And now we're completely off topic…my bad.

CS, I'm afraid that's presumption on your part. Yes, propaganda works more than one direction, but my judgements are not based on propaganda, they are based on records. And again (I guess this needs to be repeated) it may seem politically correct to imagine the records of the D's and R's are equal when it comes to the way our country has been brought to it's current sorry state of affairs, but it simply isn't accurate.

Then I reminded them that like a million other people probably Tivo-ed the thing too and good luck making a profit off it!…lol…

It does make you wonder why the goonsquad is denouncing it even exists now? Like you can undo Tivo….lol…I gotta sign up for that service. I've been meaning to..

Still, MSNBC aired that rally and the “KILL HIM” comment etc. about like 10 times over the last couple of days. I think I saw it on CNN too. Wonder if their copies have been “disappeared” also?

I wonder what venom is worse, posting opinions about threats of violence on a backpage of a website as a nobody ghostwriter or presiding over threats of violence on the evening news in front of millions of viewers as one of the potentially highest ranking officials in the land?

Hmmm??

Funny how you think propaganda only works in one direction (actually not funny, it's disturbing.)

So shouldn't we hold the radical left accountable rather than blaming their ills on the right? I don't have any love for the Repubs JSpencer, you list a number of things that they need to own up to, but to say that the Dems are a bunch of saints who share no blame in anything is laughable. Perhaps this blind partisanship is the reason why there's so much venom out there right now.

We don't disagree on the topic of this thread JSpencer; if it was said then McCain and Palin need to come out and put an end to it.

Why not just ask MSNBC for a copy? If they can enhance audio on other tapes, why not this one…for the hard of hearing…lol…

Those with decent hearing heard clearly “KILL HIM”, just after Palin put the words “terroist” and “Obama” in a sentence together…

By the way, the crowd was clearly agitating against Obama and she was the jeer-leader. When a mob-member yells “KILL HIM” in obvious reference to Obama, who she just mentioned as essentially a terrorist-by-association, and she's leading the mob…then she goes on to pause, smile and continue bashing Obama…

You really don't need more than a Kindergarten education to put what she was up to together in an understandable format. Of course, that may be up to a jury to decide. Or not, depending on what citizens decide to do. Remember citizens? The People? The Foundation of America?

Maybe MSNBC or Rachel Maddow would like to clarify their comments on whether or not a spectator at Palin's mob actually did encourage a riotous mentality to kill Obama? Would be worth asking her about. I'd like to see a replay of her bit the other night.

I agree with this article's author: we deserve an explanation. No one will forget that comment. And to worsen their alleged culpability, McCain just had to refer to Obama last night as “that one”…thingifying him like violent people do just before they strike their target.

What the hell has happened to our country??

As I said above, if this was said, then McCain and Palin need to respond, plain and simple. But I also think that if accusations like this are going to go flying around, then needs to be absolute evidence. You can't just say “one guy said kill him” and leave it at that.

I will tell you that I am a patriot and an American to my core. I not only talk about democracy, I understand it at its fundamental level. The conduct at that “rally” offends me to the very core of my foundation. It is on par with treason.

I tire of those who are quick to defend tyranny in all its forms. I'm sick of the GOP definition of what it is to be an American citizen. Freedom is where it's at. Not irresponsible freedom to incite violence and eliminated the competition no matter what it takes, but freedom to aspire to greatness. Palin is not legally allowed to oversee a public rally where real and actual threats to Barack Obama's civil liberties are de facto encouraged.

Go back and study American history pal. Nowhere can I remember a reference to a candidate presiding over a rally where the death of another candidate is flippantly accepted and promoted.

I'm pretty sure I've answered my own question about why you're pushing this slanderous accusation without any evidence, silhouette. i think any good attorneys will shy away from this though, so you may be out of luck.

Nice try though. Cat's out of the bag and this has serious legal implications. It is illegal to interfere or attempt to interfere with an American election. Palin did just that.

Ignorance is no excuse. I imagine experts will be watching that tape closely and interviewing people who attended.

Note that the secret service is looking into this AFTER reading Dana Milbank's reporting because none of the agents heard what he was reported to have said. So far the article doesn't give any indication that the comment has been verified (Silhouette: I asked yesterday if anyone had an audible tape of that comment and got no response- so are you holding out on me?)

Dana Milbank supposedly heard this and chose to write about it, but now he's not in any hurry to answer the phone calls of the Secret Service when they called him to inquire about it.

Hmmmm

The Secret Service works for the current administration mind you. They're seeking to clear Sarah of any connection to Obama's potential assasination because now…well…now we have proof that she “condones” it, by her smile and ambivalence, even approval by not missing a beat in smearing Obama further.

I'd like to see Obama press criminal charges against Palin for attempting to coerce violence against him. Not sure what the exact legal term is for that, but I know it's a no-no…particularly when connected with a death threat. In this case not covert but plain and clear as a bell. “KILL HIM!” *Palin smiles, continues bashing Obama*

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/secre…

I suppose a certain amount of negativity is inevitable. But there is first a difference between casting one's opponents in a negative light and propagating personal aspersions. Second, there are also levels of personal attacks. When McCain came out with his first “celebrity” add with Paris and Brittney two words immediately jumped to mind: Harold Ford. After discussing the ad with various friends and acquaintances, and also people here and on other blogs across the political spectrum, I was relieved to find that not too many people made the same connection I did — even liberals. Most folks didn't see a racial connotation, but an “airhead” one. So I decided at that point that I should calm down a bit. To me, suggesting your opponent is an airhead is not nearly as ugly and corrosive as suggesting they're going to steal your daughters or something. Similarly, though oppositely, Obama's camp has accused McCain of being “out of touch”. And some have accused Obama of playing the age card because of it. I can see the point, but by the same token I've known plenty of folks of all ages that really were out of touch.

What I'm trying to say is that sometimes insinuations are manufactured in the eyes of the beholder, not the source. And generally speaking, maybe people need to calm down. That being said though, the episodes Shaun mentioned are dangerous. And if the McCain camp wants to tread on the thin ice of guilt by association they had better be very careful to not only disavow those who react insidiously, but to also condemn them in no uncertain terms.

The insane preoccupation of Republicans with bringing down the Clinton Presidency did enormous damage to the United States.

Recall the deep paranoia on the Right in 1990s, and how Congressional GOP hatred of the Clinton's led them to defend heavily armed fringe groups, and rake over the coals the FBI and ATF who tried their best . . . with mistakes . . . to deal with these groups.

My point, again, is that there is deep venom in the U.S. body politic.