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“You can’t put lipstick on a pig” CRAZINESS!

There were time, when I was a wee lad, my father and I tried to make the messes we made in the garage (working on something) look better by scooting boxes around, throwing a sheet over an obscure hunk of metal, etc. And I remember clear as day, my mother saying to both of us many times:

You can’t put lipstick on a pig…

Come to think of it, my grandparents were fond of saying that old American phrase. Pigs are recognized as just plain ugly no matter what. And that phrase just says it all in many situations. But in today’s political environment, a traditional phrase used to describe all kinds of situations and ideas, means only one thing: SEXISM!

Courtesy of Ben Smith’s Blog:

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin’s new “change” mantra.

“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”

“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”

“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”

The crowd apparently took the “lipstick” line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: “lipstick.”

UPDATE: The McCain campaign is now saying Obama called Palin a pig, which he didn’t. The Obama campaign notes that “lipstick on a pig” is a fairly common idiom Obama often uses, as in a recent Washington Post interview. McCain has also used the phrase.

Though on a day when Obama’s surrogates were joking that Palin’s record can’t be concealed with lipstick, it was hard for those following the campaign not to hear the echo.

UPDATE: Obama aide Anita Dunn responds to the McCain campaign’s claim that Obama compared Palin to a pig:

Enough is enough. The McCain campaign’s attack tonight is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy – the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run.

Here’s the “sexist” (whatever) video of Barack Obama speaking in Lebanon, VA:

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My fellow Americans, I’m saying here and now that Election ‘08 has officially jumped the shark! Oh no! Is there some kind of sexist reference in “jumped the shark”? Please be gentle. I’m a good man! REALLY!

And the McCain campaign is jumping on this like flies to excrement along with other outraged bloggers (see Memeorandum). Throwing around sexism charges without proof is downright disgusting. And if Obama made sexists remarks at that campaign stop, then I guess I’m a raving sexist buffoon for calling my white, French grandmother “Frenchie”.

UPDATE

Courtesy of Marc Ambinder, Senator Obama has used this phrase before when *GASP* men were the target:

I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,’ Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday in a telephone interview. ‘George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.

Obama’s a self-hating man that is sexist toward other men! That elitist black guy sexist dude pig lipstick LOVER!!!!!! Can I say it again? Election ‘08 has officially jumped the shark. And as Charlie Brown says: Good Grief!

  • AustinRoth
    There is no other way to take his comment as a direct reply and an 'attack' directed at Palin. That said, it wasn't 'sexist', but hey, this is politics. Nothing gets by without a rebuttal. (he said 'butt'. That is sexist, too).

    And to use another pig analogy, you can't jump into the political sty and not expect to get a little mud on ya'.
  • No way to take it? I'm sorry Austin Roth, if Obama apologizes for this remark, he really is a wimp and should quit now. That phrase is as common as apple pie and used in COUNTLESS situations.
  • I fear I may have to resign from the TMV staff. I've been using the phrase "put lipstick on a pig" since the seventies. I had no idea I was insulting Sarah Palin all this time. I'm so ashamed and I feel so.... dirty.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard that saying. Certainly well before Palin made her comment.
  • elrod
    This strikes me as an unnecessarily desperate move by the McCain camp. Whether or not Obama was referring to Palin or McCain or both as the "pig" upon which lipstick conceals their real identity, there is clearly no sexist implication of this. At some point the general public has to see this as a pathetic use of the gender card. It really is as bad as the race card.
  • bellisaurius
    I actually sort of like the play on the lipstick comment. I'd think in routine banter between friends this would qualify the person under the "humor exemption" of sexist/racist comments, ie the funnier it is, the more you get away with.

    On another level, I'm a bit bothered by both sides. One side often espouses the position that even moderately benign comments such as "niggardly" qualify as something that needs to be censured. Another side often takes the position that PC speech, and it's authorities attack freedom of expression. Personally, I see the points both sides make, but I dislike the inconsitency in the one side arguing that we shouldn;t joke about these things, and the other side whining when it should just laugh.

    Oh well, the important thing to both sides is getting elected, not having principles. Mea culpa.
  • wasa1
    I guess we just have to concede that Sarah now "owns" the word lipstick...

    Sheesh.
  • barbie123
    We don't have to "concede" anything: to suggest that Barry's remark was not related to and a direct reference to Palin's "pit bull" comment is disingenuous;

    oh, just imagine if McCain had called Michelle a "pig". The outcry! The horror! But because it is Palin, we should all just ignore it because, hey, Barry's such a nice guy!

    Yep, he has proven himself pretty witty and funny when making fun of religious nuts clinging to their rifles; he was pretty witty with his non-answer to Warren's abortion question, too.
  • CitizenKang
    Ah well, anything to distract we huddled masses from discussing boring old stuff like the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (after all, if the GOP's brightest star doesn't know what they do what should we care?).

    Distraction Accomplished!
  • pacatrue
    T-Steel, don't worry. By November, this outrage will seem completely tame and reasonable.
  • Well, I suppose that there's a pot (marijuana) at the end of the rainbow (gay pride) in this issue, where come hell (religious connotations) or high water (New Orleans), any good Samaritan (religious preference) can get stuck up a blind (medical impairment) alley (class warfare) simply by shooting (NRA) straight (homophobic) instead of walking on eggshells (embryos).

    After all, who wants to debate policies when matters more important to fifth graders than their parents can be bantered back and forth? It's not like health care, war, recession, or growing illiteracy are anywhere near as important.

    </end sarcasm>

    Sure, politicians need to grow thicker skins. But I turn that back on the electorate, as well: grow up. Otherwise, neither will your representatives.
  • It could be worse. He could have said, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." which of course would have been a thinly veiled threat.
  • Wow... just wow.
    While [McCain] said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s.

    "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," [McCain] said of [Hillary Clinton's] proposal.

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
  • AustinRoth
    T_Steel - you misunderstand my point. Twisting your opponents words against them in a clever turn of a phrase, which is a form of an attack, is part and parcel of politics. Always has been, always will be. My 'sty' comment was directed at Palin, not Obama.

    That point, said differently, is that it is silly to expect a race of such magnitude to be conducted as a parlor debate. I have no problem with Obama saying what he said, and why in the world should he apologize? It wasn't sexist, which I clearly said.

    I think part of the problem here with your reaction to my comment is that I have decided recently that I have been too reactive and glib in many of my replies, and was not posting and commenting with the balance and perspective that I did for many years at TMV.

    I have complained about the tone and attitude on this board, but obviously have been a contributor to the problem. As I realized that there are posters and commentators for whom I have no respect on this site, and that I could no longer distinguish many of my posts from theirs, I decided to change. It will take time, though, for everyone to get used to that, and not assume I am being reflexive.

    I am not changing my point of view, but I will be more careful how I present myself and my opinions, try to show the real subtleties and ambiguities I believe towards many of the issues discussed here, and try to return to my older, original style.
  • Silhouette
    Considering everything, he could've chosen different words.

    As thin as his skin is to anything that even remotely might be fantasized as "racial", he sure is treading on thin ice throwing that one out to a crowd sensitive about sexism..

    In the South I think I remember a variation, "like putting lipstick on a coon".

    T-Steel. You need to be very careful about saying that something is legitimate just because it gets done a lot. That has been the justification for just about any prejudice I can think of since the dawn of time. "Everyone knows they belong at the back of the bus".

    And so on..
  • nepr
    Though it might be hard to see, because we're embedded in it, a good explanation for the craziness were seeing in this campaign can be chalked up to the fact that this is a very crazy time.

    For one party, we have a black (and half-white) man running for president. He got where he is by defeating a woman. For most of the democratic primary, there was no chance that a white-man would be the nominee. Both of them raised hundreds of millions of dollars.

    We have a guy who's not even a major candidate, who was capable of raising millions of dollars in a single day.

    The other party, the party in power in the white-house, has sometimes looked to be on the verge of collapse, as it sees the leading edge of a demographic wave,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07In...

    but really can't figure out what to do about it.

    And now, we've got yet another woman, and a Republican, running for VP.

    That's a lot for the public, the media, and the pols to absorb in a very short time (though, from the inside, it feels like forever). No wonder we act like ninnies, sometimes.

    I'm reminded of a Sci-Fi story where two characters are trying to have a fight on a planet with low gravity, who find that their reflexes are worse than useless, and spend most of the time floating in the air, trying to get at each other.
  • StockBoySF
    Peter Allen, "Sure, politicians need to grow thicker skins."

    I don't think it's a matter of politicians having thin skin... I think it's their campaigns trying to spin everything to their benefit with the public. If McCain can paint Obama as a sexist to the public, then McCain has accomplished his mission.

    But the bottom line is that no one will remember who said what. Voters will believe that Obama is sexist (or whatever). Two weeks from now many people will say, "Obama is a racist because there was something about it in the news. I forget the exact comment Obama made, but I know he's a sexist."
  • This spin is not sitting very well with some Republicans out there. I talked to one tonight who was wondering what has happened to the party that always denounced calls of racism and sexism, but is now embracing and engaging in them.

    I guess thinking about it there is a sad irony there. McCain won't support equal pay for women, yet he is now a voice of what is sexist and what isn't. Laughable indeed.
  • onleyone
    AR:

    i didn't disagree with what you said so much as i didn't understand you:

    "There is no other way to take his comment [but] as a direct reply and an 'attack' directed at Palin.


    is that what you meant, then?
  • StockBoySF
    You know what's most pathetic? While it is an established fact that Palin was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, and she took the federal money and ran with it, both she and McCain are lying through their teeth when they continually say that Palin was against the bridge and (earmarks).

    The bridge, Palin's support of earmarks and tax positions (and possibly Troopergate, but probably not that much) are her weakest part. So instead of debate the issues camp McCain and Palin continue to lie to cover-up. As long as they push these lies, Palins supporters will claim that the media is being unfair, spinning, etc.

    Then camp McCain and Palin attack Obama on this common phrase to deflect attention away from themselves.

    When we should be asking ourselves why we allow Palin and McCain to lie about such important issues and completely spin Palin into something she is not, we're spending our time debating lipstick on a pig.
  • onleyone
    StockBoySF:

    that's a great lead-in to something i wanted to mention.

    in a comment on an earlier post (here), i pointed out an error made in an avowed right-wing blog known to most of us here. in the spirit of honesty, i want to add that both senators obama and biden voted to approve the funding for said alaskan bridge.

    but i'm not a single-issue voter; so, i still say it would have been a waste of money. but the governor said what she said, and did what she did, and now continues to make false statements on the campaign trail. so there! ;)
  • daveinboca
    Ha ha ha! Barry has been caught being ham-handed or potty-mouthed simply because Sarah had used the lipstick metaphor during her speech at the RNC---you can try to explain it away, but he was silly to fall into employing a trope that she has just made more conspicuous by the "hockey mom/pit bull " punchline at the RNC.

    Every time Barry tries to attack Palin, even inferentially, he lowers his status as being at the head of the ticket. He is obviously off his game if he uses a figure of speech she just gave a new spin to & any way you cut it, Barry Hussein-O looks like he's made a misstep. Even having to explain that he "didn't mean it in reference to Sarah" makes him look silly. It's clear the Dems don't know how to handle Sarah, whose campaign charisma was compared to that of a "freight train" by an Obama supporter!!
  • Gichin13
    I think this McCain cry of sexism is about the most pitiful thing I have ever heard. The sad part is people seem to be stupid enough to be sucked in by this garbage.
  • RememberNovember
    davinboca:

    "ham-handed"- hehe that gave me a chuckle. Yes this election has officially entered the Twilight Zone.

    Nobody mentioned the gender of the pig, now "sowing silk purses from a sow's ear," well that's sexist.
  • AustinRoth, I reacted stronger than I intended because I was having numerous instant message conversations about how this will sink a campaign this and that. I think I channeled those into my reply. It was me, not you.

    Silhouette said: "T-Steel. You need to be very careful about saying that something is legitimate just because it gets done a lot. That has been the justification for just about any prejudice I can think of since the dawn of time. "Everyone knows they belong at the back of the bus"."

    I think the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" is not nearly as loaded as "Everyone knows they belong in the back of the bus". Nevertheless, point taken.

    Overall, my frustration is that everytime I try to vote for one of our Big 2, something like this happens and I hate them all over again. And even my home party, The Greens, have went complete bonkers and nominated Cynthia McKinney!!! Yuck!
  • AustinRoth
    onleyone - Wow. It is amazing how many times you can re-read your own words and mentally add in a word you intended to write, but did not.

    Now I see the confusion my initial post made.

    You are absolutely correct. It should have read the way you wrote it, and I would have bet money I did write it that way. Thanks for the catch.
  • Ricorun
    RN: Nobody mentioned the gender of the pig

    No one mentioned Palin either. Obama said McCain's policies were like putting lipstick on a pig. Heck, we don't even know where Palin stands on any of the policies Obama mentioned.
  • StockBoySF
    I was honestly surprised when Palin compared herself (and hockey moms in general) to a pit bull with lipstick.... which was a line that got a lot of applause. To me a pit bull is a dog that attacks children (and others) and doesn't let go. So when she complains about Obama being sexist by mentioning a pig with lipstick (even when it is clear that Obama was talking about McCain's policies) I find it pretty incredible.

    But then again I guess for a former beauty queen who hunts and kills animals it IS worse to be an ugly pig than it is to be a savage animal that attacks people.

    It's all about priorities.... nice.....
  • CStanley
    I think the McCain camp is making a mistake to respond to this comment. Republicans are fond of saying that politics ain't beanbag, and I think to a great extent that's true- you have to be able to take tough criticisms and even ones that aren't fair, without complaint. Whining doesn't become anyone, and claiming a victim status only makes one look weak.

    That said, I actually do feel there's been a fair amount of sexism in this campaign, and that sexism is more accepted than even muted racism. There's a reason for that, I believe- it's the reality that there are accepted differences between the genders and that affects our view of candidates whether intentionally or not. I really don't think a man would be questioned about his parental responsibilities no matter what his family situation, whereas we clearly see that happening with Palin. Her record is also taken much less seriously and the inexperience charge sticks more with her as a former beauty queen and PTA- hockey mom (consider, for example, that several possible VP picks had been floated around for Obama who had similar level of experience to Palin, yet no one laughed them off as unserious choices.)

    So sexism is real and is present in the current situation (including this particular comment, IMO, but not in the way people are suggesting- I don't feel he was calling Palin a pig, but rather suggesting that McCain picked a pretty face to mask what Obama would call the same old politics.) But complaining about sexism gets us nowhere- it's better to ignore critics and prove them wrong.
  • RevDave
    Do we really want four more years of this type of "governing"? McCain (and this is ALL about McCain and not about his team) has thrown out any pretense about what this election means for the future of this country, and is just clinging to any edge "issue" to distort, LIE, and inflame irrational passions. Beyond disgusting and pathetic. Of course the media loves it and pushes it.
  • JSpencer
    This is an old and oft repeated phrase; in this instance it was used as a direct reference to John McCain's policies. That is all folks! There is no vast left-wing conspiracy to call Palin a pig! Move along...
  • jwest
    This is a perfect issue for McCain.

    Regardless of Obama’s intentions (I believe he was trying to cleverly make the connection), he reinforced the image that the republicans have been trying to establish for him.

    Middle America takes this as a slam to Palin that (in the liberal’s mind) was so subtle and smooth it would pass right over the heads of the rubes at WalMart, but be a great laugh at arugala salad and chardonnay dinner parties.

    Keep it up, Barry.
  • arugala salad and chardonnay dinner parties.


    That sounds awful.
  • shaun
    This is indeed "the perfect issue" for McCain because he doesn't have a pot to piss in on the real issues.
  • PWT
    Just my guess, but most of the responses here, like the initial post, are by men. Perhaps, considering Obama's sinking standing with women, you should ask your wives/girlfriends who or what they believe that Obama was refering to. Much the same way that we small town, small minded bigots often don't hear the racism in our own words, we men often do not appreciate the misogynistic tone that our own words take on.
  • Hey jwest! My wife grows arugala. And I had a thoroughly middle class "house burger" (that's a hamburger with all the MANLY fixins), arugala salad, and a St. Pauli Girl brewski yesterday!

    So does that make me 33% elitist now? RATS! I thought I was 100% middle class not a stinkin' 66 percenter! The shame...
  • Hi PWT. My wife, two sisters, and grandmother didn't hear sexism in his words. One of sisters said (in jest) that "Palin's too pretty to be a piggy so it doesn't work either way".

    But seriously they didn't see sexism since they all have used that phrase many many times. And hardly about women.
  • jwest
    TSteel,

    I’m a big arugala eater too.

    Of course, as a republican, we’ve got a gardener to grow ours.

    (kidding!)
  • I have to admit it, everytime I do eat arugala, I think about ol' Barry-O... *SIGH*
  • jwest
    I just watched Obama’s response to the “pig” incident.

    This guy is going to lose big. He’s flustered, upset, not in control of the message and he made sure this will have a few more days of legs.

    Bill Clinton could have handled this without breaking a sweat. Bubba would have turned this around in two minutes and have the republicans knocked back on our heels wondering how he did it.

    But do you think he’s going to help poor Barack?

    I can just hear him on the phone this morning. “Ya, Barry. You’ve got yourself in some pickle there. If I think of something to say, I’ll be sure to call. Good luck.”

    (click)
  • This "lipstick" thing will have legs regardless. That's how this election season works. And I'm damn sure that if McCain or Palin says "something" it will have legs too.

    He's sticking to his message at his campaign event in Norfolk. And that's basically it. Talk to me after the debates and we'll see who will be losing big time. Right now, it's even.
  • Amanda
    As a woman, can I just say that this is seriously not worth the fuss? Come on guys - he used a common phrase to describe something only tangentially related to Palin and you want to call this sexism? That's so damn ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. I find it incredibly demeaning to women that anyone would assume that Palin is actually hurt by Obama using the word lipstick. For God's sake people, we're spending so much time digging between the lines for teaspoons of dirt when there's tons of mud just piled up on the surface of this race. It's shameful that people who are supposed to know better (particularly journalists) would stoop to covering this non-story instead of focussing on anything that truly matters in this election.
  • Meanwhile Iraq is still burning and our financial system is crumbling. Glad we have our priorities straight.
  • jwest
    Yes, it sure is unfair when a politician makes an innocent statement and is then raked over the coals.

    Just ask former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott or former Virginia Governor and Senator George Allen.
  • Heh... openly longing for the days of institutionalized segregation and using a racial slur against a minority is a little different. But I would probably give the pass to Trent Lott anyways, it was the dude's birthday after all. But don't blame black folk for not voting for him.
  • onleyone
    AR:

    i'm with you there. i probably edit my posts an average of 3-4 times after i submit them. :)
  • onleyone
    jwest:

    but probably not lynn westmorland -- right?
  • jwest
    I’ve never met Westmoreland, but I’ve got to admit his “uppity” remark was not artful, to say the least.

    Good thing he’s not running for president.
  • I guess thinking about it there is a sad irony there. McCain won't support equal pay for women, yet he is now a voice of what is sexist and what isn't. Laughable indeed.


    intoxination,

    I don't think that's an accurate reflection of John McCain's position. He has never stated that he "does not support equal pay for women." He has, on the other hand, opposed legislation mandating that employers pay male and female employees the same amount. There is a difference, you know. One can support something in principle without demanding that the Federal Government pass a law mandating such a principle.

    For example, I believe that motorists should wear seat belts. I believe this because there is abundant evidence that shows that that seat belts have saved countless lives. However, I do not believe the government should have the power to mandate that people wear seat belts and punish those who disobey.

    From a Constitutional perspective, I think McCain has more than ample defense in support of his position. I'm certainly not aware of any clause in the Constitution that states that the Federal Government has the power to dictate what an employer pays his/her employees.

    Having said that, getting back to the topic at hand, I think the McCain campaign's attempt to turn Obama's "lipstick" comment into a sexist comment is pretty desperate...and pretty pathetic.
  • saladspinner
    Middle America takes this as a slam to Palin that (in the liberal’s mind) was so subtle and smooth it would pass right over the heads of the rubes at WalMart, salad spinner but be a great laugh at arugala salad and chardonnay dinner parties.
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