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Thoughts on Wall Street

Crossposted at the Square Deal:

I’m not very good when it comes to things like money, my partner (who is the Democrat in the family) is better at those things than I am. So I will venture into this whole talk about what is going on with Wall Street with some fear and trepidation.

As we stumble through this crisis, I have seen much ink spilled not as much on how to correct this, but on who is to blame. For liberals, this is a wonderful time, a time of vindication. In their eyes, 30 years of free market ideology now stands in ruins. We drifted away from Roosevelt-style regulation and look at what happens: we are teetering on the Great Depression, Part Two. Here is Robert Kuttner’s take:

Government, under Franklin Roosevelt, got serious about regulating financial markets after the first cycle of financial bubble and economic ruin in the 1920s. Then, as now, the abuses were complex in their detail but very simple in their essence. They included the sale of complex securities packaged in deceptive and misleading ways; far too much borrowing to finance speculative investments; and gross conflicts of interest on the part of insiders who stood to profit from flim-flams. When the speculative bubble burst in 1929, sellers overwhelmed buyers, many investors were wiped out, and the system of credit contracted, choking the rest of the economy.

In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration acted to prevent a repetition of the ruinous 1920s. Commercial banks were separated from investment banks, so that bankers could not prosper by underwriting bogus securities and foisting them on retail customers. Leverage was limited in order to rein in speculation with borrowed money. Investment banks, stock exchanges, and companies that publicly traded stocks were required to disclose more information to investors. Pyramid schemes and conflicts of interest were limited. The system worked very nicely until the 1970s — when financial innovators devised end-runs around the regulated system, and regulators stopped keeping up with them.

Libertarian(?) Megan McArdle thinks that while there is some need for regulation it will not necessarily create the halcyon days Kuttner longs for. She thinks the regulatory regime is a relic of the New Deal days and needs an overhaul:

America’s financial regulatory structure is badly outdated, and in need of a massive overhaul. Its overlapping agencies seem to work at cross-purposes as often as they cooperate, and the fuzzy lines of authority can exacerbate panic because of a lack of any clear procedure for wrapping up big insolvencies. And its inertia in the face of changing markets has left it ill-prepared to deal with the current crisis. The SEC, for example, continued the process of forcing securities issuers to use a few government-sanctioned ratings agencies to certify their securities, despite mounting evidence that this cozy oligopoly was falling down on the job. As with most regulations, the quality floor quickly became a ceiling, as issuers did just enough to get approval.

More broadly, all of the regulatory bodies failed to realize, or react to, the fact that an increasingly complex array of financial instruments had introduced new risks into the financial system. It is far from clear that these risks should have been avoided by banning the more exotic derivative structures, as some commentators have urged. But the risks should have been known.

America’s entire approach to regulation is a relic of the New Deal, when optimistic Keynesians still believed that they might tame the economy by getting bright technocrats to run it. Seventy-five years later, we know that an economy of 300 million people is too complex to be controlled by any institutions, no matter how well-intentioned or well-managed. But our regulatory bodies still function on the dream that we can find bright public servants to wring all of the risk out of the system by carefully inspecting each product and certifying its quality.

For McArdle, regulation is not about trying to get rid of risk, but managing the risk:

A better approach would be to focus less on eliminating risk, and more on managing it. This means not only greater transparency, but encouraging alternate ratings systems to help make investors aware of risk. It also means developing procedures to cope with the inevitable failures, rather than scrambling to put together ad-hoc solutions when the market, shockingly, once again fails to behave.

I’m not going to pretend that I don’t have a dog in this. I do tend to lean towards McArdle’s viewpoint than Kuttner’s. But I don’t know if going back to the Roosevelt era is the answer to the current mess. I do think we need reform; too much of what has gone on has been shrouded in secrecy and needs to be brought out into the open. But I don’t know if the solution is to go back to what he had 70 years ago. For one, do we know if what worked then would work now?

I’m not advocating for no change or for no regulation. Clearly there needs to be some. What I am concerned about is that we have a solution that fits the times, not just something that is dusted off because it worked so well circa 1945.

It would be nice for partisans to be willing to look at what works now, and not think that some solution offered decades past will solve something today.

  • FrequentPoster
    Megan McArdle is an economic illiterate, as is anyone who takes her seriously enough to even think of aligning with anything she says.
  • DLS
    McArdle is partially correct, but misses the key element. The idea is that the mandarins can manage (and at times "fine-tune"), not "tame," the economy. At the time of note, the terms "revive" or "jump-start" would be better. And of course, during the 1930s, nothing FDR did ended the Depression. We later went to war (when the Depression truly began to cease, not before), many young people were sent overseas under conditions of privation and deprivation in addition to danger, and when they returned, they had a different view psychologically as to their intentions for their lives and for economically relevant acts. That, more than the forced production and activity of the war itself, was when the Great Depression truly ended.

    You can look at the Japanese deflation experience after 1990 as well. People simply wanted to reduce their expenses and save more. (That is particularly relevent for Americans to consider at this time.) All the government spending and make-work projects it engaged in changed nothing. It took a change of attitude in Japan (which is even today not starkly but subtly different than up to 1990) to change the economy.

    Food for thought (for those who choose to partake)
  • DLS
    Reintroducing Glass-Stegall before the big banks merge completely with investment banks *** and investment and financial service firms *** as well as with insurance companies (and as I've speculated openly, even Health Maintenance Organizations) woudl be okay. But this is in large part a phenomenon of "easy money" attitude similar to ballooning credit and monetary supply ("cheap money") that liberals have long sought. (the real opiate of the ignorant masses, and buying their votes, too)

    What's interesting right now is that we have a Communist-style takeover of AIG by the federal government (80 per cent ownership) and if the shares in AIG go down, the shareholders (not limited to Greenberg, a victim of scumbag Spitzer) have the complete right to compensation and restitution payments from Washington, and if Washington refuses (deliberately violating the Constitution as well as deliberately choosing to harm the shareholders by such refusal), multiple billions in punitive damages (a rare thing, a lawsuit _with_ complete merit).
  • mikkel
    I tend to be an optimist, but I don't think there is anything we can do now that will work and any attempt will just lead to monetary collapse. I can write a ton about why but don't want to junk up the thread as there are tons of explanations all over the web.

    To summarize though it all comes down to the amount of debt in the world. There is now about 50% more debt relative to GDP than there was before the Great Depression and the problem is that no matter how much liquidity the central banks add it's impossible to service that debt. Ultimately I think the root cause of the problem is identified by the Austrian branch of economics, which believes that much of economic expansion was not supported by productivity gains, but increased debt load. This has been going on since the 70s but exploded in the 80s-today.

    The problem was exacerbated by a lack of regulations. The two schools of thought are that massive liquidity is OK if there are tough regulations and that regulations are worthless because they will always be wrong or have loopholes, so focus on having limited liquidity instead. We've been seeing the worst case which is massive liquidity and no regulations...

    The best analogy I've heard is that liquidity is a river and regulations are levees. The more liquidity there is the faster the river and the better the regulations have to be to stop it from overflowing. I think a pragmatic answer is that we can have moderate injected liquidity and moderate regulations and be OK -- but the problem of course is that political concerns makes it so we've short circuited recessions by adding more and more liquidity. The last 10 years has been a raging torrent of liquidity and all the levees were destroyed..
  • elrod
    I don't think anybody - including Kuttner - is arguing that we revive the EXACT laws of the Roosevelt era to manage Wall Street today. The market is vastly different now than back in the 1930s. The issue boils down to priority: should the government work assiduously to develop a new regulatory framework that handles modern financial transactions? Or should Washington politicians lay off Wall Street and let investors handle their money without regulatory meddling?
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