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		<title>By: Across the Board: Mccain, Palin Are Huge Mistakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Across the Board: Mccain, Palin Are Huge Mistakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- you&#039;re right.  I&#039;m beyond cynical at this point.  And it&#039;s not just McCain that I&#039;m appalled by, though he&#039;s definitely the target (by virtue of having made himself one).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like most people, I think, I&#039;m horrified by the entire situation.  I cannot believe we (as in, ALL of us) are caught in this predicament.  I vacillate between thinking we should just let the whole thing crash, and cringing back from the knowledge of what will most likely happen if we do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I truly hope that those we&#039;ve elected to serve us aren&#039;t playing us all for fools.  I hate it that I&#039;ve reached a point of such distrust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; you&#39;re right.  I&#39;m beyond cynical at this point.  And it&#39;s not just McCain that I&#39;m appalled by, though he&#39;s definitely the target (by virtue of having made himself one).  </p>
<p>Like most people, I think, I&#39;m horrified by the entire situation.  I cannot believe we (as in, ALL of us) are caught in this predicament.  I vacillate between thinking we should just let the whole thing crash, and cringing back from the knowledge of what will most likely happen if we do.</p>
<p>I truly hope that those we&#39;ve elected to serve us aren&#39;t playing us all for fools.  I hate it that I&#39;ve reached a point of such distrust.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re mad at their leaders for putting lipstick on the socialism pig.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The free market is the free market: Free to prosper.  Free to tumble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to take the good with the bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#39;re mad at their leaders for putting lipstick on the socialism pig.</p>
<p>The free market is the free market: Free to prosper.  Free to tumble.</p>
<p>You have to take the good with the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paleo-conservative Dan Larison&#039;s take on the Republicans response is priceless. The post is short, so I include the entire post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://amconmag.com/larison/&quot;&gt;http://amconmag.com/larison/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Great Leadership&lt;br&gt;Wednesday, September 24th in politics by Daniel Larison&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The GOP loyalist response to McCain’s stunt has been predictable (right down to Gingrich’s Romneyesque call for a “workout, not a bailout”), and it says a great deal about what these people think constitutes leadership: opportunism, trying to hog the credit for other people’s work and, above all, a mindless dedication to taking action.  No doubt, if these were what made for great leaders McCain would be the new Augustus. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Laughably, Gingrich likens this to Eisenhower’s “I will go to Korea,” but unlike Eisenhower and the Korean war McCain has no credibility concerning the crisis he is supposedly addressing.  In the end, knowing when you can contribute something and knowing when to avoid complicating an already difficult situation by intruding on ongoing negotiations is what separates grandstanding from leadership.  It is what separates the simple egomaniacs from the ambitious pols who nonetheless have some idea what public service is.  McCain’s belief that he is indispensable in a time of crisis is the surest sign that he is unfit for any office in republican government, much less the chief magistracy of the Republic. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;His take on Palin is even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paleo-conservative Dan Larison&#39;s take on the Republicans response is priceless. The post is short, so I include the entire post.<br /><a href="http://amconmag.com/larison/">http://amconmag.com/larison/</a><br />
<blockquote>Great Leadership<br />Wednesday, September 24th in politics by Daniel Larison</p>
<p>The GOP loyalist response to McCain’s stunt has been predictable (right down to Gingrich’s Romneyesque call for a “workout, not a bailout”), and it says a great deal about what these people think constitutes leadership: opportunism, trying to hog the credit for other people’s work and, above all, a mindless dedication to taking action.  No doubt, if these were what made for great leaders McCain would be the new Augustus. </p>
<p>Laughably, Gingrich likens this to Eisenhower’s “I will go to Korea,” but unlike Eisenhower and the Korean war McCain has no credibility concerning the crisis he is supposedly addressing.  In the end, knowing when you can contribute something and knowing when to avoid complicating an already difficult situation by intruding on ongoing negotiations is what separates grandstanding from leadership.  It is what separates the simple egomaniacs from the ambitious pols who nonetheless have some idea what public service is.  McCain’s belief that he is indispensable in a time of crisis is the surest sign that he is unfit for any office in republican government, much less the chief magistracy of the Republic. </p></blockquote>
<p>His take on Palin is even better.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter_Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter_Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a mix of liberal and conservatism when it comes to fiscal issues in government. I don&#039;t like this bailout, and I&#039;m roughly 90% against it. There are other issues, and other sectors, in the economy that could use a boost before the largest corporations get their fill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happens to the small businesses of 100 or fewer employees? Don&#039;t you think that they&#039;ve had a tough time... for the last 3 or more years? This isn&#039;t a new situation of the past 5 weeks. If anything, large corporations should have been prepared for it better than anyone else, given their assets. Help the others that couldn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Provide short-term, bankrupt-proof loans of $5-15k to small businesses with 2% finance fees over the course of 1-5 years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Provide medium-term, bankrupt proof loans of $25-$50k to small or medium (100-250 people) with 4% finance fee over the course of 5-10 years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Provide an emergency family loan of $250-$1k at 0% financing over the course of 1 year. If it&#039;s paid off, families are eligible for repeat loans. Continue this program for 5 years. If need be, up financing to 0.5%.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. Expand federal school loan programs to encompass students of any age (for those losing jobs), and at longer payment schedules if needed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5. Finance a public works programs for roads, bridges, and other infrastructure needing repair. Limit contracts to same-state companies and local workers as the first priority, with price secondary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;6. Provide some system of protection where people 55+ can transfer their retirement funds from the stock market to government bonds without facing the threat of taxation during said transfer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;7. Let the stock market self correct.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;8. Let the greedy large corporations lose their money and hold on America.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;9. Let Americans grow up and do the hard work of cleaning up the crap their government created when Americans got a bit lazy themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a mix of liberal and conservatism when it comes to fiscal issues in government. I don&#39;t like this bailout, and I&#39;m roughly 90% against it. There are other issues, and other sectors, in the economy that could use a boost before the largest corporations get their fill.</p>
<p>What happens to the small businesses of 100 or fewer employees? Don&#39;t you think that they&#39;ve had a tough time&#8230; for the last 3 or more years? This isn&#39;t a new situation of the past 5 weeks. If anything, large corporations should have been prepared for it better than anyone else, given their assets. Help the others that couldn&#39;t.</p>
<p>1. Provide short-term, bankrupt-proof loans of $5-15k to small businesses with 2% finance fees over the course of 1-5 years.</p>
<p>2. Provide medium-term, bankrupt proof loans of $25-$50k to small or medium (100-250 people) with 4% finance fee over the course of 5-10 years.</p>
<p>3. Provide an emergency family loan of $250-$1k at 0% financing over the course of 1 year. If it&#39;s paid off, families are eligible for repeat loans. Continue this program for 5 years. If need be, up financing to 0.5%.</p>
<p>4. Expand federal school loan programs to encompass students of any age (for those losing jobs), and at longer payment schedules if needed.</p>
<p>5. Finance a public works programs for roads, bridges, and other infrastructure needing repair. Limit contracts to same-state companies and local workers as the first priority, with price secondary.</p>
<p>6. Provide some system of protection where people 55+ can transfer their retirement funds from the stock market to government bonds without facing the threat of taxation during said transfer.</p>
<p>7. Let the stock market self correct.</p>
<p>8. Let the greedy large corporations lose their money and hold on America.</p>
<p>9. Let Americans grow up and do the hard work of cleaning up the crap their government created when Americans got a bit lazy themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats WERE ready to act- but they are not going to pass anything unless there is bipartisan support for it, and I don&#039;t blame them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats WERE ready to act- but they are not going to pass anything unless there is bipartisan support for it, and I don&#39;t blame them.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the country is going to H in a handbasket, but I have to admit that after all the years we were forced to  watch them rubber stamp Bush&#039;s policies, its kind of  enjoyable to watch  them squirm.  Just imagine all the angry calls and emails they are getting from conservative constituents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the country is going to H in a handbasket, but I have to admit that after all the years we were forced to  watch them rubber stamp Bush&#39;s policies, its kind of  enjoyable to watch  them squirm.  Just imagine all the angry calls and emails they are getting from conservative constituents!</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night Barney Frank was saying the Democrats had reached an agreement . . . with the Democrats . . . and he had the votes among the Democrats to pass it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wondered at the time where the GOP was in all of that . . . and whether Frank was saying that to undercut McCain.  So we see now that Frank does not have the votes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark and Elrod are right . . . there is a lot of anger among Republicans . . . directed at other Republicans.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said . . . I don&#039;t know how much McCain can do about it . . . as there is a lot of anger at him too.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a perfect example of why the United States needs a strong executive figure . . . somebody like a President or something . . . who can step in and take charge in a time of crisis, and rally the nation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is unfortunate that there is no such creature. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night Barney Frank was saying the Democrats had reached an agreement . . . with the Democrats . . . and he had the votes among the Democrats to pass it.</p>
<p>I wondered at the time where the GOP was in all of that . . . and whether Frank was saying that to undercut McCain.  So we see now that Frank does not have the votes.</p>
<p>Mark and Elrod are right . . . there is a lot of anger among Republicans . . . directed at other Republicans.  </p>
<p>That said . . . I don&#39;t know how much McCain can do about it . . . as there is a lot of anger at him too.    </p>
<p>This is a perfect example of why the United States needs a strong executive figure . . . somebody like a President or something . . . who can step in and take charge in a time of crisis, and rally the nation.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that there is no such creature. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the danger of electing ideologues--- -their policies don&#039;t work in the real world-- their conservative &quot;principles&quot; are all they can pretend to stand for. If they vote for this, even that pretense will be taken away from them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given a real crisis they will stand on principle all the way into the abyss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the danger of electing ideologues&#8212; -their policies don&#39;t work in the real world&#8211; their conservative &#8220;principles&#8221; are all they can pretend to stand for. If they vote for this, even that pretense will be taken away from them.</p>
<p>Given a real crisis they will stand on principle all the way into the abyss!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George beat me to it. Compromise has been a dirty word in the Republican lexicon for years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George beat me to it. Compromise has been a dirty word in the Republican lexicon for years now.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are never in a compromising mood. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Think about it.</description>
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<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am as far from a conservative as anyone can get, and I don&#039;t want to see these people being bailed out. If these institutions must be bailed out, nationalize them, wipe out the stock holders, sue the executives so that by the time they get out of court, they have nothing but the shirts on their backs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the shoe was on the other foot, they would send me to the poor house with giving it a second thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am as far from a conservative as anyone can get, and I don&#39;t want to see these people being bailed out. If these institutions must be bailed out, nationalize them, wipe out the stock holders, sue the executives so that by the time they get out of court, they have nothing but the shirts on their backs.</p>
<p>If the shoe was on the other foot, they would send me to the poor house with giving it a second thought.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the problem. The anger is real from conservatives. But the solutions are non-existent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I watched Senator Shelby rail against the Paulson plan (without mentioning that the Dodd-Frank bill is quite a bit different on issues that anger Shelby) and never once offered a counter-proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s the problem. The anger is real from conservatives. But the solutions are non-existent.</p>
<p>I watched Senator Shelby rail against the Paulson plan (without mentioning that the Dodd-Frank bill is quite a bit different on issues that anger Shelby) and never once offered a counter-proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the republicans expect to have any credibility at this juncture is a mystery to me, particularly when it comes to concerns about the middle class. Are they turning over a new leaf? They must think the American people are fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the republicans expect to have any credibility at this juncture is a mystery to me, particularly when it comes to concerns about the middle class. Are they turning over a new leaf? They must think the American people are fools.</p>
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