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		<title>By: Palin : ‘in My World,’ ‘it is Obvious To Me Who the Good Guys…and &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palin : ‘in My World,’ ‘it is Obvious To Me Who the Good Guys…and &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain vs. Obama in Ole’ Miss. Brief Post Debate thoughts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, kritt, either by those who are actually  war criminals or by nanny-state assisted-living-facility dwellers in EU-nuchland who lost all cred in the 20th c. by defining the outer limits of war criminality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, kritt, either by those who are actually  war criminals or by nanny-state assisted-living-facility dwellers in EU-nuchland who lost all cred in the 20th c. by defining the outer limits of war criminality.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jspencer---&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Unfortunately any administration official or ex official  who has been tied  closely to US foreign policy (including the current batch) is probably considered a war criminal somewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jspencer&#8212;</p>
<p> Unfortunately any administration official or ex official  who has been tied  closely to US foreign policy (including the current batch) is probably considered a war criminal somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: janinedm</title>
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		<dc:creator>janinedm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stockboy, here you go:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In a foreign policy forum on Sept. 15, Kissinger said: &quot;I am in favor of negotiating with Iran.&quot; He went on to say, &quot;I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level&quot; and the U.S. should go into the talks with &quot;a clear understanding of what is it we&#039;re trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can&#039;t achieve what we&#039;re talking about? But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.aol.com/story/_a/fact-checking-the-first-presidential/n20080927011209990004&quot;&gt;http://news.aol.com/story/_a/fact-checking-the-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s only misquoting if you insist, as McCain and Kissinger are doing, on mischaraterizing his position as the &lt;i&gt;president&lt;/i&gt; meeting first, without preconditions. I&#039;m biased here, but I think Obama was clear that underlings would go first. McCain, to me, came off as a little, &quot;nah nah, I can&#039;t hear you!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stockboy, here you go:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a foreign policy forum on Sept. 15, Kissinger said: &#8220;I am in favor of negotiating with Iran.&#8221; He went on to say, &#8220;I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level&#8221; and the U.S. should go into the talks with &#8220;a clear understanding of what is it we&#39;re trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can&#39;t achieve what we&#39;re talking about? But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://news.aol.com/story/_a/fact-checking-the-first-presidential/n20080927011209990004">http://news.aol.com/story/_a/fact-checking-the-&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Obama&#39;s only misquoting if you insist, as McCain and Kissinger are doing, on mischaraterizing his position as the <i>president</i> meeting first, without preconditions. I&#39;m biased here, but I think Obama was clear that underlings would go first. McCain, to me, came off as a little, &#8220;nah nah, I can&#39;t hear you!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s what Kissinger said&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So who&#039;s right? Kissinger did in fact &lt;a href=&quot;http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html&quot;&gt;say&lt;/a&gt; a few days earlier at a forum of former secretaries of state that he favors very high-level talks with Iran – without conditions:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we&#039;re dealing with authentic...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CNN&#039;s Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kissinger: Initially, yes.But &lt;b&gt;I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain, and now Kissinger, are trying to spin Obama&#039;s statement into something it wasn&#039;t... stripe out a few sound bites and you can make it sound any way you want but re-read / re-listen to the exchange as a whole. Obama&#039;s intent v. McCain&#039;s spin is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html">Here&#39;s what Kissinger said</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>So who&#39;s right? Kissinger did in fact <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html">say</a> a few days earlier at a forum of former secretaries of state that he favors very high-level talks with Iran – without conditions:<br />
<blockquote>Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we &#8212; we know we&#39;re dealing with authentic&#8230;</p>
<p>CNN&#39;s Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box?</p>
<p>Kissinger: Initially, yes.But <b>I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations</b>. </p></blockquote>
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<p>McCain, and now Kissinger, are trying to spin Obama&#39;s statement into something it wasn&#39;t&#8230; stripe out a few sound bites and you can make it sound any way you want but re-read / re-listen to the exchange as a whole. Obama&#39;s intent v. McCain&#39;s spin is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: richardTPD</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s very important to note the source of that Kissinger quote (my point being, there is no actual source except someone who says  Kissinger said it - when? to whom?). I would not take at face value any second-hand quote from the Weekly Standard&#039;s Stephen Hayes. Please look at some of Hayes&#039; past writings to see what his agenda is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s very important to note the source of that Kissinger quote (my point being, there is no actual source except someone who says  Kissinger said it &#8211; when? to whom?). I would not take at face value any second-hand quote from the Weekly Standard&#39;s Stephen Hayes. Please look at some of Hayes&#39; past writings to see what his agenda is.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz, from your update about Kissinger.... funny thing about it is that I too thought Kissinger had said what Obama claimed.  And I think it&#039;s been within the last three months....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I can&#039;t recall the exact comment and I might be dreaming (so take my comment with that in mind).  But when Obama said it my reaction was, &quot;Yes, Obama is right on this.  I remember reading about it in the paper.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the way Obama delivered it and made it into a big point, I think that Obama was telling the truth... Obama knew he would be called on such matters and he is usually  careful about such things.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This will be interesting to see it play out....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz, from your update about Kissinger&#8230;. funny thing about it is that I too thought Kissinger had said what Obama claimed.  And I think it&#39;s been within the last three months&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I can&#39;t recall the exact comment and I might be dreaming (so take my comment with that in mind).  But when Obama said it my reaction was, &#8220;Yes, Obama is right on this.  I remember reading about it in the paper.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the way Obama delivered it and made it into a big point, I think that Obama was telling the truth&#8230; Obama knew he would be called on such matters and he is usually  careful about such things.  </p>
<p>This will be interesting to see it play out&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the belief among many people that Henry Kissinger is a war criminal, maybe it shouldn&#039;t be considered so important what he thinks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Accusations_of_war_crimes_and_legal_difficulties&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Ac...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the belief among many people that Henry Kissinger is a war criminal, maybe it shouldn&#39;t be considered so important what he thinks. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Accusations_of_war_crimes_and_legal_difficulties">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Ac&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McCain already has an ad up on his website highlighting how many times Obama said that McCain was right.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absent of context... of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McCain already has an ad up on his website highlighting how many times Obama said that McCain was right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absent of context&#8230; of course.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found myself agreeing more with McCain- but I am still so angry about what his party has done to this country that I don&#039;t think I can vote for him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Also, I think his VP choice is one of the worst decisions he&#039;s made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found myself agreeing more with McCain- but I am still so angry about what his party has done to this country that I don&#39;t think I can vote for him.</p>
<p> Also, I think his VP choice is one of the worst decisions he&#39;s made.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, from the body language point of view, which actually means something to most eyeballs watching without much background on the issues---McCain seemed stiff &amp; unwilling to look Obama in the eyes &amp; kept looking at Lehrer or his notes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Otherwise a draw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, from the body language point of view, which actually means something to most eyeballs watching without much background on the issues&#8212;McCain seemed stiff &#038; unwilling to look Obama in the eyes &#038; kept looking at Lehrer or his notes. </p>
<p>Otherwise a draw.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought McCain seemed direct, Obama pleasant but too collegial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought McCain seemed direct, Obama pleasant but too collegial.</p>
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		<title>By: RyanS</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain got killed. He couldn&#039;t make a single point stick. The 18b to 300b comparison what as solid point for Obama, and McCain could only grimace.  McCain couldn&#039;t even look at Obama, his contempt was palpable.  Obama came off as unflappable and ready for any challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain got killed. He couldn&#39;t make a single point stick. The 18b to 300b comparison what as solid point for Obama, and McCain could only grimace.  McCain couldn&#39;t even look at Obama, his contempt was palpable.  Obama came off as unflappable and ready for any challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain already has an ad up on his website highlighting how many times Obama said that McCain was right.</description>
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		<title>By: lotusflwr</title>
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		<dc:creator>lotusflwr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain totally lost me -- he seemed stuck in the past, relying on anecdotes, rehashing the same tired set of points that I could not even agree with.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama came with facts, figures, records and a clear bulleted list of policies, ideologies and priorities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone is calling this a draw, but as an undecided voter, my confidence in Obama as an able leader was greatly increased by his mastery of the current situation of the global economy and foreign policy challenges and my confidence in McCain decreased dramatically because he came off as a condescending warmonger who will not improve, change or revise the divisive and detrimental foreign policy of the past 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain totally lost me &#8212; he seemed stuck in the past, relying on anecdotes, rehashing the same tired set of points that I could not even agree with.</p>
<p>Obama came with facts, figures, records and a clear bulleted list of policies, ideologies and priorities.</p>
<p>Everyone is calling this a draw, but as an undecided voter, my confidence in Obama as an able leader was greatly increased by his mastery of the current situation of the global economy and foreign policy challenges and my confidence in McCain decreased dramatically because he came off as a condescending warmonger who will not improve, change or revise the divisive and detrimental foreign policy of the past 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama won on substance and McCain won on style. Too bad I think style matters a lot more in our current political atmosphere.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whyweworry.com/blog/2008/09/26/2008-presidential-debate-i-liveblogging/#conclusion&quot;&gt;my conclusions here&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama won on substance and McCain won on style. Too bad I think style matters a lot more in our current political atmosphere.</p>
<p>More of <a href="http://www.whyweworry.com/blog/2008/09/26/2008-presidential-debate-i-liveblogging/#conclusion">my conclusions here</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was more impressed with McCain than I thought I&#039;d be. I thought he connected well with the audience. Obama needed to be a little more hard-hitting.  Honestly the biggest thing I have against McCain is his terrible choice of a VP. National security seems to be very important to him- so why pick Palin who makes Obama look like a seasoned pro?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was more impressed with McCain than I thought I&#39;d be. I thought he connected well with the audience. Obama needed to be a little more hard-hitting.  Honestly the biggest thing I have against McCain is his terrible choice of a VP. National security seems to be very important to him- so why pick Palin who makes Obama look like a seasoned pro?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis Jazz.  I would almost have to call this a draw in terms of substance.  But I did notice that Obama would talk directly to the camera more often than McCain did, and he was better able to hold my attention to what he was saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis Jazz.  I would almost have to call this a draw in terms of substance.  But I did notice that Obama would talk directly to the camera more often than McCain did, and he was better able to hold my attention to what he was saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice early round-up Jazz.  I&#039;m very interested in your take as a &quot;certified&quot; moderate and centrist, to help balance my own view of how it played out as an Obama supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice early round-up Jazz.  I&#39;m very interested in your take as a &#8220;certified&#8221; moderate and centrist, to help balance my own view of how it played out as an Obama supporter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Jazz - a draw for the most part. neither changed any minds.  The bad news for McCain - he needed a win.  McCain lost the economic part simply because most of the voters agree with Obama&#039;s positions.  The good news for McCain is he didn&#039;t look like a crazy-angry old man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Jazz &#8211; a draw for the most part. neither changed any minds.  The bad news for McCain &#8211; he needed a win.  McCain lost the economic part simply because most of the voters agree with Obama&#39;s positions.  The good news for McCain is he didn&#39;t look like a crazy-angry old man.</p>
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