You are using right-wing talking points. Are you sure that you are a moderate?

What do you call Hannity and O'Reilly? I stopped watching Fox News because it has become nothing but right-wing propaganda. It would be nice to have one major network that did not spin or sensationalize the news.

In a close race it is important at the margin. Senator Obama has refused to throw the CBC under the bus like he did to his grandmother. The message is very clear that he will go along with their continued sexism.

Do you really think that white married women want an end to racial profiling (read depolicing), want aggressive enforcement of civil rights laws (read more affirmative action, look at the recent Louisville and Seattle busing cases that were broadly supported by Democrats.

Perhaps you'd be able instead to point to a place where Obama has promoted any of those ideas, since it was your suggestion that these are what have awakened white women as regards black politicians.

Your blog does not fully explain this. Is it because you feel McCain is acknowledging women more by his choice of Palin? (This is not a criticism. I am actually curious.)

In defence of Elrod, I think he is making a valid point about public opinion. Novelty is often a factor in measuring popularity. After all, the people polled probably had very little knowledge of Palin's views.

Indeed, I doubt Elrod or anyone here at TMV could clearly define Palin's views on the debt crisis, Israel/Palestine, the Georgia crisis, what to do in Afghanistan etc.

We know amazingly little about her. Given this, is not “novelty” a valid point in explaining aspects of the McCain ticket bounce?

Maybe you can poitn to an issue that is promoted by the CBC that would benefit instead of harm blue collar and middle class whites. I doubt that bussing, reparations, minority set asides, or depolicing are appealing to middle class whites.

Yes, wait and see over at least another week what the reaction is like. Then there's all kinds of fun and games we'll see between now and the debates, and then the debates, of course. And in addition to the novelty wearing off (it has with Obama and he still has support, and Palin has broad appeal, so don't rush to write her off), don't forget the environment Palin faces versus the other side is hardly neutral; the media up to the GOP convention have been Obama's fifth column (with one or two “journalists” of note being punished recently for being the equivalent of Molotov cocktail throwers on his behalf). I just hope the media realizes that if they get truly ugly in their uneven treatment of the two campaigns and are vicious toward Palin, they risk a public backlash in November.

And SD — you've got to be kidding. White women remember that black politicians have never done anything for them???? Ludicrous! Black politicians are only VERY rarely in a position to do anything for anyone.

You must have learned this trick of continually moving the goal posts from George Bush, I suspect!

Thanks once again for bringing some facts to ponder, Joe.

Caution dictates erring on the side of “bounce” for the time being. The only thing that allows for true partisan gloating is that, bounce or otherwise, the screaming from the lefties these past 5 days, the past six months, hell, the past three years might as well been done directly into a metal pail for all the impact it has had on the independent voter……..the only audience of import remaining.

Maybe if Senator Obama had never had his Sister Souljah moment, the bounced would not have happpened but since David Axelrod is running a 50% plus one campaign in order to hold on to as much of the Democratic party coalition as possible, the bounced is to be expected.

I took the five minutes to Google the names on the focus group list at that time and came up with the same information presented in this article.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/editor-…

I'm not yet in the McCain camp, but I'm no longer in the Obama camp either. I'm back on the fence just at the moment.

“From that Washington Post poll: there was a 20-point swing toward John McCain among white women. Is this interesting and relevant? It might be interesting, but I don’t know that it’s terrifically relevant, at least as far as the electoral math goes. If McCain gained 20 points among white women in a poll where he gained 5 points among registered voters overall, that means McCain made hardly any gains with other groups (e.g. men, and nonwhite women) — in fact, he would have had to backtrack slightly with these groups to get the math to work out right. The gender gap is not very interesting to study from the standpoint of the electoral map, since sex ratios are nearly identical in each state (the West is slightly more male, but we’re talking about something that might have an impact at the tenth-of-a-point level). If the white/nonwhite gap has increased, on the other hand, that could potentially be interesting. One thing I’d like to get a sense of is how Sarah Palin plays among Hispanics.”