give him the standard benefit of the doubt because of his &quot;otherness&quot;. If he were a white, Harvard educated lawyer turned US Senator named Mike Johnson, I firmly believe these sorts of slanders would not gain nearly as much traction as they have, even if all of the votes and associations were the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be somewhat hypocritical to characterize the agitated crowds that show up to listen to McCain and Palin as dangerous, when I&#39;ve seen similar behavior at left wing events go on to ACTUALLY erupt into violence. This just highlights that people on every side of the political spectrum are more likely to presume that energetic partisans with whom they agree are more rational than those on the other side.</p>
<p>As for race, I do think that skin color is being leveraged to give more credibility to all of the rumors and innuendo swirling about Obama. Based on what I&#39;ve read online in the last week, Obama is a closeted gay crack smoking communist Muslim terrorist. These accusations are empowered by an inability of too many people to give him the standard benefit of the doubt because of his &#8220;otherness&#8221;. If he were a white, Harvard educated lawyer turned US Senator named Mike Johnson, I firmly believe these sorts of slanders would not gain nearly as much traction as they have, even if all of the votes and associations were the same.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, McCain-Palin will win 100% of the skinhead vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, McCain-Palin will win 100% of the skinhead vote!</p>
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		<title>By: lotusflwr</title>
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		<dc:creator>lotusflwr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s new McCarthyism, except instead of communism it&#039;s terrorism. The bigger part of the issue is that these attacks may be intended to undermine Obama as a candidate, but the are going to have the longer lasting effect of undermining him as President if/when he&#039;s elected and takes office. When it is all said and done, are McCain and Palin going to reach out and calm all the crazed &quot;omg he&#039;s a terrorist!&quot; backwoods militia types who will be out to save our country from Barack Hussein Obama? No, they&#039;ll go back to their dayjobs and the people they&#039;ve riled up will have to find their own outlet for this paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s new McCarthyism, except instead of communism it&#39;s terrorism. The bigger part of the issue is that these attacks may be intended to undermine Obama as a candidate, but the are going to have the longer lasting effect of undermining him as President if/when he&#39;s elected and takes office. When it is all said and done, are McCain and Palin going to reach out and calm all the crazed &#8220;omg he&#39;s a terrorist!&#8221; backwoods militia types who will be out to save our country from Barack Hussein Obama? No, they&#39;ll go back to their dayjobs and the people they&#39;ve riled up will have to find their own outlet for this paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One aspect of this story that I find fascinting is that it puts something very odd in common between McCain&#039;s wild-eyed fans and Obama himself:  they&#039;re basically daring McCain to bring up this issue to Obama&#039;s face in the next debate.  If he does, whoa nelly, I cannot wait to see what Obama&#039;s reaction is.   Obama will get the chance to tell McCain it&#039;s all bull and he knows it, but will he go for the jugular and bring up 20-some years of McCain&#039;s involvement with shady figures, or will he maintain the high road?  Which would be a better strategy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect of this story that I find fascinting is that it puts something very odd in common between McCain&#39;s wild-eyed fans and Obama himself:  they&#39;re basically daring McCain to bring up this issue to Obama&#39;s face in the next debate.  If he does, whoa nelly, I cannot wait to see what Obama&#39;s reaction is.   Obama will get the chance to tell McCain it&#39;s all bull and he knows it, but will he go for the jugular and bring up 20-some years of McCain&#39;s involvement with shady figures, or will he maintain the high road?  Which would be a better strategy?</p>
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		<title>By: bootlegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bootlegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has the potential to produce violence as those who have harbored these sentiments feel more emboldened.  It&#039;s not the &quot;middle&quot; who will hear these things and take to the streets, but rather those who already believe this crap and are now validated.  Once validated that &quot;Obama is a terrorist&quot;, then any action can be legitimated to &quot;stop him&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has the potential to produce violence as those who have harbored these sentiments feel more emboldened.  It&#39;s not the &#8220;middle&#8221; who will hear these things and take to the streets, but rather those who already believe this crap and are now validated.  Once validated that &#8220;Obama is a terrorist&#8221;, then any action can be legitimated to &#8220;stop him&#8221;.</p>
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