Gallup And Rasmussen Tracking Polls: Obama McCain Race A Tie


Sep 16, 2008 by

Two key polls find the race between Republican Sen. John McCain and Democratic Senator Barack Obama for the White House is now effectively a dead heat — placing American once again smack-dab in the middle of an election season with an almost evenly divided electorate.

And a slew of other polls from several important states continue to show McCain on the upswing — and Obama on the downswing in terms of where he was weeks ago.

But now there is a big, fat wild-card now thrown into the deck: the impact of recent news about the meltdown on Wall Street — news that will permeate the economy and touch voters via ripples in terms of job loss, pensions losing value and possibly a big bank closing or being taken over by a bigger bank.

Gallup reports:

The Sept. 13-15 Gallup Poll Daily tracking update shows John McCain (47%) and Barack Obama (46%) locked in a close contest when registered voters are asked for whom they would vote if the election were held today.

The race has been in a statistical dead heat for the last five days, after McCain’s lead grew to as large as five percentage points following the Republican National Convention. In essence, the race is back where it was before the flurry of political activity that began Aug. 25 with the Democratic National Convention and continued through the Republican convention, which concluded on Sept. 4. The candidates were dead even at 45% in Aug. 22-24 tracking, the last report of interviews conducted entirely before the beginning of the Democratic convention.

And the wild-card:

It is unclear to what extent this week’s headline news about the collapse of Wall Street financial institutions and changes in the stock market will affect the race. Obama has generally held the advantage when Americans are asked which candidate would better deal with the economy, though McCain was able to close the gap after the Republican convention. Monday night’s interviewing did show Obama doing better than he has been in recent updates, but it will take several days to see if he can sustain an improved position.

Rasmussen reports McCain still ahead — but barely. He is slowly heading southwards in the polls. Could this be (1) the novelty of his Vice Presidential pick Gov. Sarah Palin wearing off and/or (2) the emergence, even before Black Sunday on Wall Street, of increasingly troubling financial news? Rasmussen:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows John McCain attracting 48% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 47%. This is the third straight day Obama has been at 47% while McCain has dropped a point on each of the past two days. One week ago, the candidates were tied at 48% …

Investor confidence fell sharply overnight, but the instant reaction on Main Street has so far been more muted. Rasmussen Reports daily tracking of economic confidence shows that 65% of American consumers say the economy is getting worse. That’s down from 77% a few months ago, but up from 60% a week ago. Forty-three percent (43%) of voters say the economy is the top voting issue for Election 2008 while 23% name national security issues as the highest priority.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters say they trust McCain more than Obama on the economy while 45% trust Obama. These figures are updated weekly and have generally found voters evenly divided.

While the economy and many other underlying factors in Election 2008 are favorable to the Democrats, one often overlooked fundamental may be helping John McCain stay competitive–the Democrats’ historic difficulty in winning a majority of the popular vote.

But GOPers shouldn’t panic and Democrats shouldn’t start smiling yet.

Some other polls:

–McCain now gained in New Jersey and the two candidates are almost even.

–McCain and Obama are now even in Minnesota.

–A poll finds Obama slipping in New York.

–McCain is now up in Florida.

–McCain has pulled ahead in Ohio.

Some points about these polls:

1. McCain is clearly focusing on winning some key states and not worrying about every state in the country. And the trending towards him is favorable — unless the news from Wall Street will under cut it.

2. Obama’s supporters and campaign sources in reports talk about his great ground game with self-assurances. But he who lives, bets money, or measures White House drapes on assurances may not be as wise as Confucius…

3. The media turning on McCain and McCain now snapping at members of the media won’t help him in the long run. The race will be decided by undecided voters and how many voters both of these candidates can attract that are outside of their party’s bases. A media writing stories that contribute to a narrative about a credibility gap or candidate testiness won’t help McCain.

UPDATE: More interesting poll results HERE.

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  1. Silhouette

    It was good to see Obama at a convention of intellectuals confronting McCain's being out of touch with the true gravity of the situation on the economy.

    And now McCain is on the run defending his comments that the economy's core is still solid. The speck of blood has appeared. Keep pecking at this “out of touch” spot on the issues of BigOil monopoly, health care specifics and the suppression of alternative energy by McCain's funders: BigOil for decades.

    You really need to paint out how our being behind the times in energy production is the cause of our economic woes. It is the GOP achilles heel. It is a direct reflection of McCain's being behind the times by the company he keeps (BigOil lobbiests) that has suppressed technology for decades (you need to emphasize that) that could've kept our economy sound and independant. Follow that thread through to pumping US dollars overseas to continue the oil monopoly, the subsequent illegal war (de facto corporate hostile takeover) and then to it's natural bastard child: the ruined economy…and you should have this one in the bag.

    Anyone who supports our occupation of Iraq has not had the above facts dispensed to them in a meaningful manner to make the connection. Once the connection is made, plan on millions of previously “convinced” voters to switch their affections for the war into angry contempt for the lying GOP. Even the slow to start can be shown the writing on the wall if delivered in a easy-to-digest package with expert testimony.

    Hold McCain to the intellectual fire and flatly refuse to address any tabloid issues whatsoever. The more the press focuses on tabloid issues, the angrier the voting public becomes. We aren't stupid and we know what is being done. We've seen GOP smokescreens before. Catering to our wishes to have these dire issues dissected and specific remedies given will win the race for whoever is bold enough to take on the task.

    McCain is going to sound more and more like the empty suit since his party is largely to blame for the woes. Point out over and over that democratic Congresspeople were coerced by false information and “Bushwhacking” for want of a better term, to go along with fatally-flawed policies. McLame's being a “reformist” in his party can be exposed as false by simply naming over and over who his lobbiest buddies are..

    Good work Obama. Keep it up and you will succeed.

  2. elrod

    A combination of factors is at work. Gallup says that last night's reading was particularly strong for Obama; we'll see if tonight's and tomorrow night's shows the same.

    If so, the economy is the big issue. Whatever the specifics of the candidates' plans for Wall Street, the voters usually blame the incumbent party for financial woes. McCain trying to pass himself off as a regulating populist doesn't pass the laugh test when Phil Gramm is in his corner.

  3. jwest

    As with all things, you need to read the small print. This is from Rasmussen, but rest assured Gallup is similar.

    Polls are weighted using party self identification. In ’04, there was only a 1 point advantage for democrats on party. In the current polling, they are using 5.7 points. This difference was arrived at before the game changing pick of Sarah Palin.

    Within the next few weeks, the new self identification numbers will come in with a large swing up for republicans due to the renewed enthusiasm brought on by Palin and the encouraging polls. When this happens, Rasmussen will average it in, making the true numbers less distorted but distorted nonetheless.

    From Rasmussen:

    During August, the number of Americans who consider themselves to be Republicans increased two percentage points to 33.2% while the number of Democrats was little changed at 38.9%.

    That gives the Democrats a net advantage of 5.7 percentage points, down two points from a month ago and down significantly from the double digit advantage they enjoyed in April and May.

    However, the Democrats still enjoy a much bigger advantage today than they did when votes were cast in Election 2004 and an advantage almost identical to their edge in January. In fact, other than the past six months, the current 5.7 percentage point advantage is one of the biggest on record (see history from January 2004 to present).

    These new results have very little to do with recent news events such as the Democratic National Convention or selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be John McCain’s running mate. Interviews are conducted throughout the month and the vast majority were completed before these events dominated the news cycle.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/

  4. superdestroyer

    The financial situation can be a problem for Senator Obama. Senator Obama has campaigned to the idea that he was wise enough to see the problems in Iraq and was against the war from the beginning but that he was also wise enough to see that the war in Afghanitan was worth fighting.

    Now, Senator Obama has the opprotunity to display his wisdom by saying what he would do about the financial situaiton. So far, all I have heard is that he has blamed President Bush. I wonder if Senator Obama really believes that American regulators would have been able to stop the problems in the international financial markets? Also, I wonder what specifically Senator Obama believes that the federal government can do in the short term to stop the problem.

  5. Ricorun

    jwest: Within the next few weeks, the new self identification numbers will come in with a large swing up for republicans, due to the renewed enthusiasm brought on by Palin and the encouraging polls. When this happens, Rasmussen will average it in, making the true numbers less distorted but distorted nonetheless.

    Who is Palin? More importantly, how is she going to affect my wallet? :-)

  6. Ricorun

    jwest: Within the next few weeks, the new self identification numbers will come in with a large swing up for republicans, due to the renewed enthusiasm brought on by Palin and the encouraging polls. When this happens, Rasmussen will average it in, making the true numbers less distorted but distorted nonetheless.

    Who is Palin? More importantly, how is she going to affect my wallet? :-)

  7. shaun

    If Obama can't make hay off of McCain's ridiculous comments on the economic meltdown then he should drop out of the race. I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.

  8. shaun

    If Obama can't make hay off of McCain's ridiculous comments on the economic meltdown then he should drop out of the race. I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.

  9. shaun

    If Obama can't make hay off of McCain's ridiculous comments on the economic meltdown then he should drop out of the race. I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.

  10. jwest

    “I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.”

    I wonder how many Dukakis supporters were saying the same thing before the industrial sized can of whoop-ass was opened.

  11. jwest

    “I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.”

    I wonder how many Dukakis supporters were saying the same thing before the industrial sized can of whoop-ass was opened.

  12. jwest

    “I expect to see him slowly pull away in the polls that matter.”

    I wonder how many Dukakis supporters were saying the same thing before the industrial sized can of whoop-ass was opened.

  13. JSpencer

    You can forget about the Dukakis era, we are functioning under an entirely different set of dynamics – including an unpopular war, a plummeting economy, and 8 years of rule under an irresponsible administration. In addition, all Americans need to take a close look at the tax policies of the two candidates if they want to see how they will be impacted – not by worn out rhetoric but by reality. The middle class won't see any breaks under McCain, but they will with Obama. It's hard to see how a worsening economy can possibly help McCain.

  14. JSpencer

    You can forget about the Dukakis era, we are functioning under an entirely different set of dynamics – including an unpopular war, a plummeting economy, and 8 years of rule under an irresponsible administration. In addition, all Americans need to take a close look at the tax policies of the two candidates if they want to see how they will be impacted – not by worn out rhetoric but by reality. The middle class won't see any breaks under McCain, but they will with Obama. It's hard to see how a worsening economy can possibly help McCain.

  15. JSpencer

    You can forget about the Dukakis era, we are functioning under an entirely different set of dynamics – including an unpopular war, a plummeting economy, and 8 years of rule under an irresponsible administration. In addition, all Americans need to take a close look at the tax policies of the two candidates if they want to see how they will be impacted – not by worn out rhetoric but by reality. The middle class won't see any breaks under McCain, but they will with Obama. It's hard to see how a worsening economy can possibly help McCain.

  16. DLS

    I wouldn't rush to judge things yet. Not only is Palin continuing to boost the GOP side (as are the scummy attacks by the transparently liberal media and other Obama-Dem actors in the Obama campaign, such as Hollywood and scummy behavior toward Palin by so many people there). On the other side, even if Obama and Biden continue to blunder, there should be no reason why Obama and the Dems should not benefit at the GOP's expense with the current economic news — unless Obama and other Dems blow it by making stupid statements or professing stupid intentions for the economy if elected.

    In addition, more intelligent people continue to be wary of some of the worse things about which Obama and other lib-Dems hint at and threaten this country with. It's not just limited to traditional Dem vote fraud (opposition to voter ID? And perhaps also to citizenship checks and criminal background checks for jobs and housing? Why not dispense with gun-purchase background checks while you're at it, unless you want all guns seized and don't care about the last item).

    Consider the nature of ACORN, with whom Obama worked as part of his time as a community organizer — including work on voter activism (in practice, incentive to vote fraud, these days accompanied by the familiar idiotic lie-cry of “disenfranchisement” or “disenfranchise[d]” if and when challenged).

    The following includes one express goal that is known to have been sought — as recalled by non-liberal critical-thinking black American author McWhorter in at least one of his books:

    “Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution. The NWRO agitated for unlimited welfare benefits for those mothers and persuaded many urban politicians to loosen welfare eligibility requirements. This led to a more-than doubling of the welfare roles and strained local budgets. Wiley hoped to persuade the federal government to come to the rescue with massive aid. Instead NWRO's strategy prompted a backlash against 'welfare mothers' and politicians in free-spending cities like New York.”

    “It is no surprise that ACORN preaches a New Left–inspired gospel, since it grew out of one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization. In the mid-sixties, founder George Wiley forged an army of tens of thousands of single minority mothers, whom he sent out to disrupt welfare offices through sit-ins and demonstrations demanding an end to the 'oppressive' eligibility restrictions that kept down the welfare rolls. His aim: to flood the welfare system with so many clients that it would burst, creating a crisis that, he believed, would force a radical restructuring of America’s unjust capitalist economy.

    The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley’s wildest dreams. From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city’s private economy. Yet far from sparking a restructuring of American capitalism, this explosion of the welfare rolls only helped to create a culture of family disintegration and dependency in inner-city neighborhoods, with rampant illegitimacy, crime, school failure, drug abuse, non-work, and poverty among a fast-growing underclass.

    And at least one other detail is also amusing:

    “The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn's own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.”

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-ac

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nu

    The liberal media, Hollywood, and the play-pen bloggers will howl if Obama's “work” and relations with people and organizations like this (Ayers, Wright) are publicly and substantially examined.

    And are Obama and Biden paying their people at least the minimum wage (if not a “living wage”) or they being “encouraged” (required) to be “volunteers”?

  17. DLS

    I wouldn't rush to judge things yet. Not only is Palin continuing to boost the GOP side (as are the scummy attacks by the transparently liberal media and other Obama-Dem actors in the Obama campaign, such as Hollywood and scummy behavior toward Palin by so many people there). On the other side, even if Obama and Biden continue to blunder, there should be no reason why Obama and the Dems should not benefit at the GOP's expense with the current economic news — unless Obama and other Dems blow it by making stupid statements or professing stupid intentions for the economy if elected.

    In addition, more intelligent people continue to be wary of some of the worse things about which Obama and other lib-Dems hint at and threaten this country with. It's not just limited to traditional Dem vote fraud (opposition to voter ID? And perhaps also to citizenship checks and criminal background checks for jobs and housing? Why not dispense with gun-purchase background checks while you're at it, unless you want all guns seized and don't care about the last item).

    Consider the nature of ACORN, with whom Obama worked as part of his time as a community organizer — including work on voter activism (in practice, incentive to vote fraud, these days accompanied by the familiar idiotic lie-cry of “disenfranchisement” or “disenfranchise[d]” if and when challenged).

    The following includes one express goal that is known to have been sought — as recalled by non-liberal critical-thinking black American author McWhorter in at least one of his books:

    “Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution. The NWRO agitated for unlimited welfare benefits for those mothers and persuaded many urban politicians to loosen welfare eligibility requirements. This led to a more-than doubling of the welfare roles and strained local budgets. Wiley hoped to persuade the federal government to come to the rescue with massive aid. Instead NWRO's strategy prompted a backlash against 'welfare mothers' and politicians in free-spending cities like New York.”

    “It is no surprise that ACORN preaches a New Left–inspired gospel, since it grew out of one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization. In the mid-sixties, founder George Wiley forged an army of tens of thousands of single minority mothers, whom he sent out to disrupt welfare offices through sit-ins and demonstrations demanding an end to the 'oppressive' eligibility restrictions that kept down the welfare rolls. His aim: to flood the welfare system with so many clients that it would burst, creating a crisis that, he believed, would force a radical restructuring of America’s unjust capitalist economy.

    The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley’s wildest dreams. From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city’s private economy. Yet far from sparking a restructuring of American capitalism, this explosion of the welfare rolls only helped to create a culture of family disintegration and dependency in inner-city neighborhoods, with rampant illegitimacy, crime, school failure, drug abuse, non-work, and poverty among a fast-growing underclass.

    And at least one other detail is also amusing:

    “The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn's own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.”

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-ac

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nu

    The liberal media, Hollywood, and the play-pen bloggers will howl if Obama's “work” and relations with people and organizations like this (Ayers, Wright) are publicly and substantially examined.

    And are Obama and Biden paying their people at least the minimum wage (if not a “living wage”) or they being “encouraged” (required) to be “volunteers”?

  18. DLS

    I wouldn't rush to judge things yet. Not only is Palin continuing to boost the GOP side (as are the scummy attacks by the transparently liberal media and other Obama-Dem actors in the Obama campaign, such as Hollywood and scummy behavior toward Palin by so many people there). On the other side, even if Obama and Biden continue to blunder, there should be no reason why Obama and the Dems should not benefit at the GOP's expense with the current economic news — unless Obama and other Dems blow it by making stupid statements or professing stupid intentions for the economy if elected.

    In addition, more intelligent people continue to be wary of some of the worse things about which Obama and other lib-Dems hint at and threaten this country with. It's not just limited to traditional Dem vote fraud (opposition to voter ID? And perhaps also to citizenship checks and criminal background checks for jobs and housing? Why not dispense with gun-purchase background checks while you're at it, unless you want all guns seized and don't care about the last item).

    Consider the nature of ACORN, with whom Obama worked as part of his time as a community organizer — including work on voter activism (in practice, incentive to vote fraud, these days accompanied by the familiar idiotic lie-cry of “disenfranchisement” or “disenfranchise[d]” if and when challenged).

    The following includes one express goal that is known to have been sought — as recalled by non-liberal critical-thinking black American author McWhorter in at least one of his books:

    “Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution. The NWRO agitated for unlimited welfare benefits for those mothers and persuaded many urban politicians to loosen welfare eligibility requirements. This led to a more-than doubling of the welfare roles and strained local budgets. Wiley hoped to persuade the federal government to come to the rescue with massive aid. Instead NWRO's strategy prompted a backlash against 'welfare mothers' and politicians in free-spending cities like New York.”

    “It is no surprise that ACORN preaches a New Left–inspired gospel, since it grew out of one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization. In the mid-sixties, founder George Wiley forged an army of tens of thousands of single minority mothers, whom he sent out to disrupt welfare offices through sit-ins and demonstrations demanding an end to the 'oppressive' eligibility restrictions that kept down the welfare rolls. His aim: to flood the welfare system with so many clients that it would burst, creating a crisis that, he believed, would force a radical restructuring of America’s unjust capitalist economy.

    The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley’s wildest dreams. From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city’s private economy. Yet far from sparking a restructuring of American capitalism, this explosion of the welfare rolls only helped to create a culture of family disintegration and dependency in inner-city neighborhoods, with rampant illegitimacy, crime, school failure, drug abuse, non-work, and poverty among a fast-growing underclass.

    And at least one other detail is also amusing:

    “The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn's own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.”

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-ac

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nu

    The liberal media, Hollywood, and the play-pen bloggers will howl if Obama's “work” and relations with people and organizations like this (Ayers, Wright) are publicly and substantially examined.

    And are Obama and Biden paying their people at least the minimum wage (if not a “living wage”) or they being “encouraged” (required) to be “volunteers”?

  19. DLS

    I wouldn't rush to judge things yet. Not only is Palin continuing to boost the GOP side (as are the scummy attacks by the transparently liberal media and other Obama-Dem actors in the Obama campaign, such as Hollywood and scummy behavior toward Palin by so many people there). On the other side, even if Obama and Biden continue to blunder, there should be no reason why Obama and the Dems should not benefit at the GOP's expense with the current economic news — unless Obama and other Dems blow it by making stupid statements or professing stupid intentions for the economy if elected.

    In addition, more intelligent people continue to be wary of some of the worse things about which Obama and other lib-Dems hint at and threaten this country with. It's not just limited to traditional Dem vote fraud (opposition to voter ID? And perhaps also to citizenship checks and criminal background checks for jobs and housing? Why not dispense with gun-purchase background checks while you're at it, unless you want all guns seized and don't care about the last item).

    Consider the nature of ACORN, with whom Obama worked as part of his time as a community organizer — including work on voter activism (in practice, incentive to vote fraud, these days accompanied by the familiar idiotic lie-cry of “disenfranchisement” or “disenfranchise[d]” if and when challenged).

    The following includes one express goal that is known to have been sought — as recalled by non-liberal critical-thinking black American author McWhorter in at least one of his books:

    “Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution. The NWRO agitated for unlimited welfare benefits for those mothers and persuaded many urban politicians to loosen welfare eligibility requirements. This led to a more-than doubling of the welfare roles and strained local budgets. Wiley hoped to persuade the federal government to come to the rescue with massive aid. Instead NWRO's strategy prompted a backlash against 'welfare mothers' and politicians in free-spending cities like New York.”

    “It is no surprise that ACORN preaches a New Left–inspired gospel, since it grew out of one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization. In the mid-sixties, founder George Wiley forged an army of tens of thousands of single minority mothers, whom he sent out to disrupt welfare offices through sit-ins and demonstrations demanding an end to the 'oppressive' eligibility restrictions that kept down the welfare rolls. His aim: to flood the welfare system with so many clients that it would burst, creating a crisis that, he believed, would force a radical restructuring of America’s unjust capitalist economy.

    The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley’s wildest dreams. From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city’s private economy. Yet far from sparking a restructuring of American capitalism, this explosion of the welfare rolls only helped to create a culture of family disintegration and dependency in inner-city neighborhoods, with rampant illegitimacy, crime, school failure, drug abuse, non-work, and poverty among a fast-growing underclass.

    And at least one other detail is also amusing:

    “The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn's own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.”

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-ac

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nu

    The liberal media, Hollywood, and the play-pen bloggers will howl if Obama's “work” and relations with people and organizations like this (Ayers, Wright) are publicly and substantially examined.

    And are Obama and Biden paying their people at least the minimum wage (if not a “living wage”) or they being “encouraged” (required) to be “volunteers”?

  20. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  21. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  22. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  23. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  24. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  25. Silhouette

    JSpencer has an excellent point. Today's race is nothing like the old races of memory. Our country is literally on the verge of collapse. People aren't going to be voting tabloid or personality this time. They are going to be voting issues.

    The better Obama can pull ahead as having his finger on the pulse of the issues, and from wence they sprang, and in making it look like McCain represents the source instead of the cure, he will have a certain victory.

  26. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  27. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  28. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  29. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  30. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  31. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  32. Mike_P

    When the race turns to issues and away from lipstick, McCain loses. It's why they've spent the last 3 weeks flinging poo and avoiding issues. Now issues and policy are being pushed back to their rightful place in determining who should be the next president – front and center. And as he has said, that's a debate Obama is prepared to have with McCain. The first actual debate is next Friday…

  33. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  34. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  35. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  36. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  37. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  38. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  39. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!

  40. JSpencer

    Bring on the debates!!!