Comments on: Zogby Gallup Polls: Obama Regains Lead As Voters View McCain As More Negative

By: ObamaBidenNOW

ObamaBidenNOW — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:05:41 +0000

In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future. I follow an economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly. He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown, and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years is terrifying. He thinks it could get worse then the great depression. Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest mortgage bank in the world Bear Stearns, Lehman brothers, and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 Wall Street firms, and now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States. The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt. If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president. Lehman, Merrill Lynch, and Bear Sterns have survived for over 150 years and survived even the great depression they are important because they are the biggest engines of growth in America and they are connected to almost everything. The last time the real estate market numbers looked this badly was during the great depression and real estate often leads the way into major economic recessions. Bush just like McCain doesn't understand the economy, that not just my opinion it’s his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it, he does not understand exactly what is broken. It’s no surprise that he doesn’t. The people that make up these securities use complex math models very few people understand. They are basically bundles of thousand of loans some good and some bad that are then given rules based on complex math. It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this, and the things Bush and McCain have done for the last 8 years have not worked so far and won’t work in the future. If you do what you have always done then you will do get the same result, 90 percent of the time they have voted the same. Please don't just take my word for it Start to read up on some of this your self. MSN money, Elliot wave and, Bloomberg have many articles that prove we are heading into one of the worst economies any one has ever seen. So why are the poll’s even close? The chairman of McCain’s campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite which means he is trying to sell personality instead of results. He believes people will vote against there own self interests. Lets teach him we are smarter then that and elect the ticket that can bring us back from the brink of a economic abyss. McCain admits in the year 2008 he cannot use a computer even to send email. It’s impossible that he understands how to help us, its time to wake up now while it will still help. obama08

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:56:03 +0000

“DLS,
And yet it was the Republicans that nationalized AIG.”

Elrod maybe Bush isn't a compassionate conservative after all– he's a closet socialist.

By: jchem

jchem — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:15:42 +0000

“The whole thing started, oh BigOil worshippers, with BigOil suppressing our ability 30 years ago to present to be energy independant from the Middle East.”

and then,

“Yeah, the democrats… The last democratic administration brought us to a SURPLUS. Terrible terrible democrats…”

Sil, the Repubs haven't been in power all by themselves for 30 years. In that time span we had Carter and Clinton for pres, as well as times when the Dems were in power in the congress. Why can't we just be honest and say they've both had a hand in it. See, that wasn't hard was it?

As to the original post, I remember last week when someone put up a post about what the public believed about the candidates' tax policies vs what they would actually do. Let's do that same analysis here in terms of negativity:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/20...

If I can borrow your phrase Sil, it seems that both parties and their partisans would like to live in their own “alternate reality”.

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:58:02 +0000

The most clear example of double-speak is when GOP posters come out and blame the democrats for the financial mess we're in. The whole thing started, oh BigOil worshippers, with BigOil suppressing our ability 30 years ago to present to be energy independant from the Middle East….where zillions of dollars have gone since then to make zillionaires out of erstwhile goatherders in the deserts abroad.

Then of course as supplies predictably started to run low, with world populations rising, BigOil still stonewalled (lobbied) to keep alternatives way way way back on the backburner…even knowing the disaster we face today was ever-pending and looming over us. So their solution? Lie to Congress to get cheap mercinaries (our sons and daughters in the military) to keep a hold on their slipping monopoly. We pay the taxes to fund the military, our kids spill their blood on the oilfields, and then we pay again at the pumps as they price-gouge in spite of the barrel cost of crude…

They are traitors and they literally have sold this country…worse…they have sabotaged this country's ability to sustain itself as a world presence. Now we are reduced to beggars on the world market and our former glory is gone…belching away from some exhaust on a yacht somewhere in Italy…bankrolled by a Swiss bank account at interest you and I will never see again in our lifetimes..

I think I am quite sick of GOP talking heads telling me about their alternate reality when we all know damn well how we got to where we are and who is responsible.

Yeah, the democrats… The last democratic administration brought us to a SURPLUS. Terrible terrible democrats…

By: RememberNovember

RememberNovember — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:20 +0000

So much for this campaign not being about “Issues”. Oh and I wonder what shade of gold parachute GHW Bush IV has jumping from the Lehman penthouse in Times Square. My friend used to work for LB and is very glad she got out.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:09:16 +0000

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

I wouldn't be worried if I were Obama -- just learn how to appeal to people about the economy rather than engage in babble-and-fluff advertisements.

By: jchem

jchem — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:02:40 +0000

Sil, you make an excellent comparison to the races at the track. Just wait, if Obama gets too far ahead you'll probably see more negative media attention about him to bring him down a bit. Sadly, sometimes I wonder if I'm just watching a sleazy reality show every day, complete with “hard hitting” interviews and “raw emotion”.

jwest, if you're out there, when McCain was up you were making comparisons between Obama and Dukakis. Are you still holding on to that?

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:02:07 +0000

If they've earned it, Steve K., they can hear (read) it. It's much different than the bogus and hateful bile coming from members of the staff here on this site (where we see true laissez-faire in practice insofar as quality control is concerned, particularly among those people — such as Stickings's insane and often hateful rantings — fortunately for him and for your emotions, I often just go easy on him and others like him).

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:57:38 +0000

Steve K., learn to think someday. One thing at a time before progressing to maturity.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:56:51 +0000

Yep — the GOP-run administration is doing what you have already seen happen before, Elrod. They're stealing pages out of the Dem playbook to steal issues from Obama and avoid losing swing voters who don't object to much. Call it cynical compassionate “conservatism” [sic].

By: SteveK

SteveK — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:34:05 +0000

DLS said: "The thing to do is to grow up, learn to be patient, and just see how things go..."

You are absolutely right DLS.

There's no reason whatsoever to belittle or deride those you don't agree with. Calling them "children", "idiots", "play-pen bloggers", "non-thinkers", "stupid" and, "scummy" is so yesterday...

[sigh]

By: elrod

elrod — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:15:56 +0000

DLS,
And yet it was the Republicans that nationalized AIG.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:10:57 +0000

More intelligent and better-raised people don't appreciate the media “chatter” (so often crappy propaganda).

The thing to do is to grow up, learn to be patient, and just see how things go. Oh, and realize that people are concerned about the economy and that desperate people will tolerate anything and everything by the federal government, no matter how wrong, if amelioration of their concerns seems possible, or better, likely. That's Democratic Party territory.

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:48:34 +0000

Yippee! This is more fun than the Kentucky Derby...

"Ladies and gentlemen, they're neck and neck rounding the last furlong...it's Obama by a nose..oh!, he stumbled, McCain takes a narrow lead!.now it's Obama recovering for quick sprint to the head of the pack... Palin just tripped over a scandal but pulls ahead with the shake of her mane! Biden's pulling up the rear but gaining a little..."

Only there's a little more at stake than five bucks.

I myself like to put my money on a sure win. Can anyone guess what the name of that horse is? It may not be kosher putting a fresh and veteran horse in at the last furlong, but is it impossible?