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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22926/debates-and-the-law-of-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-154238</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to be cynical and penetrating, consider that it may be a rare attempt by McCain also to lend support to the Bush administration -- though if you want to be more cynical than penetrating, it&#039;s also very much in McCain&#039;s self-interest, be he the next President or still in the Senate next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be cynical and penetrating, consider that it may be a rare attempt by McCain also to lend support to the Bush administration &#8212; though if you want to be more cynical than penetrating, it&#39;s also very much in McCain&#39;s self-interest, be he the next President or still in the Senate next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22926/debates-and-the-law-of-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-154229</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My understanding is that McCain did, in fact, agree to that.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Polimom . . . the tic-toc sounds sort of confused, from what I have heard. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I  partly sympathize with Obama, as it seems he was blindsided on this one.  As near as I can figure, McCain saw some opportunity to expand upon Obama&#039;s suggestion to have them both in DC leading the resolution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyhow, I will retreat to my position that while McCain may have meant well . . . I do believe it a very political gambit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My understanding is that McCain did, in fact, agree to that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Polimom . . . the tic-toc sounds sort of confused, from what I have heard. </p>
<p>I  partly sympathize with Obama, as it seems he was blindsided on this one.  As near as I can figure, McCain saw some opportunity to expand upon Obama&#39;s suggestion to have them both in DC leading the resolution.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I will retreat to my position that while McCain may have meant well . . . I do believe it a very political gambit.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22926/debates-and-the-law-of-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-154228</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeorgeSorwell said:  &quot;Just because McCain is doing something unusual, doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s doing something sensible.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What you say is very true.  But what McCain is doing is characteristically McCain, no?  He plays wild cards that may be disastrous or inspired  . . . or both.  A lot of conservatives still have whiplash from the Palin pick, while a lot of liberals have not recovered their sensibilities from it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have no idea at all how this will play out.  But McCain has taken the initiative . . .which he had lost.  Obama responded.  Now it is McCain&#039;s turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeorgeSorwell said:  &#8220;Just because McCain is doing something unusual, doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s doing something sensible.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you say is very true.  But what McCain is doing is characteristically McCain, no?  He plays wild cards that may be disastrous or inspired  . . . or both.  A lot of conservatives still have whiplash from the Palin pick, while a lot of liberals have not recovered their sensibilities from it.</p>
<p>I have no idea at all how this will play out.  But McCain has taken the initiative . . .which he had lost.  Obama responded.  Now it is McCain&#39;s turn.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22926/debates-and-the-law-of-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-154208</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Obama has the advantage at the moment. A joint statement would preserve his advantage on the economy.  Why should McCain agree to that?  &quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My understanding is that McCain did, in fact, agree to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Obama has the advantage at the moment. A joint statement would preserve his advantage on the economy.  Why should McCain agree to that?  &#8220;</em></p>
<p>My understanding is that McCain did, in fact, agree to that.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama&#039;s wanting McCain to issue a joint statement with him was similarly self-interested&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True enough. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But--maybe removing this issue wouldn&#039;t have preserved Obama&#039;s advantage.  Wouldn&#039;t removing this issue from partisan politics have benefited John McCain even more, since this issue is such a loser for him? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not to mention, possibly making a solution easier to achieve? Wouldn&#039;t a solution have, possibly, detoxified this issue somewhat? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wouldn&#039;t McCain now be able to claim a successful example of bipartisanship in the face of all kinds of partisan jockeying for position? Which seems to have been the goal (unless, really, the goal was simply to avoid a public debate). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Doesn&#039;t the notion of McCain trying to fix the economy just serve to remind the voters that he doesn&#039;t know much about the economy?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just because McCain is doing something unusual, doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s doing something sensible. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or useful. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or even helpful to himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama&#39;s wanting McCain to issue a joint statement with him was similarly self-interested</p></blockquote>
<p>True enough. </p>
<p>But&#8211;maybe removing this issue wouldn&#39;t have preserved Obama&#39;s advantage.  Wouldn&#39;t removing this issue from partisan politics have benefited John McCain even more, since this issue is such a loser for him? </p>
<p>Not to mention, possibly making a solution easier to achieve? Wouldn&#39;t a solution have, possibly, detoxified this issue somewhat? </p>
<p>Wouldn&#39;t McCain now be able to claim a successful example of bipartisanship in the face of all kinds of partisan jockeying for position? Which seems to have been the goal (unless, really, the goal was simply to avoid a public debate). </p>
<p>Doesn&#39;t the notion of McCain trying to fix the economy just serve to remind the voters that he doesn&#39;t know much about the economy?</p>
<p>Just because McCain is doing something unusual, doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s doing something sensible. </p>
<p>Or useful. </p>
<p>Or even helpful to himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polimom...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would argue that everything is political in an election year.  People are just desperate not to want to &quot;appear political&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Recall the Iran Hostage Crisis.  That was a very political issue in the 1980 election, which everyone was desperate to try to appear nonpartisan about . . .being political all the while.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FDR was calculating political advantage throughout WW II.  As was Churchill.&lt;br&gt;They did their nations&#039; business . . . but calculated nonetheless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain is doing the same here.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After all . . . Obama&#039;s wanting McCain to issue a joint statement with him was similarly self-interested:  He wanted to tie McCain to committing to a plan . . . removing the possibility Democrats had publicly worried about if they passed a plan with Bush, and McCain denounced it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama has the advantage at the moment.  A joint statement would preserve his advantage on the economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why should McCain agree to that? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain may well lose this election.  But he will not be Bob Dole Redux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polimom&#8230;</p>
<p>I would argue that everything is political in an election year.  People are just desperate not to want to &#8220;appear political&#8221;.</p>
<p>Recall the Iran Hostage Crisis.  That was a very political issue in the 1980 election, which everyone was desperate to try to appear nonpartisan about . . .being political all the while.  </p>
<p>FDR was calculating political advantage throughout WW II.  As was Churchill.<br />They did their nations&#39; business . . . but calculated nonetheless.</p>
<p>McCain is doing the same here.  </p>
<p>After all . . . Obama&#39;s wanting McCain to issue a joint statement with him was similarly self-interested:  He wanted to tie McCain to committing to a plan . . . removing the possibility Democrats had publicly worried about if they passed a plan with Bush, and McCain denounced it. </p>
<p>Obama has the advantage at the moment.  A joint statement would preserve his advantage on the economy.</p>
<p>Why should McCain agree to that? </p>
<p>McCain may well lose this election.  But he will not be Bob Dole Redux.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get this. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There was a Civil War in this country and we didn&#039;t suspend electoral campaigning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t get this. </p>
<p>There was a Civil War in this country and we didn&#39;t suspend electoral campaigning.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a preface to my comment, I would like to remind folks that I&#039;ve voted for D&#039;s, R&#039;s, and Indies in the past, and I voted for John McCain in 2000... but (and I&#039;m sorry to say) this strikes me as another political gimmick.  What&#039;s next, a suspension of the election? Gimma a break. There is plenty of room for the debate AND the work of government. John, John, John...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a preface to my comment, I would like to remind folks that I&#39;ve voted for D&#39;s, R&#39;s, and Indies in the past, and I voted for John McCain in 2000&#8230; but (and I&#39;m sorry to say) this strikes me as another political gimmick.  What&#39;s next, a suspension of the election? Gimma a break. There is plenty of room for the debate AND the work of government. John, John, John&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom Says &#187; McCain Reaches for his Mavericky Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom Says &#187; McCain Reaches for his Mavericky Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More Polimom cynicism on display here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More Polimom cynicism on display here. [...]</p>
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