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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the legislation was the right thing to do-- yet a bitter pill to swallow, it was up to the GOP to come up with the number of votes their leaders promised. They hid behind Pelosi&#039;s speech and later admitted that their votes were not affected by it.Some voted on principal but others  were cowed by the angry calls from constituents that were flooding their congressional offices.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If it was the right thing to do they should have provided leadership to their constituents and explained the consequences of inaction. If not, they needed to present an alternative that the other party and president could get behind. They did neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the legislation was the right thing to do&#8211; yet a bitter pill to swallow, it was up to the GOP to come up with the number of votes their leaders promised. They hid behind Pelosi&#39;s speech and later admitted that their votes were not affected by it.Some voted on principal but others  were cowed by the angry calls from constituents that were flooding their congressional offices.</p>
<p>If it was the right thing to do they should have provided leadership to their constituents and explained the consequences of inaction. If not, they needed to present an alternative that the other party and president could get behind. They did neither.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23103/republicans-confuse-talk-radio-with-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-155928</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;every issue of consequence&quot;?  Not to be nitpicky, but if I recall the Repubs didn&#039;t much like that immigration bill Bush was tossing around...or that whole Dubai ports thing.  I&#039;ll cede the rest--perhaps you could rephrase to &quot;98% of the time&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;every issue of consequence&#8221;?  Not to be nitpicky, but if I recall the Repubs didn&#39;t much like that immigration bill Bush was tossing around&#8230;or that whole Dubai ports thing.  I&#39;ll cede the rest&#8211;perhaps you could rephrase to &#8220;98% of the time&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23103/republicans-confuse-talk-radio-with-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-155919</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan -- yes, I&#039;ve noticed the nationalizations in the UK.  (Hopefully that&#039;s not going to be misread by Labor as a &quot;need&quot; to return to the good old nationalized 1970s with as much nationalization as Labor can secure.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There could be more transparency here in the States.  There have been one or two mergers or bank purchases that were quietly engineered by Washington and I&#039;d like to learn more about why these were approved and what mechanics, ahem, were involved.  I suspect also just in passing that there may be many Dems who approve the consolidation that&#039;s happening here in the States because having fewer &quot;players&quot; in the industry actually makes it easier to cartelize and &quot;manage&quot; that industry from and by Washington eventually.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lap dances, and extra favors?  &quot;Consultants,&quot; sir.  &quot;Consultants.&quot;  Besides, if execs at Volkswagen* can enjoy those favors while in places like Brasil, why not the bankers?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* It makes me wonder about this little possible financial detail of Detroit&#039;s Big Three.  You know, how successful they are in the Orient, land of exotic women and ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan &#8212; yes, I&#39;ve noticed the nationalizations in the UK.  (Hopefully that&#39;s not going to be misread by Labor as a &#8220;need&#8221; to return to the good old nationalized 1970s with as much nationalization as Labor can secure.)</p>
<p>There could be more transparency here in the States.  There have been one or two mergers or bank purchases that were quietly engineered by Washington and I&#39;d like to learn more about why these were approved and what mechanics, ahem, were involved.  I suspect also just in passing that there may be many Dems who approve the consolidation that&#39;s happening here in the States because having fewer &#8220;players&#8221; in the industry actually makes it easier to cartelize and &#8220;manage&#8221; that industry from and by Washington eventually.</p>
<p>Lap dances, and extra favors?  &#8220;Consultants,&#8221; sir.  &#8220;Consultants.&#8221;  Besides, if execs at Volkswagen* can enjoy those favors while in places like Brasil, why not the bankers?</p>
<p>* It makes me wonder about this little possible financial detail of Detroit&#39;s Big Three.  You know, how successful they are in the Orient, land of exotic women and &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac represent a &quot;Deregulatory Revolution&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hahahaha...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I notice that the situation in Great Britian is even more dire than in the United States.  The sense is that the United States is being more transparent, and further along with dealing with this crisis, than the social democracies the Democrats so admire in Europe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Proof of this can be seen in the Deutsche Bank now denying its bankers in the City unlimited expenses for limousines.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When one adds this to the APPALLING decision of the DB to deny its investment bankers the ability to put strippers and lap dances on their expense accounts . . . one can see why the bankers are so insistent that US taxpayers bail them out of their Cristal-induced stupidities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;$700 billion buys a whole lot of lap dances.  Happy Days are Here Again . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac represent a &#8220;Deregulatory Revolution&#8221;?</p>
<p>Hahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>I notice that the situation in Great Britian is even more dire than in the United States.  The sense is that the United States is being more transparent, and further along with dealing with this crisis, than the social democracies the Democrats so admire in Europe.</p>
<p>Proof of this can be seen in the Deutsche Bank now denying its bankers in the City unlimited expenses for limousines.  </p>
<p>When one adds this to the APPALLING decision of the DB to deny its investment bankers the ability to put strippers and lap dances on their expense accounts . . . one can see why the bankers are so insistent that US taxpayers bail them out of their Cristal-induced stupidities.</p>
<p>$700 billion buys a whole lot of lap dances.  Happy Days are Here Again . . .</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck trying to pin this one on the Democrats. You&#039;re gonna need it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The House GOP&#039;s pathetic whining about Pelosi&#039;s lukewarm speech made it totally clear Republicans knew they blew it and big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck trying to pin this one on the Democrats. You&#39;re gonna need it.</p>
<p>The House GOP&#39;s pathetic whining about Pelosi&#39;s lukewarm speech made it totally clear Republicans knew they blew it and big time.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun self-destructs again.  [rolling eyes]  What about the 95 Democrats?  Why is Shaun so beholden to Wall Street and the bailout bill?  Is any and every bailout a Good Thing?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not only Barney Frank, but Christopher &quot;Countrywide&quot; Dodd should be recused.  Dodd may be someone Shaun looks up to currently as a role model, not only for crafting a bailout bill, but also because Dodd was the dolt who began misusing &quot;extreme&quot; and &quot;extremists&quot; after the 1994 elections.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Go ahead, Shaun.  Ignore the reality and just keep whining.  The new bailout bill is gimmick and pork-laden, including tax &quot;incentives&quot; without revenue boosts to pay for them, just the kind of thing you&#039;d love and naturally support and defend these days.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Superdestroyer: It&#039;s all Bush&#039;s and McCain&#039;s and Palin&#039;s fault, world-wide.  Don&#039;t you realize that these three are also responsible for HIV, malaria, and all forms of cancer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun self-destructs again.  [rolling eyes]  What about the 95 Democrats?  Why is Shaun so beholden to Wall Street and the bailout bill?  Is any and every bailout a Good Thing?</p>
<p>Not only Barney Frank, but Christopher &#8220;Countrywide&#8221; Dodd should be recused.  Dodd may be someone Shaun looks up to currently as a role model, not only for crafting a bailout bill, but also because Dodd was the dolt who began misusing &#8220;extreme&#8221; and &#8220;extremists&#8221; after the 1994 elections.</p>
<p>Go ahead, Shaun.  Ignore the reality and just keep whining.  The new bailout bill is gimmick and pork-laden, including tax &#8220;incentives&#8221; without revenue boosts to pay for them, just the kind of thing you&#39;d love and naturally support and defend these days.</p>
<p>Superdestroyer: It&#39;s all Bush&#39;s and McCain&#39;s and Palin&#39;s fault, world-wide.  Don&#39;t you realize that these three are also responsible for HIV, malaria, and all forms of cancer?</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, I thought that the financial crisis was caused by regulation in the U.S.  How can the Repulbicans supposed push for deregulation in the U.S. cause financial metldowns in socialist Europe?  Or is it that Barney Frank does not really know what he is talking about. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the Repulbicans wanted to make a statement, they should say that they will come back to the negotiating table after Rep. Frank recuses himself from the negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, I thought that the financial crisis was caused by regulation in the U.S.  How can the Repulbicans supposed push for deregulation in the U.S. cause financial metldowns in socialist Europe?  Or is it that Barney Frank does not really know what he is talking about. </p>
<p>If the Repulbicans wanted to make a statement, they should say that they will come back to the negotiating table after Rep. Frank recuses himself from the negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, exactly how did the Republicans convince 40% of the House Democrats to go along with their nefarious plot? Where, exactly, was the &#039;strong Democratic leadership&#039; we were promised by Pelosi and Murtha?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How about we say this instead:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;And you can bet your last nickel that when the Senate takes up the issue today even its most Liberal Democratic members will be a good deal less doctrinaire — and I daresay more courageous — after the destructive behavior of their peers in the House.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As always,&lt;br&gt;your person troll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun -</p>
<p>So, exactly how did the Republicans convince 40% of the House Democrats to go along with their nefarious plot? Where, exactly, was the &#39;strong Democratic leadership&#39; we were promised by Pelosi and Murtha?</p>
<p>How about we say this instead:</p>
<p>&#8220;And you can bet your last nickel that when the Senate takes up the issue today even its most Liberal Democratic members will be a good deal less doctrinaire — and I daresay more courageous — after the destructive behavior of their peers in the House.&#8221;</p>
<p>As always,<br />your person troll</p>
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