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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22898/change-we-can-spare-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-154115</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS- while there&#039;s not that much there (smoke, not fire), Kurtz has more today about the appearance of cover up:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NGFkODJlMjhmYjkxMjg4Y2Q0NTVlYjAzMmY=&quot;&gt;http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NG...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS- while there&#39;s not that much there (smoke, not fire), Kurtz has more today about the appearance of cover up:<br /><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NGFkODJlMjhmYjkxMjg4Y2Q0NTVlYjAzMmY=">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NG&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22898/change-we-can-spare-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-154087</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thePajamaPundit: why should you (or more accurately, your children and grandchildren) pay for something that doesn&#039;t benefit your own community at all but *perhaps* has some value to someone in Iowa? If the voters in Iowa feel that the project is of local importance, they can pay for it themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as for debating the importance? Um, that&#039;s kind of the whole point here- earmarks are slipped in by sidestepping the debate process (because they&#039;d never be approved in most cases if they were actually put to a vote instead of being bundled with other bills and holding that legislation hostage unless the earmark is funded.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thePajamaPundit: why should you (or more accurately, your children and grandchildren) pay for something that doesn&#39;t benefit your own community at all but *perhaps* has some value to someone in Iowa? If the voters in Iowa feel that the project is of local importance, they can pay for it themselves.</p>
<p>And as for debating the importance? Um, that&#39;s kind of the whole point here- earmarks are slipped in by sidestepping the debate process (because they&#39;d never be approved in most cases if they were actually put to a vote instead of being bundled with other bills and holding that legislation hostage unless the earmark is funded.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22898/change-we-can-spare-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-154080</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, there&#039;s more to be concerned about Obama, stuff the media seems to Neglect [tm] -- or is that ignore in the hope of continued effective suppression?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama and Ayers -- this is serious taint.  (Naturally, ACORN enters the picture.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, there&#39;s more to be concerned about Obama, stuff the media seems to Neglect [tm] &#8212; or is that ignore in the hope of continued effective suppression?</p>
<p>Obama and Ayers &#8212; this is serious taint.  (Naturally, ACORN enters the picture.)</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: thePajamaPundit</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22898/change-we-can-spare-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-154035</link>
		<dc:creator>thePajamaPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remixer has a great point -- earmarks, &#039;pork&#039; as it were, is completely in the eye of the beholder.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s not so great for me (a voter in PA) might be just what a taxpayer in Iowa needs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, and I have to say -- was this article really meant to be humorous?  I&#039;m not critiquing the writing per se,I just didn&#039;t find it funny.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe it&#039;s some dry wit that I&#039;m not getting....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thepajamapundit.com/&quot;&gt;http://thepajamapundit.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remixer has a great point &#8212; earmarks, &#39;pork&#39; as it were, is completely in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>What&#39;s not so great for me (a voter in PA) might be just what a taxpayer in Iowa needs.</p>
<p>Oh, and I have to say &#8212; was this article really meant to be humorous?  I&#39;m not critiquing the writing per se,I just didn&#39;t find it funny.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#39;s some dry wit that I&#39;m not getting&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://thepajamapundit.com/">http://thepajamapundit.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise.  Obama still has to explain how he will pay for all his grandiose (and very expensive) promises.  &quot;Phase them in&quot; does not constitute such an explanation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still haven&#039;t seen the details about the existing taxes he will _increase_ or the new taxes he will impose to pay for all he has been promising.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I&#039;ve noted aloud before, one of the motives for this bailout of the financial industry, if you&#039;re cynical, is that it not only steals an election issue from Obama (so far, not the case), but takes money out of Obama&#039;s hands that he might [mis]spend on those campaign vote-buying promises.  There&#039;s only so much money we can spend and only so much debt we can assume; even Democrats will have to face this at some point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One reason to resist the rush to approve the current bailout plan is to scale it back and make money available for Obama to spend on some of his promises, if he is elected.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile, I try to be prepared for all contingencies...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.international-economy.com/TIE_W06_Posen.pdf&quot;&gt;http://www.international-economy.com/TIE_W06_Po...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise.  Obama still has to explain how he will pay for all his grandiose (and very expensive) promises.  &#8220;Phase them in&#8221; does not constitute such an explanation.</p>
<p>I still haven&#39;t seen the details about the existing taxes he will _increase_ or the new taxes he will impose to pay for all he has been promising.</p>
<p>As I&#39;ve noted aloud before, one of the motives for this bailout of the financial industry, if you&#39;re cynical, is that it not only steals an election issue from Obama (so far, not the case), but takes money out of Obama&#39;s hands that he might [mis]spend on those campaign vote-buying promises.  There&#39;s only so much money we can spend and only so much debt we can assume; even Democrats will have to face this at some point.</p>
<p>One reason to resist the rush to approve the current bailout plan is to scale it back and make money available for Obama to spend on some of his promises, if he is elected.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I try to be prepared for all contingencies&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.international-economy.com/TIE_W06_Posen.pdf">http://www.international-economy.com/TIE_W06_Po&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine, please allow me to save our loyal opposition friends from having to repeat their hidden earmark defense...........&quot;if Congress had to openly debate every earmark, they would never have the time to pass them all.&quot;........LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine, please allow me to save our loyal opposition friends from having to repeat their hidden earmark defense&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;if Congress had to openly debate every earmark, they would never have the time to pass them all.&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Remixer96</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remixer96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe facts are facts, and CAGW probbaly has a reasonable basis for many of their claims, but bad reasoning is something I can&#039;t let slip.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Never met an earmark they didn&#039;t like&quot; is not a statement proven by a handful of sillier earmarks. Presumably those all went back to their districts and benefited their constitutants... that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re in love with the concept of earmark spending.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, I was under the impression that the whole basis of Obama&#039;s plan was to take money out of the war he would end and put it in infrastructure investment at home. Who thinks Obama&#039;s running on a platform of cutting government programs again?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, &quot;wasteful&quot; is completely in the eye of the beholder. The classic double edge of pork is that when others get it it&#039;s pork, but when you get it it&#039;s bacon... and people like bacon. Is the Iraq War wasteful or necessary? Is the War on Drugs wasteful or necessary? Is a 700 billion bailout  for Wall St wasteful or necessary? Call me when you&#039;ve defined &quot;wasteful&quot; and we can talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe facts are facts, and CAGW probbaly has a reasonable basis for many of their claims, but bad reasoning is something I can&#39;t let slip.</p>
<p>&#8220;Never met an earmark they didn&#39;t like&#8221; is not a statement proven by a handful of sillier earmarks. Presumably those all went back to their districts and benefited their constitutants&#8230; that doesn&#39;t mean they&#39;re in love with the concept of earmark spending.</p>
<p>Second, I was under the impression that the whole basis of Obama&#39;s plan was to take money out of the war he would end and put it in infrastructure investment at home. Who thinks Obama&#39;s running on a platform of cutting government programs again?</p>
<p>Finally, &#8220;wasteful&#8221; is completely in the eye of the beholder. The classic double edge of pork is that when others get it it&#39;s pork, but when you get it it&#39;s bacon&#8230; and people like bacon. Is the Iraq War wasteful or necessary? Is the War on Drugs wasteful or necessary? Is a 700 billion bailout  for Wall St wasteful or necessary? Call me when you&#39;ve defined &#8220;wasteful&#8221; and we can talk.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, bill_k. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm&quot;&gt;Astroturfing is a pretty deceitful practice, right?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t doubt some of those criticisms of CAGW, but the fact remains that they shine the light of day on Congress&#039;s biggest porkers, providing a service for taxpayers. Now, apparently you believe that earmarks are the legitimate way for Congressional reps to provide for their constituents- but haven&#039;t you ever wondered why worthwhile projects shouldn&#039;t be openly debated in order for federal money to be appropriately allocated? Should we really be using borrowed federal dollars to fund local projects without even asking the sponsors to defend the reason for these expenditures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, bill_k. <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm">Astroturfing is a pretty deceitful practice, right?</a></p>
<p>I don&#39;t doubt some of those criticisms of CAGW, but the fact remains that they shine the light of day on Congress&#39;s biggest porkers, providing a service for taxpayers. Now, apparently you believe that earmarks are the legitimate way for Congressional reps to provide for their constituents- but haven&#39;t you ever wondered why worthwhile projects shouldn&#39;t be openly debated in order for federal money to be appropriately allocated? Should we really be using borrowed federal dollars to fund local projects without even asking the sponsors to defend the reason for these expenditures?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the wake of GWB the old refrain about liberals being the bigger spenders rings pretty hollow... especially after this administration inherited a surplus and is leaving a disaster. I think America may be reaching the point where it isn&#039;t swayed by wornout catchphrases... even if they are in a &quot;humor&quot; article. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the wake of GWB the old refrain about liberals being the bigger spenders rings pretty hollow&#8230; especially after this administration inherited a surplus and is leaving a disaster. I think America may be reaching the point where it isn&#39;t swayed by wornout catchphrases&#8230; even if they are in a &#8220;humor&#8221; article. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bill_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lame article.  The entire thing is based on info from CAGW.  Here&#039;s what Wikipedia says about them:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Throughout its history, CAGW has been accused of fronting lobbying efforts of corporations to give them the appearance of &quot;grassroots&quot; support&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And you claim McCain never got one earmark?  Hah!  He&#039;s not doing his job then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lame article.  The entire thing is based on info from CAGW.  Here&#39;s what Wikipedia says about them:</p>
<p>&#8220;Throughout its history, CAGW has been accused of fronting lobbying efforts of corporations to give them the appearance of &#8220;grassroots&#8221; support&#8221;</p>
<p>And you claim McCain never got one earmark?  Hah!  He&#39;s not doing his job then.</p>
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		<title>By: nepr</title>
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		<dc:creator>nepr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... This sounds like two Republicans helping each other keep their tongues to the hockey-rink ice, lest one, or both of them defect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; This sounds like two Republicans helping each other keep their tongues to the hockey-rink ice, lest one, or both of them defect.</p>
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