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Some Thoughts On Bailout Bill And Disgusting Partisanship

So the big bailout bill has been rejected, at least for now. I do expect to see the bill come up in some revised form over the next few days but the rejection and the stories circulating about it prompted me to write this post.

Looking at the bill itself, I must admit to having mixed views on the entire bailout concept. People talk about how, if we don’t bail out Wall Street, that the entire world will come to an end. This is a bit of an exaggeration though certainly there would be serious consequences. We would likely face a number of years of hard economic times and people would certainly suffer from those hard times. But, in time, things would improve and, in the long run, it might be the best way to go.

But the question is are we ready to suffer and endure to fix the problem so that our children and grandchildren don’t? That answer is most probably no. It is not unlike the overweight man who has to face the choice between a harsh diet which would have minimal cost but would take a long time to work through versus having surgery or liposuction to solve the problem in the short term but leave it unsolved in the long term.

Neither choice is good and so the decision is not easy. Were I a member of Congress, I am unsure as to how I would vote.

Having said that, I do know that I am greatly disgusted by the partisanship that has been demonstrated.

Republicans have condemned Nancy Pelosi for delivering a partisan speech right before the vote. I have not yet found a full text of the speech but, from what I have seen, they do have something of a point. The entire point of this bill was to put politics aside and work together but she chose to deliver a Bush/Republican bashing speech right before the vote. That was in very poor form and she should be ashamed for trying to make political hay out of it.

But even more disgusting is the report that some Republicans who were planning to vote for the bill decided to vote against it because of her speech.

This is a somewhat unique piece of legislation in that I don’t think there is anyone out there who is really FOR the bill. Either you are against the bill outright on principle or you don’t really like it but you are supporting it as the necessary step.

Now, if you are in the former category, I understand your position and you should vote your conscience. As i said above I m deeply-troubled not only by the idea of the quasi-socialist nature of the bailout proposal but also of burdening future generations with nearly $1,000,000,000,000 (yeah that’s a trillion) in debt. So I have no issue with those who sincerely opposed the bill and voted accordingly.

But if you see the bill as necessary and important to our economy but voted against it because someone said something you didn’t like, that is DISGUSTING.

To put your personal feelings before your country is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

I have long contemplated whether I would remain a member of the Republican Party or not. This may well help me make my decision and you may very well see another post in the near future.

  • Pat -- this close to the election, the hyper-partisanship is a putrid miasma. I hear ya. I wouldn't affiliate myself with a party for all the $ in the world (wherever it is).
  • Also -- Hot Air has the video up of Pelosi's speech. She starts smacking big red buttons at around the one minute mark.

    LINK.
  • Polimom,
    What about the Green Party? :-)

    Patrick,
    No disrespect, but Barney Frank says it better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPki41U-lE
  • superdestroyer
    Pelosi should have put together a bill that would have gotten all of the Democratic votes and she would not have had to worry about the Republicans.

    Senator Obama should demonstrate his leadership ability and come out with a fix that will get all of the Democrats on board and is something that his administration will find acceptable.

    Trying to share blame with the Republicans demonstrated that the plan was weak.
  • kritt11
    SD

    Pelosi didn't come up with the bill--- Paulson did. And then Republicans would blame the bailout on the Democrats since they all voted for it. It would be political poison to vote to give 700 billion to wall street when 88% of Americans oppose doing so.
  • SD is sorta right when you combine it with the common sense of Kritt.

    Democrats should have never allowed a bill they didn't believe in to come to a vote in the first place, especially if they have the votes to pass a bill without significant Republican support.

    If they don't have that ability (which is entirely possible), that's another thing entirely... but still they shouldn't be trying to push through such an important bill if they think it sucks.
  • The perspective from my wealthy Republican friends offers lots of insight. For those with lots of liquidity, the market going into total crash just offers them the ability to buy in at firesale prices, profiting from the collective disaster. Get ready to hand the rest of our butts to the already wealthy.

    How's that "invisible hand" thing working out for us, America? Ready to bail out (pun intended) on that yet? The GOP deserves the blame for letting "unfettered market forces" be our mantra, AND for scuttling the deal on the bailout. May the voters punish them severely next month!
  • after hours trading for today has just been cancelled.

    Not to brag, but those of us who bought into ultrashort ETFs today are up 15% today alone. Nice. If you can't beat them.....
  • elrod
    Well said, Patrick.

    BTW, Pelosi's speech is hardly a "partisan" speech. Yes, it blames the financial crisis on a culture of "anything goes" during the Bush years. But hasn't John McCain said pretty much the same thing?

    This is baloney. Pelosi's speech had nothing to do with GOP members voting no. It was just an attempt at cover by Boehner...and a poor one.

    Look, lots of conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats opposed the bailout bill on principle. Why don't the opponents of the bill just admit that they opposed it on principle and not because their feelings were hurt.
  • DLS
    Style pointer: tantrums, complete with all caps in appropriate spots, normally also feature multiple exclamation marks.

    * * *

    Pelosi and her speech was stupid (as notes anyone who knows what she said), and to the extent this reflects ambition and over-confidence, as well as misinterpretation by the Democrats, it's an ugly threat to Americans about what an Obama White House _and_ a Democrat-controlled Congress would portend.

    Did the GOP overreact or exploit Pelosi's stupidity. Maybe. The Dems want total junk foisted on the public, but the GOP are dysfunctional. Don't forget that while it is in and of itself a good thing, it was wacky for some House Republicans, in trying to negotiate the content of the bill, to seek or even insist on capital gains tax reductions at this time. That's just GOP dysfunctionality. Complaining about Pelosi is also somewhat grasping at straws (albeit with substance behind GOP dissatisfaction).

    95(?) Democrats as well as so many Republicans voted to reject this bill.

    The Democrats can, if they truly [mis]believe the public's desires, write and pass their own bill, with features they want, against GOP opposition, and hope for a veto override after Bush likely would veto such a crazy bill. They want to buy favor and votes of those whose souls are for sale among the debt deadbeats who face possible or likely foreclosure and deserve it. This in the name of helping "Main Street rather than Wall Street" or simply helping "the people," at the expense of people with better judgment and character, who didn't want something for nothing or next to nothing. Let no success, even that which is merely relative, go unpunished by the Dems, who seek to salve and effectively to reward failure.

    It's really up to the Democrats now, who control Congress, the same Congress on whom the Bush administration is dependent on getting some kind of bill passed. The Dems just have to not be stupid and go farther left and risk a veto; the GOP will not vote to override a veto of worse junk than this late bill contained.
  • DLS
    "the market going into total crash just offers them the ability to buy in at firesale prices"

    America, now land of fire sale price, land of many bargain! [with CHINESE accent]
  • DLS
    Puts, Green Dreams. Put options. (Not call options, options to buy and hoping for a rise in prices, but options to sell, hoping for a fall in prices.) It's one thing I did in 1998. How I wish I could have predicted the NASDAQ fall in 2000 and the true bursting of the bubble!
  • DLS
    Predicting September 11 and taking out put options (as al Qaeda is reputed to have done) is shrewd in hindsight, too, but also ghoulish.
  • kritt11
    One reason more Republicans didn't vote for this or the immigration bill is that they no longer back or trust the president's policies. Pelosi was only pointing out the elephant in the room. And, believe me, it angers the left when you hand an executive like Bush more power over our tax dollars with few restrictions. She had to hate the bill as much as Boehner did.
  • Walter28
    kritt11: The first bill was Paulson's bill... that bill was rejected before it even came to a vote... trust me, Paulson's bill didn't award percentages of the profit to democratic groups like ACORN... But I totally agree with you, Pelosi and the democrats were more concerned with protecting their poll numbers than protecting the consumers. Most of the republicans legitimately opposed the bill so it's hard to point blame at them... especially when democrats only needed 12 more votes and 95 of them voted against it. The simple fact of the matter was the democrats were trying to have it both ways, which never works... they were going to take credit for the bill if it passed... but if it was unpopular they were going to use the republicans who voted for it as cover... now that the bill didn't pass they try to blame it on the republicans who didn't vote for it rather than the democrats who didn't vote for it to try to minimize the impact of Pelosi's failed leadership. Pelosi is such a profoundly unpopular and polarizing figure, I'd keep my distance from her if I was Obama... just like the republicans are trying to distance themselves from Bush and Cheney. The fact she's been front and center in the media over the past few days isn't doing Obama any favors.
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