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“Right” Convention, Wrong Country?

Listening to the various speakers during the Republican Convention, I got the distinct and very uncomfortable feeling that this event was taking place in some other country.

A country where about one-half of its people are unpatriotic, disloyal, defeatist, “do not support the troops.”

A country where only the ruling party believes in the culture of life, personal responsibility, hard work, and the rule of law.

A country where about one-half of its people “don’t put country first,” do not really love their country. A half where its military heroes are no longer considered heroes because they belong to the wrong political party, to the wrong half.

An opposition party that is, in Michael Reagan’s words, “liberal-infested, elitist.” In addition, according to Rudy Giuliani, a party that is afraid to say “Islamic terrorism,“ and that has “given up on their country.” A party that “would rather lose a war than lose an election.”

A country with an opposition party that is trying to elect as President a “Marxist-leaning, terrorist-loving, funny-looking, funny-named demagogue,” who will be a disaster for the country.

A country where just about one-half of its people lack moral or religious values, are elitists, and just plain “whiners.”

A country where the ruling party claims a monopoly and sole rights to the country’s flag, to its national anthem, other national symbols, and even to God.

My feelings that this convention was not being held in the U.S.A. were reinforced when the cameras scanned over a sea of faces supposed to represent the diversity, the kaleidoscope that is the United States of America, but, instead, was 99 percent white.

The words of the speakers did not ring true; did not match my recollection of the country and the people that so generously welcomed me into their midst, and adopted me, 50 years ago. The country and the people for whom I proudly served in its military for 20 years.

Yet, when candidate John McCain appeared on the stage in St. Paul, and I heard the incessant chanting USA! USA! USA!, I knew that I was in the right country—just that the “atmospherics” and the trappings were wrong.

I love the country that allowed me to become a naturalized citizen. That permitted me to serve in its armed forces. That gave my family and me the opportunity to share in the American dream. I love all 300 million Americans. I believe that “both halves” of our country are patriotic, have family and moral values, are God-fearing, love their country, and respect each other.

Furthermore, I firmly believe that once the extravagance, the exuberance and the theatrics of the political moment subside, the two halves will come together again. They must.

  • CStanley
    So, now not only should Republicans cease and desist from any negative attacks on Democratic candidates, but should also refrain from framing the GOP in any positive way whatsoever (because you mistakenly believe that a positive assertion about the party one belongs to is the same thing as a claim that the other party lacks those values completely?)
  • That's the problem with partisan politics, it becomes a "pure us vs. them-a-thon" with no quarter given. Now I do understand how passionate people can feel about issues (pro-choice vs. pro-life for example). But if you REALLY look at things, this country is more united than divided. I'm sandwiched between an ultra-conservative Republican neighbor and liberal Democrat neighbor. We all get along majority of the time (even when arguing). If you believe the hard partisans, that shouldn't happen. In my opinion, this country won't go down the tubes with McCain or Obama at the helm. It's a matter of "country flavor".

    Americans are decent people. Black, white, red, yellow, green, polka dot, chartreuse, maroon, etc...
  • Ricorun
    Well, the red folks didn't fare well -- until they got to own casinos.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    CStanley:


    "because you mistakenly believe that a positive assertion about the party one belongs to is the same thing as a claim that the other party lacks those values completely?)"

    How many reliable quotes would you like from Republicans specifically and unequivocally calling liberals amoral, Godless, evil, without family values, unpatriotic, defeatists, etc., etc.

    We could start with Conservatiove icon Rush Limbaugh's extensive "library" on the subject, and go from there....
  • Rambie
    It's the logical progression of divisive politics, Us-vs-Them... Good vs Evil.

    It's also no different than the Democrats. BOTH sides need to cool it and the sooner the better for the country.

    After 9/11 there was a time where I thought divisive politics were going to end, but it didn't last. Who threw the first stone, I don't know for sure, but I know who I think did.
  • CStanley
    And Rush spoke at the GOP convention, D. E.? There are people on talk radio, the blogosphere, and elsewhere who are vitriolic in their labels of their political opponents, but that's not what you get at the conventions.

    I agree with T Steel, except that a party's convention is the one place where I don't begrudge people some partisanship- aside from the legal aspects of nominations and rulemaking, the whole point of a convention is to have a pep rally.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    "the whole point of a convention is to have a pep rally."

    "pep rally" to demonizie the opposition, and in doing so all the members of the opposing party?

    And, I am sure the Conservative base, disagrees vehemently with Rush Limbaugh...
  • casualobserver
    DE Rodriguez.....read Shaun Mullen's and Michael Stickings posts for the last couple of weeks and report back with your apologies.
  • CStanley
    casualobserver: I was actually going to refer D. E. to the transcripts of the speeches from the Democratic Convention, since we were focused on that...and come to think of it, he may have a point- they did go a bit over the top in demonizing the Bush administration and in doing so all the members of the opposing party.
  • CStanley,
    Come on now. You admitted yesterday that Republicans resort to personal attacks more than the Democrats. You said it was because Republicans want to show that Democrats are pulling the wool over the eyes of the country, or something to that effect.

    Last week I heard Democrats complain about Republican policy and George Bush. I didn't hear Democrats openly mock "conservatives" or small town folk. But this week, we heard a lot of talk about the evils of liberals (go watch Romney's moronic speech again) and the dangers of eastern elites, aka big city folk. An entire city, San Francisco, is frequently demonized (Sarah Palin did it in her speech).

    There is no double standard here.
  • Silhouette
    What you saw was a convention of elite, rich, white people. Was I the only one wearing sunglasses in order to keep from going blind from the whiteness?..lol..

    And yes, it's another universe. They like to pat themselves on the back and think they are the only "true" americans. Meanwhile it's the regular folk like us that float their boats. Without us, they would be having to join the real world.

    And what a shocker that would be for them..

    How "unpatriotic" of us to want affordable health care? How "blasphemous" of us to want choice in our lives? How "traitorous" of us to want oversight on BigOil?

    The Bible that so many of them thump has a saying...a very socialist saying...

    "Be thy brother's keeper". I guess only part of the Bible is worth paying attention to, when their real religion centers around worship of money..
  • JSpencer
    What IS all that chanting USA USA USA stuff anyway? I mean we all KNOW this country belongs to all of us right? Isn't that just assumed? To me it's like the flag pin thingee and the other hyper patriotic themes the GOP latched onto - not to mention the militaristic themes. It's as though they are trying to suggest that one party is somehow more American than the other. I'll tell you, it may be a rallying theme for the GOP, but it gives the impression of division to many other Americans. Btw, military veteran groups have been sending more campaign donations to Obama then they have McCain. Did any of you know that? Maybe all those patriotic surface trappings aren't quite as convincing as they're intended to be. An old saying about actions vs. words comes to mind.
  • CStanley
    No, Chris, what I was saying yesterday is that the type of negative narrative that the Republicans tend to use comes across as more of a personal attack on the character of the opposing candidate, because the villain in the conservative narrative is government.

    What you are describing that the Dems are currently doing is actually the exact same thing that I was ascribing as the usual GOP line- saying that govt is the enemy. They're doing it this time around because they're trying to run against an unpopular incumbent instead of against the actual opposing candidate.

    But if you think I'm insulted by that or getting bent out of shape, I didn't mean it that way- I was just being sarcastic because D E made a point about the GOP that I feel was very apt in regard to the Democrats at their own convention this year.

    I didn't see Romney but don't dispute your point there. However, Palin didn't demonize SF, she just made reference to Obama's tone deaf remarks at a fundraiser there (that's not to say that SF isn't the butt of a lot of conservative jokes- that just didn't happen to be one of them.)
  • JSpencer
    Hey Sil, speaking of the bible, did you know that Jesus was a community organizer?
  • CStanley
    JSpencer- the chants were to drown out some idiot protesters.

    Silhouette: apparently the irony is lost on you, that in a post criticizing the GOP for being divisive you repeatedly tell us all about the mythical "they" of the conservative side of the aisle. You do realize that "they" are just fellow Americans? You know, the ones that the Dems are all inclusive of?
  • CStanley
    My Bible doesn't mention allying oneself with government to help the poor, JSpencer, does yours?

    Is there a lost gospel of Saul Alinsky that's been uncovered?
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    casualobserver says:

    "DE Rodriguez.....read Shaun Mullen's and Michael Stickings posts for the last couple of weeks and report back with your apologies."

    For your information, casualobserver, I have done my time in the military (have you?), so I don' take orders anymore. So, can you please, if you wish, summarize "Shaun Mullen's amd Michael Stickings posts" for me, and then I, not you, will decide if I will "report back with apologies."

    Thank you
  • pacatrue
    I accept that both parties (to varying degrees that I'm not going to take the time to do an empirical study of) need to cool it. That said, I agree with the overall sentiment of the post. How many times does the Republican party need to demonize San Francisco, a very successful American city with the greater Bay Area driving much of the nation' technological advancement? It's attacking other Americans so that some Americans feel better about themselves. And, yes, I get equally upset when people from the North knock the South (I used to take David Shraub to task for this a lot) or people from urban areas knock rural ones (with people in urban areas often being Democrats), and even when people get all upset about evil corporate execs.
  • JSpencer
    CStanley, I don't think you want to get into a discussion about the relative merits of political parties vis a vis christian behavior. Better let that one go.
  • CStanley
    pacatrue: making a joke about how people in San Francisco look down on people from small towns in rural USA is not demonizing San Francisco by anyone's standards outside of TMVille. It's called brushing off someone else's demonization (or condescension) with humor.
  • CStanley
    JSpencer: I didn't actually suggest that any comparison between the parties be done (my own opinion is that both would be lacking.) What I was saying is that I don't see Christianity as espousing any particular political ideology- Christians are to help those who are less fortunate, but how they see fit to do that can take many forms and many (or most) times that has nothing to do with government.
  • Ricorun
    CStanley: making a joke about how people in San Francisco look down on people from small towns in rural USA is not demonizing San Francisco by anyone's standards outside of TMVille. It's called brushing off someone else's demonization (or condescension) with humor.

    Ooooh, now I get it. But seriously... have you really thought that thought through?

    (Boy, that was hard to type -- it was the keyboard equivalent of Peter Piper)
  • CStanley
    For those who still claim 'the Republican party is mean, nasty, and divisive', try this on for size:
    http://williamamos.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/phi...
  • CStanley,
    Please go back and watch Romney's speech and then Rudy's speech. That "RNC" joke doesn't even come close to the despicable nonsense being spewed by those two "patriots."
  • CStanley
    chris, I keep hearing everyone hyperventilating about Romney's speech and since I didn't hear it, I did as you suggested and just found the transcript of it. I still don't get it- what is in there besides the standard political rhetoric? For instance,, I see that he had a line about how the speakers at the DNC didn't talk about the threat to America from radical Islamists- how is that different from Biden going off about how the RNC speakers didn't talk about poverty in America, healthcare, etc? Or when the Dems repeatedly said that John McCain just doesn't get it?
  • CStanley,
    Romney's speech - which contained less vitriol than Rudy's - was a nonsensical rant against "liberals." He somehow managed to blame EVERYTHING that's happened in Washington during the last eight years on liberals. He said: "And we will never allow America to retreat in the face of evil extremism! "

    The implication is clear.
  • CStanley
    But that's my point, chris- that's VERY standard rhetoric from both sides, and has been for years. If you'd like I can pick out all of the lines from the DNC speeches (and Biden on the stump yesterday) that are the exact mirror image of that line, with the only difference being that the GOP is demonized as the party that wants to abandon the middle class and poor, throw people out of their homes, and deprive them of healthcare.
  • CStanley
    Oh, and the reason that Nutter clip struck me is that I distinctly remember a lot of complaints from Democrats about Bush and others calling their party the "Democrat party" instead of "Democratic party". Yet it apparently is fine now for elected officials to make public speeches using Kos like namecalling.
  • And Rudy's speech? You seem to be afraid to talk about that one.
  • CStanley,
    The GOP takes it a step further. Democrats don't just have bad ideas, they want America to lose wars, they aren't patriotic, they're all homosexuals, they hate religion, etc.

    To the contrary, Obama, Biden and Bill Clinton have gone out of their way to say that Republicans want good things for the country, they just aren't going about it the correct way.
  • CStanley
    Of course, you haven't shown me a single statement from Romney's speech that did the things that you mention. Instead, you quoted one statement from him that gave a positive affirmation of what the GOP will do and from that you infer that he was insulting the Democrats.

    I mean come on...what speech at the GOP convention actually said anything about Democrats being homosexual or hating religion, or even questioned anyone's patriotism? Just as you only hear Dems saying that the GOP has good intentions but bad outcomes, that's exactly what I hear the GOP saying about Democrats.

    And why have you moved the goalposts to just Rudy's speech now? First you were saying Romney's was bad, now it's not so bad but you really want me to defend Rudy. Well, I don't have time to google it right now, but I did hear a bit of it- where he was riffing on Obama for voting present. It was snarky and a bit meanspirited, I'll admit- but why should his voting record not be an issue? The (untrue) claim that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time certainly got a lot of play at the DNC.
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