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Rare Film: 25 minutes of The Dove: Sarah Palin CSpan Interview

Even if Charlie Gibson gives a whole ‘hour’ to Gov. Palin, the interview will be scripted, edited, parts left out, spliced, and in toto, with commercial breaks be perhaps 16 minutes of Palin speaking.

But, in February of this year, C-SPAN interviewed Sarah Palin whose delivery is quite different than seen at the recent GOP convention, the C-SPAN interview more person-to-person, rather than in tones of voice usually reserved for re-telling the grand sagas. And it is 25 minutes of unscripted Sarah Palin. Watch these films: what do you see/hear in her tone, text, and subtext?

She takes calls from open lines, and gives particular views about the Valdez oil spill and the culpability of the drunken captain.

She speaks of her son being deployed to Iraq, her family’s attitude to her position in government… as one might expect in most families… more concern about their own lives as teens, than hers as Mrs. Gov.

‘Her little known fact:’ her husband is a four-time winner of the Iron Dog race… the oldest and toughest snowmobile race on the AlCan landscape.

She speaks of the polar bear and an imminent meeting with the federal sec of interior, she wanting ’sound science’ if the polar bear is to be characterized as a species con habitat under duress. She speaks about development being an issue in such matters.

She is asked about Obama’s tax strategy and his intent to raise taxes on the upper classes and corporations. Gov. Palin talks about tax cuts as her take on stimulating the economy

She is asked where the line is between middle and upper class… and speaks about cost of living in Alaska being sky high and an 80k income is not the same as 80k income in another town elsewhere in the continental US

Despite all the pundits over the last many weeks who apparently don’t watch C-SPAN and who have wrongly guessed everyone as VP pick … except her…. Gov Palin is asked directly on this film, if John McCain will offer her the VP position. Back in Feb. 08. Interesting subtext to her answer. Had any paid attention.

Wasteful earmarks and corruption are also covered on this interview.

Ethics reform ideas are put forth, but not the particulars…

It is in this part of the Interview (Stave II) that it becomes most clear that Ethics Reform, that is, ‘cleaning up’ is a bloody business… and as I listened I wondered if Sarah Palin knew just how bloody.

Though her tone and demeanor are soft in this interview, cleaning up government et al, takes hoary bristly-legged intent and an Amazonian strength to the finish… far less dove, a great deal more executioner

On this last, I’d just say, few in charge would do what Palin appears to be doing, wielding the axe herself for clean-up. Most moguls, headsmen hire someone else to be hatchetman. Rupert Murdoch comes to mind. He hired Anthea Disney away from TV Guide Publishing Corp., to chop authors and editors at Harper Collins. Which she did in a bloodbath unprecedented in mainstream publishing. In the end, after the bodies lay in the iron stench of the battlefield, Murdoch fired Disney.

Throughout history, in mythos, in the stories of our times, it is often a huge vulnerability to act as hatchetperson oneself.

Yet, reformers and revolutionaries, protectors and visionaries… and scoundrels and terrorists… often do just that.

It’s a heck of a paradox that ‘clean up’ means using cincture, marginalization, garroting and severing even, whether physically, economically, or powerwise, as a primary tool by many different kinds of ‘kings and queens, leaders and viziers’ ….to clear the way for that individual’s or group’s ‘new idea.’

Whether Sarah Palin will be able to command her new catbird seat with the axe in one hand and the dove in the other, remains to be seen.

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  • greginak
    HI, sarah is my gov. there is a lot of much to clean up here in AK, and she isn't dong any of the cleaning. the fed's are doing all the prosecuting, not her. she defeated a spectacularly unpopular gov. this is one of the many things she where she has lied/creatively expanded on the truth. she has not cleaned up anything. and unfortunately she has created her own personal muck.
  • Ricorun
    One thing that intrigued me about that interview is this: about 3 min into part 3 the interviewer asked what the age range of Palin's children were. Check out the exchange there, and also her response to the very nest follow-up question. And keep in mind that Palin was about 6 months pregnant when this interview took place. I don't know what to make of it exactly, except to think it was a very odd exchange.
  • kryon77
    You have some kind of literary disease. Maybe reading some Hemingway will cure you.

    OK, I get it, Sarah fired some people, and she got Alaska out of some sweetheart deals, and opened up some contracts to competitive bidding. I guess that's just like what "scoundrels and terrorists" do, when they're not "using cincture, marginalization, garroting and severing even, whether physically, economically, or powerwise..."

    I eagerly await your dissertation on the career of corporate downsizer "Chainsaw" Al Dunlap. I wonder, did he cincture, marginalize, garrot, or sever? Maybe a little of each, depending on his mood, to various employees.

    That's being said, thanks for the C-Span links. Should be an interesting interview.
  • Marsh
    I always enjoy your posts Dr. E. Imagine that - an interview with a public official on C-Span (gentle slap to forehead).
  • archangel
    no dear kryon, chainsaw al dunlap acted like the lamprey he is, and sucked the guts, read cash, out of the pensions of longtime and hardworking men and women from Sunbeam and bought more shark and barracuda sculptures, lifesize,to decorate the cabanas at his swimming pool.

    dr.e
  • archangel
    dear Ricorun, astute observation about her being pregnant at the time of the CSPAN interview. I dont know, but imagine she knew she was carrying a child with Down's at that point. The 'clutch' you noticed, is interesting

    dr.e
  • archangel
    Dear Greginak

    "this is one of the many things she where she has lied/creatively expanded on the truth. she has not cleaned up anything. and unfortunately she has created her own personal muck."

    can you elaborate on that? She often says '"We" put the government back on track... ' not sure who the 'we' is. Do you live in Juneau or one of the points north?

    dr.e
  • Robin16
    Just a note, in the third video she is asked about her children, FOUR of them. She was also asked what she would do if McCain did call her to invite her on to the ticket. She responded that she would cross that bridge when she got there.

    She was SIX MONTHS pregnant with a Down syndrome infant.

    No mention she was pregnant. I'm sorry, but I'm the mother of three daughters. I had my last (no complications) at age 42. There is NO way I would respond that I would cross a bridge should I be asked to be the vice president of the United States KNOWING I was pregnant , let alone with a special needs child.

    I'm sorry, but I personally think there is a cognitive dissonance with Sarah Palin when it comes to her children and THEIR needs.

    Note, in 2004 she was asked about running for the Senate. She claimed she couldn't be a hockey mom at the same time and that her son had concerns about her being unavailable. Her son spent his last year of high school out of state supposedly to be on a school's hockey team.

    Are people really afraid to ask these questions because she is a woman and she supposedly has cracked the glass ceiling?

    Remember, she was six months pregnant when the above CSPAN interview was conducted and she made NO mention of this NOR did she seem to be leaning towards turning down the invitation from McCain should it materialize.

    This goes to character in this mother's book.





    These are "family values"? Sorry, but I find this beyond believable.
  • archangel
    Dear Marsh... your comment is poignant, I think, because more and more I hear people are turning to CSPAN for news, as a main source. I never thought I would see entire cable networks be rather nonstop partisans for whomever their guy is.... balanced seems sometimes to be a word that only applies to ballerinas nowadays,

    If y ou go to the CSPAN website, or to the section of YouTube devoted to CSPAN, there's lots of interesting films there.... including CSPAN2 re many serious and interesting interviews with authors of political and history books, as well as all other genres of books.

    It's not everyone's cup of tea, but like tonight, it's cold here in the Rockies, just built a fire, and am watching CSPAN. For a moment, life seems good. lol . Given these times in my life, I am grateful.

    dr.e
  • WilRobinson
    Charlie Gibson has never done a hard-hitting interview in his life. Expect more of the Democratic primary debate issues (i.e., focusing on flag pins instead of issues) that he displayed in the spring.
  • denisedh
    I think the hardest thing about being a reformer in politics is the unspoken deal made between the crooked politician and their constituents--the politician brings home the bacon, skims some for him or herself and the people mostly look the other way because they are getting their goodies. Not many people get elected by telling their voters that if they want the government to help them when they get in a jam, they have to pay into the system. I have heard too many people complain about their taxes then when mom needs a nursing home, expect a handout and do everything they can to hide mom's assets, not wanting to spend their inheritance on needed care. So, we love being told for example, that we can go to war and it won't cost anything. We want to believe it so much we go right along with it.
    Reformers, whistle blowers, anyone who tells us the truth when it's unpleasant--those are not popular people.
  • greginak
    archangel- i live in anchorage. the state republican establishment is massively corrupt by any standards. the push towards cleaning it up has been led by a long running federal investigation that has put several state pols and big business types in prison. that is the only thing that has changed. it is not like there are an entire new crew just because of sarah. to her credit sarah, and some others, have tired to change that culture by standing up to the wost of the corrupt bastards club ( corrupt bastards club was the nickname the SOB's gave themselves), but she has in no way reformed the state gov. because she has many of the same tendencies as the old boys. . I will give her credit for breaking with the worst of corrupt bastards, but she was not the only one and she did that when there was clear political advantage.

    what people are calling Troopergate is seamy. no matter what else, she blatantly lied when confronted and has done whatever she could to prevent an investigation

    before she won the governorship she defeated the old, super unpopular repub Governor in the primary. however the old guy was so disliked he came in third or forth in the primary. in no way was the only person to stand up to him. in fact if it wasn't her, another repub would have beaten the old guy.
  • archangel
    thank you dear greginak, I appreciate your viewpoint. That was a clear take on matters, and I would like to later this week look into this a bit more, re feds and what they've been doing in AK. I would think Murtha's name will come up on one aspect or another. CBC is quite a moniker. I appreciate you give credit and critique at the same time.

    The state trooper issue will, I believe, be headlights on bright in the coming week. I am more interested at the moment in seeing what the Feds, usually 'slower than molasses in January... and Feb and March too," have been doing up in AK all this time.

    Soon.

    dr.e
  • archangel
    Dear WilRobinson, great name, by the way. WHen I met Charlie Gibson a few years ago, before he was an anchor at ABC news, but rather a host at GMA, my impression of him was that he was a man who genuinely liked people, and especially had a warm place in his heart for children in struggle. That was in comparison to some of the far more glossy male interviewers at GMA during that time... I mean so plastic, that you werent quite sure they wouldnt bleed circuit board wires or something... lol

    My sense has always been that his watching several well liked hosts at GMA being 'retired' for likely being 'too old,' that when the chair opened at News, he saw it as oppty to remain employed and do something useful... although most of the anchors seem newsreaders more than new-choosers, in terms of topics etc

    I have always felt a little sorry for him, for the pressures, trap, I think he and many like him are in.... they seem not journalists, but rather they 'visit' with their interviewees. There's a place for that too. But there's also place for many other kinds of interviews. I especially like the kind of interviewer that ekes out the psychological roots and motives of a politician.... sometimes that is as much the story as their pecadillos and triumphs... thnking just for a second about Karl Rove who believed his stepdad was his father, then turns out stepdad is gay and leaves family and Karl's mother commits suicide. A horrible and tragic story, but also, I think an interesting rootstock to his story

    I hope with you that the flag, flag pin, flagging vitality of the dialogues will be replaced by something more meaningful, strating with Freddie and Fannie would be good for starters, since it is the biggest grab/protective custody prob ever done by our government of any financial program under which hang thousands of banks like minnows....more billions lost and to be paid by us. Neil Bush and Silverado debacle come to mind, S&L disasters.

    Boy.

    dr.e
  • archangel
    Dear Robin 16, yes I think that does give pause to any of us who are mothers and grandmothers. I've 3 children also, like you. I only know that life is complex, that each child brings their own gifts and challenges....

    Too, I note that extroverted people like Gov Palin are often high high energy people who delegate a great deal. Coming from Catholic background myself, I saw many mothers with ten children... and not sure even when mothers stayed at home, that the kids got what they deserved and needed... unless mother and father made some of the older kids into little mothers and fathers. That too being an issue to many.

    Not sure what I would do if in similar situation; I think, I would just very dearly want to bring the child in my belly into this world as safely as possible, first and foremost.

    But, I know people/mothers/fathers are different according to constitution and personality and vitality and some would say, even, destiny. As a deeply introverted person who would rather stay in her cave than gallavant the world, my answer would have probably been, some stuttering pathetic m-m-m-me? VP, oh no, I just couldnt!

    lol

    besides, have you ever read Prez Regan's book about his years in the white house ? BORING. It's like have breakfast with this dignitary, go bless the boyscout troop, go wave at the parade, meet with the general, have tea with the muckity muck. lol

    dr.e
  • archangel
    dear denisedh... you wrote "Reformers, whistle blowers, anyone who tells us the truth when it's unpleasant--those are not popular people."

    I was thinking when I was reading your accurate remark that even at the tiniest level, the family level, it's a delicate thing for anyone to tell too much of the 'unpleasant' truth. Excepting the children, of course. Who thankfully, in most cases, are observing everything about the Emperors all along.

    It makese me wonder if government is actualy partially based on very old-syle medieval family structures, what with all the secrecy and dark motives and behind the scenes scabborous deeds and such.

    Maybe we need to sincerely evolve into a new paradigm

    dr.e
  • bickerstaff
    I think Greginak is referring to the fed's corruption probe of Alaskan legislators that nailed Ted Stevens. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_political_c...)

    It's true that Sarah Palin very likely did not have much to do with that, but I think she did reform the state government. Her ethics reform bill is a good example. She also has it so that any check written by the state government for more than $1000 is published on a government website. There is much more transparency in state gov.
    (http://www.betanews.com/article/Where_does_Sara...)
  • pacatrue
    bickerstaff: "She also has it so that any check written by the state government for more than $1000 is published on a government website. There is much more transparency in state gov."

    One would have to think through the ramifications of this, but in general, it's a very intriguing idea.
  • spirasol
    Yup, she sure looks calm and the interviewer too, is calm and relaxed, calm and relaxed...........

    In contrast, and about the eventual interviews of Sweet Sarah, Glenn Greenwald writes....... "Criticizing the McCain campaign for refusing to allow reporters to question Sarah Palin, Time's Jay Carney writes:

    Political operatives love to talk about circumventing the media and other co-called "elites" -- i.e., independent specialists, observers and thinkers. The operatives convince themselves they can take their candidate's message directly to the people -- on their terms, without all that poking and prodding and skepticism. That's propaganda. In a democratic society, it rarely works for long.

    If only that were true. But if there's one indisputable lesson from the last eight years, it's that political propaganda works exceedingly well -- not despite an aggressively adversarial press but precisely because we don't have one.

    Carney is exactly wrong. Propaganda thrives -- predominates -- in our democracy for many reasons, the principal reason being that we don't have the sort of journalist class devoted to exposing it. Anyone who wants to contest that should examine the empirical data above, or more convincingly, just look at what the Bush administration has easily gotten away with over the last eight years -- the systematic deceit, the radicalism, the corruption, the crimes.

    The ideological extremism and growing ethical questions that define Sarah Palin -- and especially the discredited, rejected core beliefs of John McCain -- means that the McCain campaign should have much to worry about in this election. Having Sarah Palin face the mighty, scary American press corps certainly isn't one of them. That's just a melodramatic distraction, one that will redound to the GOP's benefit. Palin will "face" our media soon enough, and it will probably be the easiest thing she'll have to do between now and November."

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/07-4
  • Thank you, Dr. Estes for all that you do here. I commend you for the thoughtful way you respond to those who comment on your posts. It is most uncommon, as are you.

    The thing that distresses me most about Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain is that they appear to be trying to deceive the public into voting for them, or more accurately, against Obama. They lie openly about Obama's policy proposals and about their own histories. They know that the facts will contradict them, indeed that video footage of their own words will contradict them, but calculate that the public will buy their talking points without heeding other sources of information. The calculation works, because most do not have the time or depth of interest to dig into every statement.

    Most cynically of all, their campaign openly supports the idea of making the race for the presidency a popularity contest rather than a decision based on the issues. They seek to raise their positives while raising their opponent's negatives, with no regard for the fact that their policies are anti-democratic; that is, they are attempting to scare voters into voting against their own clear personal interests, as well as those of their children.

    And so, we boomers, and those older than us, will exit the scene leaving to our children a mountain of debt and a degraded planet. To my own son, to your children and all others, I am truly sorry. I have tried my entire adult life to support those who would take us in a different direction.
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