Comments on: Democrats could win the election with a vote on SCHIP http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:27:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: lurxst http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-140674 lurxst Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:04:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-140674 Congressional Democrats do not have a veto-proof majority. They know that an SCHIP vote is going to invite all sorts of Republican obstructionism, filibusters, etc that will not only prevent an SCHIP vote before the November break but will also eat up time that could get used actually passing other legislation. Its unfortunate because an SCHIP vote would be a strong weapon to use in congressional campaign races.<br><br>Bottom line, the lame Democratic leadership doesn't seem to have to the wiles to pull off an actual vote on SCHIP. Congressional Democrats do not have a veto-proof majority. They know that an SCHIP vote is going to invite all sorts of Republican obstructionism, filibusters, etc that will not only prevent an SCHIP vote before the November break but will also eat up time that could get used actually passing other legislation. Its unfortunate because an SCHIP vote would be a strong weapon to use in congressional campaign races.

Bottom line, the lame Democratic leadership doesn't seem to have to the wiles to pull off an actual vote on SCHIP.

]]> By: GreenDreams http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-140141 GreenDreams Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:15:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-140141 Sil, what damned "scandals?" Please tell me you're not still pimping for the pathetic waste of skin that is Larry Sinclair. He has a permanent laugh track. Sil, what damned “scandals?” Please tell me you're not still pimping for the pathetic waste of skin that is Larry Sinclair. He has a permanent laugh track.

]]> By: GeorgeSorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-139926 GeorgeSorwell Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:53:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-139926 The Congressional Democrats suck. <br><br>And everybody knows it. The Congressional Democrats suck.

And everybody knows it.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-139641 ChrisWWW Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:16:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-139641 <blockquote>Chris, I think trying to label the media as a whole as either GOP dominated or Dem dominated is a bit silly.</blockquote><br>Heh... fair enough :-) I'll put down the Noam Chomsky books for a while.

Chris, I think trying to label the media as a whole as either GOP dominated or Dem dominated is a bit silly.

Heh… fair enough :-) I'll put down the Noam Chomsky books for a while.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-139376 Silhouette Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:58:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-139376 OK, fair enough, CNN is the only outlet documented to have been in bed with military PSYOPS. But you say FOX too, so I'll take your word for it. It sure seems like every word the GOP is pushing also comes out of their mouths as well.<br><br>Obama cannot fire back. Did that get missed in the diversion? He is hamstrung with pending scandals. Everybody knew of this and disregarded it as silly. That's why it's important to get to the bottom of a candidate before the nomination. We all know that wasn't allowed. Obama fended off deep looks into his past with the "racist" card one too many times. And now we're left with a legacy of a man hamstrung by the same skeletons he sought to hide in order to highjack a nomination that on some level he knew was destined to doom the democratic bid this Fall.<br><br>That is the problem. And that is why so many call him arrogant. He even passed over Hillary as VP from this same arrogance of "I can overcome all with the race card". He was wrong. And now the world will suffer for it if McCain takes what looks like will be an easy win..<br><br>Keepin' it real. OK, fair enough, CNN is the only outlet documented to have been in bed with military PSYOPS. But you say FOX too, so I'll take your word for it. It sure seems like every word the GOP is pushing also comes out of their mouths as well.

Obama cannot fire back. Did that get missed in the diversion? He is hamstrung with pending scandals. Everybody knew of this and disregarded it as silly. That's why it's important to get to the bottom of a candidate before the nomination. We all know that wasn't allowed. Obama fended off deep looks into his past with the “racist” card one too many times. And now we're left with a legacy of a man hamstrung by the same skeletons he sought to hide in order to highjack a nomination that on some level he knew was destined to doom the democratic bid this Fall.

That is the problem. And that is why so many call him arrogant. He even passed over Hillary as VP from this same arrogance of “I can overcome all with the race card”. He was wrong. And now the world will suffer for it if McCain takes what looks like will be an easy win..

Keepin' it real.

]]> By: jchem http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-139036 jchem Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:15:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-139036 Chris, I think trying to label the media as a whole as either GOP dominated or Dem dominated is a bit silly. They've both got their outlets. Does that mean I was right before I was wrong? : )<br><br>Elyas, in terms of political strategy I agree. But in terms of reality, cost has to somehow be brought into the discussion. Some things are worth paying for, but I'm just not sure that this would be a good argument for them to get into. CO mentions this with regard to overreaching. Chris, I think trying to label the media as a whole as either GOP dominated or Dem dominated is a bit silly. They've both got their outlets. Does that mean I was right before I was wrong? : )

Elyas, in terms of political strategy I agree. But in terms of reality, cost has to somehow be brought into the discussion. Some things are worth paying for, but I'm just not sure that this would be a good argument for them to get into. CO mentions this with regard to overreaching.

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138849 casualobserver Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:58:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138849 Because, Elyas, the Dems demagogue an issue in the same broad-brush, but deceptive method that you do.<br><br>Absolutely, citizens are overwhelmingly in favor of getting basic coverage to uninsured children. But then, the Dem authors shoot themselves in the foot by overreaching. And their overreaching casuing this type of negative public reaction.<br><br>"As mentioned above, the new SCHIP bill would allow households with incomes $62,000 or more to receive benefits. According to the survey, 92% of Americans said that was unacceptable."<br><br>The Dems are too damned vain to alter their course to actually get it passed. Because, Elyas, the Dems demagogue an issue in the same broad-brush, but deceptive method that you do.

Absolutely, citizens are overwhelmingly in favor of getting basic coverage to uninsured children. But then, the Dem authors shoot themselves in the foot by overreaching. And their overreaching casuing this type of negative public reaction.

“As mentioned above, the new SCHIP bill would allow households with incomes $62,000 or more to receive benefits. According to the survey, 92% of Americans said that was unacceptable.”

The Dems are too damned vain to alter their course to actually get it passed.

]]> By: Elyas http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138807 Elyas Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:53:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138807 jchem: I was looking at this from a political strategy standpoint, rather than getting into the policy itself. There are valid reasons to both support and oppose the bill, and I think ultimately Democrats would win the debate (by arguing some things are worth paying for), and it would shift the focus away from Palin/drilling/taxes to Democrats' home turf. jchem: I was looking at this from a political strategy standpoint, rather than getting into the policy itself. There are valid reasons to both support and oppose the bill, and I think ultimately Democrats would win the debate (by arguing some things are worth paying for), and it would shift the focus away from Palin/drilling/taxes to Democrats' home turf.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138772 ChrisWWW Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:50:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138772 jchem is right...<br>The GOP doesn't control the media. Only Fox News, the WSJ, and the WaPo editorial section. However, the rest of the media is hardly liberal (except for a few notable exceptions like Olbermann and Maddow). They are all cowed by the tactics of rightwingers which prey on the media's self loathing and wanton desire for petty personal attacks. <br>So jchem is technically right, but wrong in spirit. jchem is right…
The GOP doesn't control the media. Only Fox News, the WSJ, and the WaPo editorial section. However, the rest of the media is hardly liberal (except for a few notable exceptions like Olbermann and Maddow). They are all cowed by the tactics of rightwingers which prey on the media's self loathing and wanton desire for petty personal attacks.
So jchem is technically right, but wrong in spirit.

]]> By: jchem http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138725 jchem Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:47:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138725 "the (GOP controlled) media"<br><br>Thanks Sil, I needed that. “the (GOP controlled) media”

Thanks Sil, I needed that.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138643 Silhouette Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:42:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138643 Hillary Clinton ran a campaign fraught with the usual ups and downs of any campaign. The only difference is that the (GOP controlled) media had ankle weights strapped on her as she ran against Obama...all the way down the track. <br><br>The GOP was scared shiteless of having to face off with Clinton in debates where it has no comeback for its malpractice on issues. So it did the next best thing...assisted the elimination of her from the ticket.<br><br>And it worked. Call it paranoid, I don't care. It's the stark truth and you darn well know it. Hillary Clinton ran a campaign fraught with the usual ups and downs of any campaign. The only difference is that the (GOP controlled) media had ankle weights strapped on her as she ran against Obama…all the way down the track.

The GOP was scared shiteless of having to face off with Clinton in debates where it has no comeback for its malpractice on issues. So it did the next best thing…assisted the elimination of her from the ticket.

And it worked. Call it paranoid, I don't care. It's the stark truth and you darn well know it.

]]> By: LeddyCec http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138549 LeddyCec Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:38:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138549 This is fascinatingly paranoid. What on earth could convince you that the same people who brought you 7.5 years of Republican governing could have foreseen, planned and carried out such an outcome? Fiddlesticks. These are the people who, as Brad DeLong says, have never had a single positive outcome in any major governing endeavor.<br><br>Hillary Clinton ran an awful campaign, frittering away all her advantages. The people who love Palin are all republican voters anyway. We know that a portion of white America will still not vote for someone with dark skin. Where's the evil plan here? The rest is just chance events. <br><br>Crediting the dopes who are currently running the federal government with such super-human brilliance is totally at odds with reality. This is fascinatingly paranoid. What on earth could convince you that the same people who brought you 7.5 years of Republican governing could have foreseen, planned and carried out such an outcome? Fiddlesticks. These are the people who, as Brad DeLong says, have never had a single positive outcome in any major governing endeavor.

Hillary Clinton ran an awful campaign, frittering away all her advantages. The people who love Palin are all republican voters anyway. We know that a portion of white America will still not vote for someone with dark skin. Where's the evil plan here? The rest is just chance events.

Crediting the dopes who are currently running the federal government with such super-human brilliance is totally at odds with reality.

]]> By: jchem http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138504 jchem Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:36:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138504 From the same Times article,<br><br>"The cost of the bill has increased, according to the Congressional Budget Office, though the revenues expected from higher tobacco taxes are about the same. Under current rules, Congress would need to find a way to defray the extra cost."<br><br>Imagine that, the price tag increased. Wasn't this the reason why it was opposed in the first place? I don't think Congress wants to explain where they would get additional money, given the current state of affairs with our economy. They should put it up for a vote and articulate just how they plan on paying for it. From the same Times article,

“The cost of the bill has increased, according to the Congressional Budget Office, though the revenues expected from higher tobacco taxes are about the same. Under current rules, Congress would need to find a way to defray the extra cost.”

Imagine that, the price tag increased. Wasn't this the reason why it was opposed in the first place? I don't think Congress wants to explain where they would get additional money, given the current state of affairs with our economy. They should put it up for a vote and articulate just how they plan on paying for it.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-138222 ChrisWWW Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-138222 I heard somewhere that Democrats were really afraid a lot of Republicans would vote for it, thus ruining a major line of attack "So and so voted against your children!"<br><br>Pretty damning for Democrats. If they want to actually get this passed, and not just use healthcare as a political football, they should put it up for a vote. Now. I heard somewhere that Democrats were really afraid a lot of Republicans would vote for it, thus ruining a major line of attack “So and so voted against your children!”

Pretty damning for Democrats. If they want to actually get this passed, and not just use healthcare as a political football, they should put it up for a vote. Now.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-137883 Silhouette Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:15:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-137883 OK, it's time to reveal exactly what is going on with Obama's reticence to attack. And it was one of the Clinton supporters main complaint with Obama...among many...<br><br>Let's just say that when you have as-yet-unearthed scandals looming over your head, you are hamstrung when it comes to going on the offensive.<br><br>And this won't change at all from now until November. Obama is a walking liability and was pre-programmed to lose. That was the GOP trap, and it worked like a charm.<br>1. Install puppets in the DNC<br>2. Denigrate Hillary in the press, nonstop...promote Obama as a new sensation<br>3. Keep scandals about him under wraps until after the convention.<br>4. Keep them under wrap until the last minute to keep him from rebutting real issues that the GOP cannot win on.<br>5. As he looks weaker, gain in the polls...nominate a woman to sweep up the women Obama disenfranchised.<br>6. Wait for an easy win.<br><br>Yep. We walked right into it and now we're here. Is there anything we can do? Why not write the DNC and see what good it does..? OK, it's time to reveal exactly what is going on with Obama's reticence to attack. And it was one of the Clinton supporters main complaint with Obama…among many…

Let's just say that when you have as-yet-unearthed scandals looming over your head, you are hamstrung when it comes to going on the offensive.

And this won't change at all from now until November. Obama is a walking liability and was pre-programmed to lose. That was the GOP trap, and it worked like a charm.
1. Install puppets in the DNC
2. Denigrate Hillary in the press, nonstop…promote Obama as a new sensation
3. Keep scandals about him under wraps until after the convention.
4. Keep them under wrap until the last minute to keep him from rebutting real issues that the GOP cannot win on.
5. As he looks weaker, gain in the polls…nominate a woman to sweep up the women Obama disenfranchised.
6. Wait for an easy win.

Yep. We walked right into it and now we're here. Is there anything we can do? Why not write the DNC and see what good it does..?

]]> By: jwest http://themoderatevoice.com/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/comment-page-1/#comment-137695 jwest Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:59:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/22635/democrats-could-win-the-election-with-a-vote-on-schip/#comment-137695 Democrats in congress are just holding on hoping to keep their jobs, so don’t look to them to try something bold.<br><br><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx">http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congre...</a> Democrats in congress are just holding on hoping to keep their jobs, so don’t look to them to try something bold.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congre...

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