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Voices of Fiscal Sanity in the Wilderness

dollarsign.jpgWhen it comes to matters of fiscal conservatism, it often becomes a lonely business to stand on the beach by yourself, shouting at the ocean with these foul tasting, sandy pebbles in your mouth. Readers have made their preferences clear when it comes to matters of economic prudence. “Nay nay!” you say. “We’ll have none of your Bob Barr and his crazy ideas about cutting spending across the board. We’ll stick with the way we’ve been doing things for years, thank you very much.” I’m feeling slightly less isolated this morning after reading the Washington Post’s editorial, The Long-Term Cost.

The piece begins with some sensible warnings regarding the upcoming bailout agreement and how it may, in fact, make things worse in the short term. There is, however, a potential (if unlikely) bright side.

Paid for with borrowed money, today’s rescue plan will actually make matters worse in the short term. But it will be money well spent if we use the time it buys to put America’s financial house in order.

Count me among those who are skeptical, to put it charitably, about our government’s ability to read the writing on the wall and begin the hard work of reducing the federal debt. Far more likely is the scenario where the bailout will temporarily push the “crisis” further down the road and we, as a nation, will go back to simply refusing to think about an unpleasant reality. If we aren’t threatened with barbarians at the gate tomorrow, we shall happily go about the business of running up bills, gutting our credit worthiness, and leaving the bills for “somebody else” to worry about down the road. That date with unfortunate destiny may be quite a bit sooner than you think, however. As usual, the major culprits are our social entitlement programs, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

According to the GAO, existing law requires the government to spend $41 trillion more on these entitlements over the next 75 years than it can expect to receive in payroll taxes and premiums. Of this, $34 trillion is related to health-care programs.

Does 75 years seem remote? Well, the crunch actually begins much sooner than that — in 2011, when Social Security’s cash flow turns negative, because of the first wave of baby-boom retirements. No longer will the rest of government be able to live off the surplus in Social Security’s trust fund. According to the GAO, the federal budget deficit — projected at more than 3 percent of GDP next year — is on a path to exceed 20 percent of GDP by 2050, unless we enact substantial reforms to our tax structure and entitlement programs.

With the passage of this bailout plan, we’re going to have a federal debt in excess of $11 trillion next year. The government claims that the GDP will still be higher than that, but as the Wall Street Journal recently pointed out, those numbers need to be critically examined and adjusted for reality. It’s very much akin to asking a used-car salesman to quote the total value of all the vehicles on his lot, then writing down the number he gives you and wandering away to report it without question.

We can either correct this situation intentionally, which will be painful, or we can let it crash on its own later, which will be disastrous. Neither John McCain nor Barack Obama are seriously talking about any sort of national policy which will result in a lower federal debt over the next four years. Our friends on the Left need to realize that this is no time to look at strapping the federal government with additional entitlement programs, and the ones we have now will require serious adjustments. Similarly, our colleagues on the Right are going to have to face the fact that “one more tax cut” isn’t going to solve anything and $10B per month in military adventurism is already adding up to real money that we simply don’t have. We are in hock to the Chinese for half a trillion dollars, and they’re beginning to balk at the idea of fronting us further. But we continue to insist on electing leaders who promise us more of the same. We will eventually reach a point where this fiscal house of cards collapses entirely under its own weight, and that truly will be the end of the nation as we know it.

  • superdestroyer
    You can forget about any kind of fix. When SEnator Obama is elected in a rout, the core groups of the dominate Democratic Party will expect to be rewarded (See California as an example after Gray Davis was elected).

    Being fiscal conservative in the Democratic Party means desiring extremely high taxes and having to believe that high taxes have no effect on the economy (listen to any show on Air America to hear this view point).
  • Davebo
    Bob Barr's party doubled our federal debt in 8 years. I'm happy he seems to have seen the light, but it's a bit late now Bob.
  • CStanley
    I always think it's bizarre when I read the type of reaction like Davebo's above. Why does it make sense to you to punish the GOP with a broad brush instead of rewarding those in the party who've been contrarians? Bob Barr didn't change, he left his party because he wasn't able to keep the rest of the party to the ideals it was supposed to support.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    You know that saying about what assumptions make?

    Well, the crunch actually begins much sooner than that — in 2011, when Social Security’s cash flow turns negative, because of the first wave of baby-boom retirements.


    The same people who say this often note how little the boomers actually have in savings. I really wonder what their assumptions are on numbers of boomers retiring and how they relate to the number of boomers who will be working much longer than that because of a low rate of retirement savings. Will there really be that many retirees? How many will "retire" only to work part time and therefore still pay into the system? I really question some of those numbers and the basis used for them.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    Barr glossed over the costs of the wars. Haven't Republicans claimed the presence of barbarians at our gates while also cutting taxes at the same time?

    The message that you can have tax cuts and then also have a of of free stuff on top of that (free stuff = someone else will pay for it) worked pretty well for them at the ballot box, hasn't it?

    Which party has more credibility?

    I don't think it's the party that fought two (poorly managed) wars and created the largest entitlement program since the 1960's while also cutting taxes.
  • superdestroyer
    Jim,

    The number of workers relative to the number of receiptants is the important numbers. As the baby boomers begin to withdraw, the number of payers can stay the same but the outlays start going up. Of course, then general revenue fund will have to come up with more money to make up for the loss in receipts from the social security trust fund's purchase of goverment bonds (really it is just moving money among a number of federal government accounts).

    Look at how bad the projections have been on Social security and image who bad they will be for nationalized health care under a Democratic Party dominate government that supported open borders and unlimited immigration.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    I always think it's bizarre when I read the type of reaction like CStanley's above.

    She seems to think that no matter how poorly her party performs in office, you can always find some member of her party to reward with your vote.

    Unless she's suggesting that McCain supporters ought to switch their votes to Barr, in which case, I apologize for misreading.
  • Davebo
    CStanley says
    I always think it's bizarre when I read the type of reaction like Davebo's above. Why does it make sense to you to punish the GOP with a broad brush instead of rewarding those in the party who've been contrarians? Bob Barr didn't change


    Are you typing that with a straight face?

    Let's review his Libertarian street creds shall we?

    "Barr was originally a strong supporter of the War on Drugs, reflecting his previous experience as an Anti-Drug Coordinator for the United States Department of Justice.[8] While in Congress, he was a member of the Speaker's Task Force for a Drug-Free America.[31] This task force was established in 1998 by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich to "design a World War II-style victory plan to save America's children from illegal drugs."[32] The task force crafted legislation specifically designed to "win the War on Drugs by 2002.
    Barr advocated complete federal prohibition of medical marijuana. In 1998, He successfully blocked implementation of Initiative 59[35] — the "Legalization of Marijuana for Medical Treatment Initiative of 1998"


    Barr took a lead in legislative debate concerning same-sex marriage. He authored and sponsored the Defense of Marriage Act, a law enacted in 1996 which states that only marriages that are between a man and a woman can be federally recognized

    Voted for the Patriot Act.


    Voted for the War in Iraq

    Controversially proposed that the Pentagon ban the practice of Wicca in the military


    So basically, if he hasn't changed what the heck is he doing running as a Libertarian?
  • Jazz is exactly right here:
    Far more likely is the scenario where the bailout will temporarily push the “crisis” further down the road and we, as a nation, will go back to simply refusing to think about an unpleasant reality.

    We've done this so many times, it's become CV that the road is endless, and therefore the can can be kicked indefinitely.

    Unfortunately, this is no longer a can. My thinking goes more along the lines of a freight train barreling down the tracks, as we madly lay more track in front of it. Nobody's noticed that we're deeply into a box canyon, and the end of this track is a cliff wall.
  • timr
    My understanding is that the CURRENT ACTUAL DEBT is somewhere about 75Trillion dollars. This is due to all the "off budget" items and the current account deficits. The crunch won't be in 30-50 years. It is happening right now. The govt is printing money like crazy, which makes our money cheaper across the board but is not sustainable in the long run. Some day we will have to pay back all the debt we have been running up since the Reagan years. I recently heard someone in the bush administration say that deficits don't matter because our economy is so big. Wonder what that poor soul has to say now. Unregulated capitalism does not work. It turns into a vast feeding frenzy(just like sharks in a feeding frenzy). The bush govt knew that this moment was coming for more than a year,but hoped that it would not happen until after bush left office.In fact most of those in congress know the real amount of the debt but they feel it would be political suicide to tell the truth. I can see a return to the 50s-60s tax rates in the future just to pay off our debt.
  • kritt11
    timr- Wasn't Cheney the one who said deficits don't matter?

    Well, apparently they do!

    There are some unforeseen consequences of other policies as well. In Prince William Cty, Virginia, the value of some townhouses plunged by over $100,000 when anti-immigration fervor caused some legal immigrants, who were prominent in the community, to abandon their properties and head elsewhere. (story is in today's WaPo)
  • kritt11
    SD- Don't you think each party has core interest groups who expect to be rewarded after an election? You can't blame the current deficit and financial mess solely on Democrats! And the last Democrat left the WH with the economy in good shape.
  • Silhouette
    I believe that both men have very definite ideas about exact specifics of how they're going to tweak the economy.

    Bear that in mind when you consider the following.

    McCain's secret plans are to do whatever it takes to stay in Iraq, continue BigOil's hostile and illegal takeover of oil there, and continue the backroom gravy train for bloated monopolies that pad his and his buddies' pockets at the expense of the basic american citizen.

    Obama's secret plan is to do basically the exact opposite of McCain's plan.

    Neither man wants to advertise their stance because it will offend too many voters right now. What Congress is really up to at this point is what I like to call a strong-armed compromise. The GOP knows the dems could bury them with evidence that links our country's demise directly to them and just them. Dems know that if they speak too loudly about the good and prudent plans they have on the backburner to rescue our country, that too many short-sided, pinheaded voters will hear the battlecries of the ensuing GOP media-circus and rush en masse to cut off their nose to spite their very own faces.

    So there is a tenuous compromise to hedge around until aftter the election..duct-taping the economy until a leader can emerge to turn our nation either into an accelerated spiral into hell or a slow, steady plod back to health. And I think you know which candidate will accomplish which..
  • superdestroyer
    kritt,

    You well know that the Clinton accomplished those short term budget surplus while having a Republican Congress. The Republicans were much more fiscal conservatives when they were keeping Clinton from starting any new programs.

    Do you really think that Robert Byrd as chiarmen of the Senate appropriations committee will limit the spending of the Obama Administration? If you answer honestly, then you know what will happen to the budget when the Democrats are in charge of everything.

    The real question is what will happen to the budget as the U.S. becomes a one party state. Looking at deficits at the state levels in very blue states like Maryland or California, it will not be a pretty picture.
  • You well know that the Clinton accomplished those short term budget surplus while having a Republican Congress. The Republicans were much more fiscal conservatives when they were keeping Clinton from starting any new programs.


    I'm not sure that I would agree with all of superdestroyer's conclusions, but he brings up a good point.

    Yes, we had surpluses in the late 90's, but the fact that a Democrat was president wasn't what caused the surpluses. With Democrats in control of the White House and Republicans in control of Congress, we had divided government.

    Yes, we have deficits during the 00's, but that fact that a Republican was president wasn't what caused the deficits. With Republicans in control of the White House for the last 7 1/2 years and Republicans in control of Congress during most of that time, we had one party control of government.

    The last 70 years of American history shows again and again that spending goes up much faster during periods in which the same party controls Congress and the White House and goes up much slower during periods in which we have divided government.

    In other words, assuming Democrats maintain control of both Houses of Congress (which I believe is inevitable), the election of Obama doesn't bode well for keeping spending under control.

    Obama has rightly pointed out that our government's $600 billion war in Iraq certainly hasn't helped our financial situation. But Obama hasn't mentioned a single area where he wants to cut government spending and has proposed several areas where he would increase it.

    More government spending...that's not change we can believe in.
  • pacatrue
    Hey, nic. Obama actually has pointed out a few areas in which he'd cut spending, but they are all rather small with the exception of the Iraq war. (Similar to McCain's vagueness on cutting spending except for earmarks until the freeze proposal during the debate.) He's also posted a Pay as you Go principle in his issues areas, but 1) I haven't checked on it in a while and 2) I've never ever heard him mention it in a speech, so.... In general, though, yeah, neither candidate wishes to control spending in a major way. Obama wants to give the money to areas he thinks are important; McCain wants to not collect the money with lower taxes on the wealthy and hope we will just grow out of deficits over time.

    I have some interest in divided government, but neither party has shown any interest in controlling spending in the last 8 years at least. The Republicans don't seem to bring strong fiscal conservatism to their side any more. Instead it's social conservatism. If I could get another party to hammer Obama on spending, I'd think about the benefits of divided government, but I've seen little evidence the Republicans would actually bring this. If that's the case, might as well go with Dems all around so that at least the governing philosophy is semi-coherent.
  • DLS
    "Does 75 years seem remote? Well, the crunch actually begins much sooner than that — in 2011, when Social Security’s cash flow turns negative, because of the first wave of baby-boom retirements."

    Actually, we have a few more years, but only a few. I've tried warning the ignorant about this for years, largely without success; many prefer to remain ignorant or in denial.

    The year is actually 2016 or 2017 right now. That's when the program begins to actually reach an operating deficits. The "bonds" in the "trust funds" of course have no value at all. In order to redeem the bonds so that benefits can continue to be paid in full, more revenues have to be found, from elsewhere in the budget, or from new or higher taxes, or from more borrowing. There is no denying or escaping this fact.

    Subjecting all income over the current cap (approximately $90,000 annually) to the Social Security payroll tax (without the bizarre or suspicious "doughnut hole" in the Obama plan -- is it a sop to affluent liberals or a setup for higher federal income tax rate for them as well as for those over $250,000?) will delay the onset of deficits by only a year or two, depending on the adjustment (or, if degenerate, no adjustment) in the benefits of those subject to additional, new taxes. By 2020 we'll see a need for more revenue to pay Social Security benefits in full. No denial, no escape possible.
  • DLS
    "The number of workers relative to the number of receiptants is the important numbers"

    Dependency ratios will go up more than most people realize. (Our only consolation is relative: Europe's problems will be much worse.) I have stated accurately before that the retirement age for government programs and other related laws (airline pilots, to name one example) should be age seventy now. There is nothing sacred about age 65 and this is obviously too young and too early. (Disagreements are not due to facts but merely to emotions and to politics.) If we wanted to keep dependency ratios at a reasonable level, we'd have to actually go beyond the legitimate modern retirement age of seventy, into the mid-seventies. And as with Europe and elsewhere, our problems are less bad than elsewhere because we aren't aging as much as other nations are. Europe would have to see retirement ages moved to the late seventies or beyond, and some east Asian countries would require retirement ages in the eighties. This obviously isn't say this should, much less will, be done, but it serves well to illustrate the aging problem we're going to face. Related to that we'll see some effects on the economy. Namely, there will be a large-scale sell-off of assets to finance retirements, while at the same time, a larger dependent class may subject the economy to inflationary pressures (more consumers for less producers, which is not limited to a future labor shortage). Addressing this is not going to be easy. One way suggested is to index the retirement age to the ever-changing, normally increasing life spans of people (true for the USA). This is the correct thing but faces a lot of opposition, including many among the ignorant and childish who actually assume and expect to retire earlier (at government expense), not later, in defiance of the facts and common sense. (It was this group to whom Bill Clinton appealed at the end of his presidency by suggesting some federal retirement benefits become available at age 55 rather than age 65. It was a shameless appeal to emotion.)
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