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		<title>By: Gichin13</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22852/around-the-campaign-2008-sphere-11/comment-page-1/#comment-153604</link>
		<dc:creator>Gichin13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Fairfax.  There is no fire marshall quoted on record backing up the 23k estimate in Fairfax.  McCain&#039;s campaign claimed they had gotten the number from the fire marshall&#039;s office.  The fire marshall&#039;s office indicated that not only had they not provided a crowd estimate, but that they do not do such crowd estimates:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&amp;refer=politics&amp;sid=a1J0tfV3XJYs&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What your post should say is that Tucker Bounds says a Fire Marshall said 23k, but the Fire Marshall&#039;s office actually denies every saying such a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Fairfax.  There is no fire marshall quoted on record backing up the 23k estimate in Fairfax.  McCain&#39;s campaign claimed they had gotten the number from the fire marshall&#39;s office.  The fire marshall&#39;s office indicated that not only had they not provided a crowd estimate, but that they do not do such crowd estimates:<br /><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&#038;refer=politics&#038;sid=a1J0tfV3XJYs"></a><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070.." rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070..</a>.</p>
<p>What your post should say is that Tucker Bounds says a Fire Marshall said 23k, but the Fire Marshall&#39;s office actually denies every saying such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Gichin, someone did &quot;due diligence&quot; on this Fairfax Cty crowd afterwards and came up with &quot;at least 15,000&quot; in Fairfax.    A &quot;fire marshal&quot; was quoted at 8K for Fairfax &amp; a &quot;fire marshal&quot; was quoted at 60K at The Villages.   So you choose your &quot;fire marshal&quot; and I&#039;ll choose mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Gichin, someone did &#8220;due diligence&#8221; on this Fairfax Cty crowd afterwards and came up with &#8220;at least 15,000&#8243; in Fairfax.    A &#8220;fire marshal&#8221; was quoted at 8K for Fairfax &#038; a &#8220;fire marshal&#8221; was quoted at 60K at The Villages.   So you choose your &#8220;fire marshal&#8221; and I&#39;ll choose mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22852/around-the-campaign-2008-sphere-11/comment-page-1/#comment-153600</link>
		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress instead of adjourning this week to campaign, should campaign in the most effective way possible right from Capitol Hill. If they pass a &quot;Trickle-Up&quot; economic plan..filibustering until the GOP submits if necessary...they could not only accomplish more than they ever could on the campaign trail, they would force the GOP into an untenable position, since the GOP stands to gain the most by going out and lying more to the American public about how great their tycoon-bailout plan is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They could answer the GOP&#039;s predictable cries of &quot;hurry, America is in trouble!!&quot; to &quot;Why do you want to rush and make a mistake? Do you want to hurt american working poor?&quot; The GOP has its work cut out for it trying to sell the &quot;rush&quot; mentality to a voting public that is sick of having duct tape put on their needs and longterm wellbeing..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the democrats succeed in keeping the GOP in this headlock until they allow a rescue of the worker, instead of Wallstreet screwups, the paydirt will be massive votes this Fall for themselves as incumbants, newly aspiring democratic candidates and the presidental nominee as well. They could literally kill like 20 birds with one stone by staying in session about this budget thing to be settled sanely. And who would benefit? Everyone but the GOP. Too bad.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The GOP wants the rush, the panic because they know what they&#039;re asking for is horse-apples. They know if the people have long enough to think about the ramifications of bailing out Wallstreet at the expense of Mainstreet (oh, and how) they will balk and they won&#039;t get to recover their precious assets they lost when their gambles failed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The democratic party is in a unique position right now where they have the GOP by the shorthairs. If the GOP insists on sticking it to the common man, they&#039;ll lose the election. Basically, if the dems play their cards right, they can get so much relief for their constituents that campaigning will be a joke...they won&#039;t even need to.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stay....stay in session...linger...hang out...discuss...strategize...trickle up...paydirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress instead of adjourning this week to campaign, should campaign in the most effective way possible right from Capitol Hill. If they pass a &#8220;Trickle-Up&#8221; economic plan..filibustering until the GOP submits if necessary&#8230;they could not only accomplish more than they ever could on the campaign trail, they would force the GOP into an untenable position, since the GOP stands to gain the most by going out and lying more to the American public about how great their tycoon-bailout plan is.</p>
<p>They could answer the GOP&#39;s predictable cries of &#8220;hurry, America is in trouble!!&#8221; to &#8220;Why do you want to rush and make a mistake? Do you want to hurt american working poor?&#8221; The GOP has its work cut out for it trying to sell the &#8220;rush&#8221; mentality to a voting public that is sick of having duct tape put on their needs and longterm wellbeing..</p>
<p>If the democrats succeed in keeping the GOP in this headlock until they allow a rescue of the worker, instead of Wallstreet screwups, the paydirt will be massive votes this Fall for themselves as incumbants, newly aspiring democratic candidates and the presidental nominee as well. They could literally kill like 20 birds with one stone by staying in session about this budget thing to be settled sanely. And who would benefit? Everyone but the GOP. Too bad.</p>
<p>The GOP wants the rush, the panic because they know what they&#39;re asking for is horse-apples. They know if the people have long enough to think about the ramifications of bailing out Wallstreet at the expense of Mainstreet (oh, and how) they will balk and they won&#39;t get to recover their precious assets they lost when their gambles failed.</p>
<p>The democratic party is in a unique position right now where they have the GOP by the shorthairs. If the GOP insists on sticking it to the common man, they&#39;ll lose the election. Basically, if the dems play their cards right, they can get so much relief for their constituents that campaigning will be a joke&#8230;they won&#39;t even need to.</p>
<p>Stay&#8230;.stay in session&#8230;linger&#8230;hang out&#8230;discuss&#8230;strategize&#8230;trickle up&#8230;paydirt.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elrod,   you say &quot;everybody else.&quot;  Please elaborate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can recall recently when the WaPo said a &quot;fire marshal&quot;  said the crowd was smaller than advertised in Fairfax, VA when Palin spoke.   You are as wrong about this as you are about Republican Jews in Palm Beach County!   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;She&#039;s getting bigger crowds than Biden by a factor of three or four, and that&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elrod,   you say &#8220;everybody else.&#8221;  Please elaborate.</p>
<p>I can recall recently when the WaPo said a &#8220;fire marshal&#8221;  said the crowd was smaller than advertised in Fairfax, VA when Palin spoke.   You are as wrong about this as you are about Republican Jews in Palm Beach County!   </p>
<p>She&#39;s getting bigger crowds than Biden by a factor of three or four, and that&#39;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: jwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bacalove,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read………Learn……..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarch...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bacalove,</p>
<p>Read………Learn……..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0"></a><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarch.." rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarch..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Video: Joe Biden Speaks To Campaign Staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Video: Joe Biden Speaks To Campaign Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anti Palin Smear Campaign Exposed! Possible Obama- Biden Involvement</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22852/around-the-campaign-2008-sphere-11/comment-page-1/#comment-153584</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti Palin Smear Campaign Exposed! Possible Obama- Biden Involvement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gichin13</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22852/around-the-campaign-2008-sphere-11/comment-page-1/#comment-153572</link>
		<dc:creator>Gichin13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was assuming the Palin rally was wildly inflated ... anyone have links on those numbers?  That would be par for the course, here in Northern Virginia they claimed like 25k at a rally that was apparently around 8k ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was assuming the Palin rally was wildly inflated &#8230; anyone have links on those numbers?  That would be par for the course, here in Northern Virginia they claimed like 25k at a rally that was apparently around 8k &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that &quot;60,000 in The Villages&quot; thing has been debunked. One fire marshal estimated 60,000 but everybody else around said it was more like 20,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that &#8220;60,000 in The Villages&#8221; thing has been debunked. One fire marshal estimated 60,000 but everybody else around said it was more like 20,000.</p>
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		<title>By: bacalove</title>
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		<dc:creator>bacalove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In 2007, Wall Street&#039;s five biggest firms-- Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley -   paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves.&quot;  ABC&#039;s Political Punch --  I say no Bail Out!&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;AND&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?ref=politics&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/2...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More McCain Hypocrisy!  I now understand why  McCain who has been Chairman of the Commerce Committee for years says he knows very little about the economy, the one truth he has been honest about, because it has always been about Corp. first, only and last!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In 2007, Wall Street&#39;s five biggest firms&#8211; Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley &#8211;   paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves.&#8221;  ABC&#39;s Political Punch &#8212;  I say no Bail Out!</p>
<p>AND</p>
<p>Senator John McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?ref=politics"></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/2.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/2..</a>.</p>
<p>More McCain Hypocrisy!  I now understand why  McCain who has been Chairman of the Commerce Committee for years says he knows very little about the economy, the one truth he has been honest about, because it has always been about Corp. first, only and last!</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conventional wisdom is that the candidate who is more likable or more comfortable acting around ordinary people will win the election for president.  Reagan and Clinton being the two best examples.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think both parties have screwed up by nominating candidate that people would not want to have a drink with, who would look awkward at a high school football game, and who most people would not want to be around.   Now the problem is that people have to choose one of the two.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Democrats should be winning easily except that Senator Obama does not seem suited for one-on-one exchanges with middle class Americans and that the Democratic party, believing it should be winning in a cake walk, wants to hold onto its core groups instead of actually being for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conventional wisdom is that the candidate who is more likable or more comfortable acting around ordinary people will win the election for president.  Reagan and Clinton being the two best examples.  </p>
<p>I think both parties have screwed up by nominating candidate that people would not want to have a drink with, who would look awkward at a high school football game, and who most people would not want to be around.   Now the problem is that people have to choose one of the two.  </p>
<p>The Democrats should be winning easily except that Senator Obama does not seem suited for one-on-one exchanges with middle class Americans and that the Democratic party, believing it should be winning in a cake walk, wants to hold onto its core groups instead of actually being for change.</p>
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