Comments on: 269: The Number of the (Political) Beast http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 28 May 2012 21:04:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: soc73 http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-155289 soc73 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:32:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-155289 Two Problems:<br><br>The CONSTITUTION says that the HOUSE OF RFEPRESENTATIVES break the tie.<br>It is more complicated - each STATE - gets one vote. The Senate has NOTHING to do with it.<br><br>Second Problem: It is the NEW CONGRESS that votes.<br><br>Right now, the majority of states are DEM and it would likely stay that way.<br><br>In the event that a delegation is split (like AZ) they can vote 1/2 vote for each side. Two Problems:

The CONSTITUTION says that the HOUSE OF RFEPRESENTATIVES break the tie.
It is more complicated – each STATE – gets one vote. The Senate has NOTHING to do with it.

Second Problem: It is the NEW CONGRESS that votes.

Right now, the majority of states are DEM and it would likely stay that way.

In the event that a delegation is split (like AZ) they can vote 1/2 vote for each side.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154096 Silhouette Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:19:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154096 Your points illustrate why it is imperative for democrats to take their sweet time in resolving this financial crunch. The longer it goes on for, the better the poll numbers for Obama. Period. <br><br>If they actually get some brass ho-hos and stand up to the GOP and pass Trickle-Up economics that immediately benefit the voters and put the tycoons on the waiting list for funds to come through (instead of the exact opposite scenario), they not only will stave off the second coming of The French Revolution, but they will stroke the fur of the voters so nicely and in such the right direction that that kitty will purrrrrrr purrrrrr purrrrrrrr right up to the day we cast our overwhelming votes for the democratic nominee. <br><br>The GOP really is in a headlock this time. I'm not saying we should get cocky. What I am saying is that we should grab the opportunity while it's here and run with it all the way to the Oval Office and onto Capitol Hill. Your points illustrate why it is imperative for democrats to take their sweet time in resolving this financial crunch. The longer it goes on for, the better the poll numbers for Obama. Period.

If they actually get some brass ho-hos and stand up to the GOP and pass Trickle-Up economics that immediately benefit the voters and put the tycoons on the waiting list for funds to come through (instead of the exact opposite scenario), they not only will stave off the second coming of The French Revolution, but they will stroke the fur of the voters so nicely and in such the right direction that that kitty will purrrrrrr purrrrrr purrrrrrrr right up to the day we cast our overwhelming votes for the democratic nominee.

The GOP really is in a headlock this time. I'm not saying we should get cocky. What I am saying is that we should grab the opportunity while it's here and run with it all the way to the Oval Office and onto Capitol Hill.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154078 DLS Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:38:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154078 J. West: "Dick Cheney. Hero. Patriot." I can visualize the lib temper tantrums already!<br><br>Jazz, were your GOP friends really that cocky? That's outdoing a lot of Obamaniacs earlier this year.<br><br>Also, if this is another close race and the electoral vote is not the same as the popular vote, will there be more demands for changing to direct election of the president and vice president? If McCain wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral vote and the White House, will the predictable lefties suddenly be absent with their complaints? Will they suddenly "discover" the virtues of and defend the Electoral College?<br><br>Stockster: The VP role is not merely ceremonial (in early days it was subject to being adversarial -- what if McCain won this year as President and Biden or Pelosi became the next Vice President?). It ought to be like the first officer on a ship, executive VP of a business, the nation's "super-governor" (#1 domestic affairs official with whom the governors of state should interact).<br><br><br>How are things leading up to the first debate? Like this (note late effect of economy)<br><br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08_VS.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...</a><br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08_WTA.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...</a><br><br><br>I'll be on the road in Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Missouri on Friday and hope to hear the debates on the radio while near the end of the journey. J. West: “Dick Cheney. Hero. Patriot.” I can visualize the lib temper tantrums already!

Jazz, were your GOP friends really that cocky? That's outdoing a lot of Obamaniacs earlier this year.

Also, if this is another close race and the electoral vote is not the same as the popular vote, will there be more demands for changing to direct election of the president and vice president? If McCain wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral vote and the White House, will the predictable lefties suddenly be absent with their complaints? Will they suddenly “discover” the virtues of and defend the Electoral College?

Stockster: The VP role is not merely ceremonial (in early days it was subject to being adversarial — what if McCain won this year as President and Biden or Pelosi became the next Vice President?). It ought to be like the first officer on a ship, executive VP of a business, the nation's “super-governor” (#1 domestic affairs official with whom the governors of state should interact).

How are things leading up to the first debate? Like this (note late effect of economy)

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08…

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08…

I'll be on the road in Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Missouri on Friday and hope to hear the debates on the radio while near the end of the journey.

]]> By: jwest http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154063 jwest Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:10:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154063 Having Dick Cheney cast the deciding vote in the Senate for McCain/Palin would just be icing on the cake.<br><br>Liberal heads would explode across the country. Having Dick Cheney cast the deciding vote in the Senate for McCain/Palin would just be icing on the cake.

Liberal heads would explode across the country.

]]> By: jeff_pickens http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154060 jeff_pickens Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:03:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154060 Jazz,<br>what surprises me most about this (and generally every) election is the degree to which polls change as the election goes forward. I always ask myself "why?" when the party platforms haven't changed, the framing ideology is unchanged. All that seems to move public opinion is the lower-level, limbic-structure target commercials and attack-ads that, given their effectiveness, leave me with the impression that we are creatures motivated by primitive instincts and gut-level certainties. And to me that's a sad impression, as true as it might be.<br><br>Do you ever really ponder how scary and tenuous is our collective reasoning? Should I just "loosen up" and consider this all just somehow "fun?" It's hard to consider it "fun" (as some of my friends do) when I think that my country will choose its leadership with a degree of consideration that hasn't stepped much forward from when I was a high-school student voting for "most popular" or "most handsome." What else could explain the huge swings from Palin's popularity surge forward to backward, or Obama's recent gains? Jazz,
what surprises me most about this (and generally every) election is the degree to which polls change as the election goes forward. I always ask myself “why?” when the party platforms haven't changed, the framing ideology is unchanged. All that seems to move public opinion is the lower-level, limbic-structure target commercials and attack-ads that, given their effectiveness, leave me with the impression that we are creatures motivated by primitive instincts and gut-level certainties. And to me that's a sad impression, as true as it might be.

Do you ever really ponder how scary and tenuous is our collective reasoning? Should I just “loosen up” and consider this all just somehow “fun?” It's hard to consider it “fun” (as some of my friends do) when I think that my country will choose its leadership with a degree of consideration that hasn't stepped much forward from when I was a high-school student voting for “most popular” or “most handsome.” What else could explain the huge swings from Palin's popularity surge forward to backward, or Obama's recent gains?

]]> By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154053 StockBoySF Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:49:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154053 If Obama was Prez and Palin VP I'm sure Obama, being the student of the Constitution would take McCain's advice and follow the Constitution's original intent and restore the office of the VP to be a largely ceremonial position... <br><br>Seriously though.... it seems the only candidates that count in this election are Obama and Palin... they are the ones energizing their respective parties so it makes sense to have a "unity" executive branch. Obama talks about unifying the country and this would be a good way to do so. He can make lemonade from lemons... It's not as though the GOP can complain about Palin as VP... after all they did choose her.... If Obama was Prez and Palin VP I'm sure Obama, being the student of the Constitution would take McCain's advice and follow the Constitution's original intent and restore the office of the VP to be a largely ceremonial position…

Seriously though…. it seems the only candidates that count in this election are Obama and Palin… they are the ones energizing their respective parties so it makes sense to have a “unity” executive branch. Obama talks about unifying the country and this would be a good way to do so. He can make lemonade from lemons… It's not as though the GOP can complain about Palin as VP… after all they did choose her….

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154044 Jazz Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:32:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154044 I too would not be shocked if the first debate pulls at least half the audience the superbowl gets, and I find that encouraging. More shocking, I will go out on a limb and predict that the VP debate (which is normally a non-event for ratings) will get higher numbers than even the pres debates. I too would not be shocked if the first debate pulls at least half the audience the superbowl gets, and I find that encouraging. More shocking, I will go out on a limb and predict that the VP debate (which is normally a non-event for ratings) will get higher numbers than even the pres debates.

]]> By: RememberNovember http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154041 RememberNovember Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:22:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154041 It's a race between two unknown quantities, at the end of the day- throw in a wild card from the Great White North and a bunch of lobbyists and a heaping teaspoonful of racism/sexism and you have what amounts to a hopscotch race. It's not about who runs faster or farther but stumbles more.<br><br><br>I predict 40+million viewers Friday night. It's a race between two unknown quantities, at the end of the day- throw in a wild card from the Great White North and a bunch of lobbyists and a heaping teaspoonful of racism/sexism and you have what amounts to a hopscotch race. It's not about who runs faster or farther but stumbles more.

I predict 40+million viewers Friday night.

]]> By: 269: The Number of the (Political) Beast http://themoderatevoice.com/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-154057 269: The Number of the (Political) Beast Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:56:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22903/269-the-number-of-the-political-beast/#comment-154057 [...] post by WP-AutoBlog Import 154547 Add to del.icio.us  Digg This Subscribe to RSS feed Leave a [...] [...] post by WP-AutoBlog Import 154547 Add to del.icio.us  Digg This Subscribe to RSS feed Leave a [...]

]]>