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obama mccain, lower case debate

Thrust and parry aside, John McCain had the memorable glyph, speaking (paraphrased) about seeing 20th century Cold War KGB still reflected in 21st century Putin’s eyes.

Whining is often an indication, in children, that the child is frustrated, indignant, or expects not to win the argument. Think back over the conversation tonight. Both men had their whiny moments, Barack particularly, his voice rising into soprano range on health care, and McCain going a bit sing-song on North Korea. There were other intervals where cadence and tone and timbre of voice seemed to indicate stalling for time, pre-planned rote responses, and being set back on one’s heels a bit.

If this debate were sheet music, the pages would be black with notes representing the word “I” in the language of each… ‘I said, I did, I noticed, I said long ago, I told the congress, etc. I knew that before so and so did, I talked about that long before others did… et al, all that I said, I knew, I foreshadowed’…. all this looking more like fiesta-real: The Strutting of the Roosters. But, crowing about what he/they knew and said and when, is not debate; nor new information.

The information that was given re strategies each man had in mind re economic policy, war, mainstreet versus wallstreet (so repetitive a phrase it kind of makes your eyes spin like whirlygigs after a while)… and so on, were skeletal.

No real meat of naming players by name, places by name, institutions by name, step A, B, C, who would be called in (by name) what they would be asked to do (by specific discrete actions).

Some want to say obama won. Some want to say mccain won. I’d say it was not enough of a contest nor battle of minds to declare anyone a decisive ‘winner’ …though both men said interesting things, and of course, with personal passion.

The rapidity of the pundits to declare one man or the other ‘the winner’ tonight, reminded me of little kids walking toward the house, and one suddenly takes off running, reaching the porch before the other and crowing “I won!” without the exact terms to judge who’d win such a ‘competition’ ever being posted beforehand.

A basketball game has specific rules of fouls and gains; referees that have the say-so; there’s a scoreboard. Not just an applause-o-meter, wherein a competition is decided by whichever side’s supporters red-line the meter the most.

It’d be interesting if there were more objective ways to measure who ‘wins’ a debate. But perhaps objective assessment is not the point of political debates. Perhaps political debates of our times are a little more like two warriors banging their shields as a preliminary to actual engagement on the issues fierce and hard… later.

we’ll see.
later.

  • spirasol
    I actually found the debate somewhat boring........both candidates sometimes reduced to a childhood squabble. I saw no clear winner, and no clear moments of celebration.

    Whatever the answers, they were given as if an answer to another question about loyalty, age, experience, security, etc. ....or maybe as Dr. E suggests, they was no real meat.

    McCain seems to me, to be irritated or angry and condescending and I suppose that is suppose to prove something (perhaps signaling the correct model for reacting to an elite upstart black man with the audacity to think he could run for office. Yes, that is take I have, my projection.

    Obama's caring and willingness to acknowledge his opponent might be admirable in the Dali Llama, but it feels greasy after the second time (I think he did it about x4)

    I think boring too, because in many cases they agree with each other........where I stand apart on many issues. My only hope is that Obama moves as much to the left as Bush moved to the right when the latter was elected.

    Since I don't really believe in the war on terror (it's a catch-all misnomer that groups everyone domestic or foreign into hate groups they don't belong in), I dont' see as many shadow groups everywhere wanting to overthrow us and it frightens and bores me, if that is possible, to hear two men carve out all the possible nations we may soon be at war with. The list is long. we have many perceived enemies. Some of them may have just cause, and diplomacy may help a lot in soothing tempers and fostering mutually rewarding relationships.
  • spirasol
    Oh I forgot to add that I love your musical metaphor, Dr. E. and would add this song had no hook and very little melody...........more like a new age dirge people use to help them get to sleep at night.
  • archangel
    "....to hear two men carve out all the possible nations we may soon be at war with..."

    old cold war thinking; domino theory updated to what I guess i'd call 'scattershot theory.' But listening to their words, still based on idea that if one nation becomes/gets/has X, then second and third and fourth nations will unite/ demand same X... all of which cannot be allowed.

    In some cultures, those are old empire/colonization bones.... A good many I think, are looking for a fresh paradigm, as you say.

    dr.e
  • river
    so agree with how you saw the debates. . . started laughing about the "I" useage. . . noticed that too. . . woudn't it be fun to have a debate with the guidline that are often given by spiritual teachers in Eastern traditions----speak without the use of personal pronoun. . . now that would be an interesting debate. . .points could be subtracted each time they failed. . . .maybe it would lead them into the realm of silence and thoughtfulness. . . wouldn't that be something. . .
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