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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22891/absentee-leaders-obama-mccain-and-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-153966</link>
		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that they should vote. They&#039;re going to have to take high profile individual stands as Prez. Might as well practice now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that they should vote. They&#39;re going to have to take high profile individual stands as Prez. Might as well practice now.</p>
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		<title>By: nepr</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22891/absentee-leaders-obama-mccain-and-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-153956</link>
		<dc:creator>nepr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Shaw:  A couple of comments...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, I detect a certain contempt, on your part, for the activity of campaigning for President of the United States.  Does this mean that you equate it&#039;s being a slogging, mundane, and often absurd process with it&#039;s being somehow unimportant?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Next, of all the people who should keep their mouths shut about this, I would single out both McCain and Obama.  (I think you have a point about Biden, since I doubt anyone would listen to the guy.)  They are Senators (in name, at least, if not in actions), but one of them will, in fact, be the POTUS in a very short time.  If this situation shows us anything, it&#039;s the childlike ignorance of market traders, those to whom we have foolishly, and unavoidably, entrusted the duty of managing our money.  These folks regard panic as a useful and legitimate tool of high-finance.  We shouldn&#039;t confuse them, any more than they already are, about who they should be listening to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Shaw:  A couple of comments&#8230;</p>
<p>First, I detect a certain contempt, on your part, for the activity of campaigning for President of the United States.  Does this mean that you equate it&#39;s being a slogging, mundane, and often absurd process with it&#39;s being somehow unimportant?</p>
<p>Next, of all the people who should keep their mouths shut about this, I would single out both McCain and Obama.  (I think you have a point about Biden, since I doubt anyone would listen to the guy.)  They are Senators (in name, at least, if not in actions), but one of them will, in fact, be the POTUS in a very short time.  If this situation shows us anything, it&#39;s the childlike ignorance of market traders, those to whom we have foolishly, and unavoidably, entrusted the duty of managing our money.  These folks regard panic as a useful and legitimate tool of high-finance.  We shouldn&#39;t confuse them, any more than they already are, about who they should be listening to.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far of fallout extends to the presidential contest as well.  Anyone showing initiative and being the first to express a position on some issue, any issue, does so with the likehood it will be attacked by the other side.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, George, it&#039;s different than what you and Josh Marshall think about the current GOP behavior.  They&#039;re rushing to bail out the financial institutions not only to help their friends, but to try to put out this economy-related &quot;fire&quot; so as to steal it effectively from Obama before it can harm McCain and the GOP more than it has already.  That&#039;s a good deal of why there&#039;s such antagonism behind the global-warming-at-its-looniest insistence on rushing to act without any thinking or questioning what &quot;must&quot; be done immediately.  (The rest of it comes from the farther left, that this is Bush-style driving similar to the buildup to war in Iraq, with which I disagree -- Iraq was slower and less agitated.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish they would just step back and let these institutions fail, as they should, reform themselves (i.e., the federal government) first, then approach the aftermath of the failures with a more learned and mature nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far of fallout extends to the presidential contest as well.  Anyone showing initiative and being the first to express a position on some issue, any issue, does so with the likehood it will be attacked by the other side.</p>
<p>Actually, George, it&#39;s different than what you and Josh Marshall think about the current GOP behavior.  They&#39;re rushing to bail out the financial institutions not only to help their friends, but to try to put out this economy-related &#8220;fire&#8221; so as to steal it effectively from Obama before it can harm McCain and the GOP more than it has already.  That&#39;s a good deal of why there&#39;s such antagonism behind the global-warming-at-its-looniest insistence on rushing to act without any thinking or questioning what &#8220;must&#8221; be done immediately.  (The rest of it comes from the farther left, that this is Bush-style driving similar to the buildup to war in Iraq, with which I disagree &#8212; Iraq was slower and less agitated.)</p>
<p>I wish they would just step back and let these institutions fail, as they should, reform themselves (i.e., the federal government) first, then approach the aftermath of the failures with a more learned and mature nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best thing they both could do is stay out of the way.  At this time neither one of them can do anything about it.  Neither one has anything to contribute.  And anything they say at this point will be entirely political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best thing they both could do is stay out of the way.  At this time neither one of them can do anything about it.  Neither one has anything to contribute.  And anything they say at this point will be entirely political.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jchem about their fear of fallout. Now, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good thing, but there it is, especially considering &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/218880.php&quot;&gt;Josh Marshall&#039;s summary &lt;/a&gt;of what seems to be the McCain plan: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Republican/McCain plan is to get the Democrats to bail out the GOP&#039;s Wall Street friends and then run against them for doing it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think summary is accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jchem about their fear of fallout. Now, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s a good thing, but there it is, especially considering <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/218880.php">Josh Marshall&#39;s summary </a>of what seems to be the McCain plan: </p>
<blockquote><p>The Republican/McCain plan is to get the Democrats to bail out the GOP&#39;s Wall Street friends and then run against them for doing it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think summary is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Harry Reid said it best when he looked straight into the camera and said flatly &quot;we don&#039;t know what to do&quot;.  None of them do.  They are simply too afraid of the fallout, whatever it may be.  If you vote for it, the other side will label you as raising taxes.  If you vote against it, the other side will say you didn&#039;t do enough to fix the situation.  This is the current political situation.  I&#039;ve said on a previous thread that if you really want to load up the comment box here, then you might as well tag your post with Palin&#039;s name, or better yet, put her name in the title.   A brief view of Memeorandum shows what a lot of people are really concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Harry Reid said it best when he looked straight into the camera and said flatly &#8220;we don&#39;t know what to do&#8221;.  None of them do.  They are simply too afraid of the fallout, whatever it may be.  If you vote for it, the other side will label you as raising taxes.  If you vote against it, the other side will say you didn&#39;t do enough to fix the situation.  This is the current political situation.  I&#39;ve said on a previous thread that if you really want to load up the comment box here, then you might as well tag your post with Palin&#39;s name, or better yet, put her name in the title.   A brief view of Memeorandum shows what a lot of people are really concerned about.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s getting near the peak of the campaign and those other three have tasks on the road to do as well as back in Washington.  Also, don&#039;t confuse lack of exposure to doing or saying little -- Obama and McCain, and Biden, have had things to say about the current financial issues before us, but the media remain largely obscessed with Palin.  (They have particularly neglected Biden ever since McCain chose Palin.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s getting near the peak of the campaign and those other three have tasks on the road to do as well as back in Washington.  Also, don&#39;t confuse lack of exposure to doing or saying little &#8212; Obama and McCain, and Biden, have had things to say about the current financial issues before us, but the media remain largely obscessed with Palin.  (They have particularly neglected Biden ever since McCain chose Palin.)</p>
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