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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23096/pre-vp-debate-lets-throw-in-the-fix-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-156285</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/23096/pre-vp-debate-lets-throw-in-the-fix-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-156003</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PWT, the dominant economic theory of the day is variously referred to as Reaganomics, Thatcherism, free-market, laissez-faire, and oddly, neoliberalism. It&#039;s guru is (was) Milton Friedman of the Chicago School of Economics. The fundamental policies are 1) privatization, 2) deregulation and 3) deep cuts in social services. I hope you won&#039;t disagree that this is the fundamental economic policy of the Republican Party, or I would have to flood you with quotes from Friedman, Thatcher, Rumsfeld, Reagan, Bush, Bush and McCain. The effect of implementing policies based on this philosophy are always the same: an increasing wealth gap, a shift of public wealth to private hands and a shift of private debt to public hands (which we are experiencing now).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most obvious policies increasing the suffering of the poor are cuts in social services, and the Republican Party has always been miserly in this regard. One step up from that is the impact on low-wage earners of the Republican aversion to raising the minimum wage, among other pro-business anti-employee policies. The effect on solidly middle-class people is the result of that increasing wealth gap and of unfettered corporatism. The reallocation of wealth upward is by definition anti-democratic, because there are far more people below average income than above it. When Reagan cut the top tax rate, it cost the federal government tax revenue, which either reduces services, raises their costs or increases debt. Actually, tax revenue would have fallen far more except for Reagan&#039;s other &quot;innovation&quot; which was to borrow massively from future generations, rather than adhering to the former Republican belief of paying one&#039;s own way (a quaint concept).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, let me note again the crushing impact of the accumulated debt. The &quot;birth tax&quot; is currently $31,000, your personal share of the national debt. The interest on that debt for every taxpayer is about $235 per month (interest divided by taxpayers). Each of us who pays taxes will continue to owe that indefinitely without ever paying off a penny of principal. Obviously, that is a far greater burden for people of middle income and lower than it is for those above average income. However, currently we are still not paying our own way, but rather, borrowing money to pay the interest on money already borrowed and passing the whole stinking pile of debt on to our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PWT, the dominant economic theory of the day is variously referred to as Reaganomics, Thatcherism, free-market, laissez-faire, and oddly, neoliberalism. It&#39;s guru is (was) Milton Friedman of the Chicago School of Economics. The fundamental policies are 1) privatization, 2) deregulation and 3) deep cuts in social services. I hope you won&#39;t disagree that this is the fundamental economic policy of the Republican Party, or I would have to flood you with quotes from Friedman, Thatcher, Rumsfeld, Reagan, Bush, Bush and McCain. The effect of implementing policies based on this philosophy are always the same: an increasing wealth gap, a shift of public wealth to private hands and a shift of private debt to public hands (which we are experiencing now).</p>
<p>The most obvious policies increasing the suffering of the poor are cuts in social services, and the Republican Party has always been miserly in this regard. One step up from that is the impact on low-wage earners of the Republican aversion to raising the minimum wage, among other pro-business anti-employee policies. The effect on solidly middle-class people is the result of that increasing wealth gap and of unfettered corporatism. The reallocation of wealth upward is by definition anti-democratic, because there are far more people below average income than above it. When Reagan cut the top tax rate, it cost the federal government tax revenue, which either reduces services, raises their costs or increases debt. Actually, tax revenue would have fallen far more except for Reagan&#39;s other &#8220;innovation&#8221; which was to borrow massively from future generations, rather than adhering to the former Republican belief of paying one&#39;s own way (a quaint concept).</p>
<p>Finally, let me note again the crushing impact of the accumulated debt. The &#8220;birth tax&#8221; is currently $31,000, your personal share of the national debt. The interest on that debt for every taxpayer is about $235 per month (interest divided by taxpayers). Each of us who pays taxes will continue to owe that indefinitely without ever paying off a penny of principal. Obviously, that is a far greater burden for people of middle income and lower than it is for those above average income. However, currently we are still not paying our own way, but rather, borrowing money to pay the interest on money already borrowed and passing the whole stinking pile of debt on to our children.</p>
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		<title>By: PWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you could list some of the policies that benefit the rich at the expense of the poor.  From what I know about policy, the two are mutually exclusive.  Some policies may benefit the rich, though they have nothing to with policies that cause the poor to suffer.  I am not being purposely obtuse, I just believe that you are incorrect in your statement.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take, for example, tax cuts for the rich.  Thos benefit the rich to the extent that their tax liability is reduced should their income remain static.  However, tax cuts have no effect on those that do not pay taxes, the poor.  So, if you could point out an example of what you&#039;re writing about, it would be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you could list some of the policies that benefit the rich at the expense of the poor.  From what I know about policy, the two are mutually exclusive.  Some policies may benefit the rich, though they have nothing to with policies that cause the poor to suffer.  I am not being purposely obtuse, I just believe that you are incorrect in your statement.  </p>
<p>Take, for example, tax cuts for the rich.  Thos benefit the rich to the extent that their tax liability is reduced should their income remain static.  However, tax cuts have no effect on those that do not pay taxes, the poor.  So, if you could point out an example of what you&#39;re writing about, it would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You would be correct that race does not determine party affliliation is african-Americans were not such a monoculture.  It is not like there is a huge amount of diversity in black culture in the U.S.   The limited range of sports interest, music interest, and political interest ensures block voting. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Race is a better determiniation of political leanings for all non-whites in the U.S.  In the U.S., whites are basically the only swing voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan, </p>
<p>You would be correct that race does not determine party affliliation is african-Americans were not such a monoculture.  It is not like there is a huge amount of diversity in black culture in the U.S.   The limited range of sports interest, music interest, and political interest ensures block voting. </p>
<p>Race is a better determiniation of political leanings for all non-whites in the U.S.  In the U.S., whites are basically the only swing voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must disagree, SD.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think race determines party affiliation at all.  Class does seem to influence it though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GreenDreams is correct, I think, in saying that the GOP has unfortunately branded itself as the party of the upper classes.  They will welcome anyone with a big bank account, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am sure, in my younger impoverished punk days, they would set the hounds upon me the moment their Wallet Sniffing Dogs turned up their noses at me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must disagree, SD.  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t think race determines party affiliation at all.  Class does seem to influence it though.</p>
<p>GreenDreams is correct, I think, in saying that the GOP has unfortunately branded itself as the party of the upper classes.  They will welcome anyone with a big bank account, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.  </p>
<p>I am sure, in my younger impoverished punk days, they would set the hounds upon me the moment their Wallet Sniffing Dogs turned up their noses at me <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, sd, good point. If the GOP is always seen as anti-minority, then maybe rich members of minorities are being more community minded than you are. You don&#039;t appear to give a damn about less fortunate whites. Why criticize Jordan for caring about his own community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, sd, good point. If the GOP is always seen as anti-minority, then maybe rich members of minorities are being more community minded than you are. You don&#39;t appear to give a damn about less fortunate whites. Why criticize Jordan for caring about his own community?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Policies that benefit the rich (a tiny minority) at the expense of the middle and lower (the vast majority) are anti-democratic (small d). If we&#039;re honest and honestly support democracy, we would want voters to understand how policies will affect them and vote accordingly. Yes, we are headed for a white minority, but so what? If we&#039;re not just being bigots, what difference does that make? The GOP branded itself as the party of rich white men and as Marlow says, rich black men and other rich majority members. Why not? If GOP policies are good for them, their votes are appropriate (you know, leaving out matters of conscience like caring for those less fortunate). If the GOP wants minority votes, women&#039;s votes, etc. they need only adopt policies that are not averse to the interests of those voters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now as for Ifill, what difference does it make, other than perception, that she is an Obama supporter? In the current debate format, both candidates get the same question, and it is not Ifill who wrote the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Policies that benefit the rich (a tiny minority) at the expense of the middle and lower (the vast majority) are anti-democratic (small d). If we&#39;re honest and honestly support democracy, we would want voters to understand how policies will affect them and vote accordingly. Yes, we are headed for a white minority, but so what? If we&#39;re not just being bigots, what difference does that make? The GOP branded itself as the party of rich white men and as Marlow says, rich black men and other rich majority members. Why not? If GOP policies are good for them, their votes are appropriate (you know, leaving out matters of conscience like caring for those less fortunate). If the GOP wants minority votes, women&#39;s votes, etc. they need only adopt policies that are not averse to the interests of those voters.</p>
<p>Now as for Ifill, what difference does it make, other than perception, that she is an Obama supporter? In the current debate format, both candidates get the same question, and it is not Ifill who wrote the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Jordon is a Democrat and has donated exclusively to &quot;Democrats.  Blacks are always Democrats no matter their income or education. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/Michael_Jordan.php&quot;&gt;http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donati...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Jordon is a Democrat and has donated exclusively to &#8220;Democrats.  Blacks are always Democrats no matter their income or education. <a href="http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/Michael_Jordan.php">http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donati&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD . . . wasn&#039;t McCain&#039;s Chief of Staff outed last week or so?  &lt;br&gt;Nothing quite a colorful as toe-tapping in washrooms, alas :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, race does not determine political affiliation.  Look at the number of Republicans in the NBA!  When you have fifty million in the bank, you are white.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think McCain lost a lot of credibility in his dealing with the economy.  Go to Washington, fine . . . but then he had to do something . . . and he did nada.  So it was pointlessly political.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In tough times people tend to turn to leaders who are at least serious and reassuring.   Even though Senator Obama may be a flaming RED BOLSHIE :)  he is at least serious.  That scores him points in my book.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, as Chris says, it could all change.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW:  The latest is that Ifill is writing a book on Obama!  Hahahaha...the McCain campaign was totally blindsided.  What a bunch of maroons.  A good campaign manager like Rove would never have allowed this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD . . . wasn&#39;t McCain&#39;s Chief of Staff outed last week or so?  <br />Nothing quite a colorful as toe-tapping in washrooms, alas <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, race does not determine political affiliation.  Look at the number of Republicans in the NBA!  When you have fifty million in the bank, you are white.</p>
<p>Personally, I think McCain lost a lot of credibility in his dealing with the economy.  Go to Washington, fine . . . but then he had to do something . . . and he did nada.  So it was pointlessly political.</p>
<p>In tough times people tend to turn to leaders who are at least serious and reassuring.   Even though Senator Obama may be a flaming RED BOLSHIE <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   he is at least serious.  That scores him points in my book.</p>
<p>But, as Chris says, it could all change.   </p>
<p>BTW:  The latest is that Ifill is writing a book on Obama!  Hahahaha&#8230;the McCain campaign was totally blindsided.  What a bunch of maroons.  A good campaign manager like Rove would never have allowed this.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the Republicans have done a miserable job and the Bush Administraiton is one of the major causes of the accelerated collapse of the Republican party.  The Repubicans refuse to deal with spending.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, as long as the Democrats are saying that they will tax rich (read whites) and give the money to minorities, there is no way that the Republicans can ever hope to appeal to minorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Republicans have done a miserable job and the Bush Administraiton is one of the major causes of the accelerated collapse of the Republican party.  The Repubicans refuse to deal with spending.  </p>
<p>However, as long as the Democrats are saying that they will tax rich (read whites) and give the money to minorities, there is no way that the Republicans can ever hope to appeal to minorities.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sd,&lt;br&gt;As I&#039;ve said to you countless times, if Republicans want to stay relevant, they have to offer solutions to the problems of Americans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take McCain and Bush&#039;s signature issue, tax cuts that predominantly help rich Americans. Is that really an issue that is going to win over any demographic group at this point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sd,<br />As I&#39;ve said to you countless times, if Republicans want to stay relevant, they have to offer solutions to the problems of Americans.</p>
<p>Take McCain and Bush&#39;s signature issue, tax cuts that predominantly help rich Americans. Is that really an issue that is going to win over any demographic group at this point?</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, everyone knew that they poll numbers would not last for McCain and they have not.  I am still waiting for some Repulbicans to be outed as homosexual like as occured in the last two elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, everyone knew that they poll numbers would not last for McCain and they have not.  I am still waiting for some Repulbicans to be outed as homosexual like as occured in the last two elections.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super D -- we haven&#039;t reached Hell yet, despite seventy-plus years of &quot;progress&quot; to date.</description>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sd,&lt;br&gt;Seems a little premature to make those predictions at this point. Just 2 weeks ago, McCain was leading in the national polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sd,<br />Seems a little premature to make those predictions at this point. Just 2 weeks ago, McCain was leading in the national polls.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When you realize that less than 50% of the children in kindergarten are white, you should forget about a comeback for Republicans or conservatives.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder in what year the media will first decide that the general election is irrelevant because the Democratic candidate is so far ahead that it is pointless to report on the election (see mayorial general election in most large urban cities).  The second question is how will politicis function in the coming one party state where the Democratic primary will be the only important eleciton.   How willl people like Ms. Ifill function in the coming one party state and will blacks inside the Democratic party function as a separate political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan, </p>
<p>When you realize that less than 50% of the children in kindergarten are white, you should forget about a comeback for Republicans or conservatives.  </p>
<p>I wonder in what year the media will first decide that the general election is irrelevant because the Democratic candidate is so far ahead that it is pointless to report on the election (see mayorial general election in most large urban cities).  The second question is how will politicis function in the coming one party state where the Democratic primary will be the only important eleciton.   How willl people like Ms. Ifill function in the coming one party state and will blacks inside the Democratic party function as a separate political party.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley,&lt;br&gt;I agree 100%. I&#039;m no big fan of Ifill or anything anyways :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley,<br />I agree 100%. I&#39;m no big fan of Ifill or anything anyways <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;ll concede your point to a degree (though there are definitely some tough questions that need to be asked of Biden as well, and he&#039;s been largely ignored by the media so far since he was picked by Obama.) But that&#039;s all the more reason that there needs to be as close as possible to complete neutrality in perception as well as reality of the moderator, so that he/she can ask the tough questions without a built in perception of agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#39;ll concede your point to a degree (though there are definitely some tough questions that need to be asked of Biden as well, and he&#39;s been largely ignored by the media so far since he was picked by Obama.) But that&#39;s all the more reason that there needs to be as close as possible to complete neutrality in perception as well as reality of the moderator, so that he/she can ask the tough questions without a built in perception of agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greendreams, as far as I know Ifill didn&#039;t have a conflict of interest in the form of a strong personal bias in the Cheney/Edwards debate, did she?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s no different than any other conflict of interest. You wouldn&#039;t excuse a researcher who works for a pharmaceutical company with financial interest in the stakes of the research outcome, although if the same researcher participated in a different project without a conflct of interest it would be fine. The fact that he/she could perform that latter in a competent and professional manner doesn&#039;t make the former situation acceptable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The perception problem is real (on both sides- McCain/Palin supporters will have a built in excuse for any bungled performance, and Obama/Biden supporters will have the excuse that Ifill bent over backwards to be tougher on Biden if he happens to stumble more than she does.) It&#039;s not just a perception that we all need to get over, it&#039;s a taint that has to be avoided in order for the debate itself to have any real meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greendreams, as far as I know Ifill didn&#39;t have a conflict of interest in the form of a strong personal bias in the Cheney/Edwards debate, did she?</p>
<p>It&#39;s no different than any other conflict of interest. You wouldn&#39;t excuse a researcher who works for a pharmaceutical company with financial interest in the stakes of the research outcome, although if the same researcher participated in a different project without a conflct of interest it would be fine. The fact that he/she could perform that latter in a competent and professional manner doesn&#39;t make the former situation acceptable.</p>
<p>The perception problem is real (on both sides- McCain/Palin supporters will have a built in excuse for any bungled performance, and Obama/Biden supporters will have the excuse that Ifill bent over backwards to be tougher on Biden if he happens to stumble more than she does.) It&#39;s not just a perception that we all need to get over, it&#39;s a taint that has to be avoided in order for the debate itself to have any real meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to make sure we make a distinction between trying to make someone look bad and asking tough questions. There simply are tougher questions to be asked of Palin, given her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whyweworry.com/blog/2008/10/01/palin-the-end-of-pretend-democracy/&quot;&gt;media blackout and laundry list of un-retracted lies&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, Palin if asked the questions that need asking, may end up looking worse than Biden, but that&#039;s not necessarily indicative of bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to make sure we make a distinction between trying to make someone look bad and asking tough questions. There simply are tougher questions to be asked of Palin, given her <a href="http://www.whyweworry.com/blog/2008/10/01/palin-the-end-of-pretend-democracy/">media blackout and laundry list of un-retracted lies</a>.</p>
<p>So, Palin if asked the questions that need asking, may end up looking worse than Biden, but that&#39;s not necessarily indicative of bias.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to the entertainment, water-treading, or however else to describe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m looking forward to the entertainment, water-treading, or however else to describe it.</p>
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