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McCain Reaches Out To Center In Acceptance Speech

For more than a year Republican Presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain walked a political tightrope, hoping to keep some of his 2000 moderate-independent voter support and attract GOP conservative base support. He jumped off the tightrope to successfully reunify his party. Tonight, in his party nominee acceptance speech, McCain jumped back on it– at least for a while — and started to reach out to the nation’s political center.

McCain’s main message: Change is coming and that his change — change that will occur by Republicans seeking to change the way the country was governed by Republicans is governed — is more genuine, solid and heartfelt than change offered by Democrats. Second message: his personal history brought him to a point where his sole interest is serving his country. Third message: the Republican party in a lot of ways blew it.

The first part of the message will continue to raise eyebrows among some voters who seek a nice, big broom to sweep out the people largely responsible for the past 8 years. The second message has been told in many ways and many forms before, although this time told with camera shots of GOP delegates displaying quivering lower lips, gazes of admiration and tears in their eyes.

But it’s the third component that could help his sagging 2000 image as the “maverick” who’d reach across the aisle and dare utter words that were often less than worshipful of his own party. It reminds voters of the 2000 McCain:

I fight to restore the pride and principles of our party. We were elected to change Washington, and we let Washington change us. We lost the trust of the American people when some Republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption. We lost their trust when rather than reform government, both parties made it bigger. We lost their trust when instead of freeing ourselves from a dangerous dependence on foreign oil, both parties and Senator Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies. We lost their trust, when we valued our power over our principles.

We’re going to change that. We’re going to recover the people’s trust by standing up again for the values Americans admire. The party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan is going to get back to basics.

The full text of the speech is here.

McCain offered various specifics and contrasted his stand with what he contended were the stands of Obama. And delivery?

John McCain is often to stirring oratory what Ritalin is to hyperactivity. And it was notable that on some of the cable networks some GOPers were echoing a comment some commenters made on the Wall Street Journal site: that oratory doesn’t matter in elections. In other words: this wasn’t a speech that will be played for future generations for its news content, style or delivery. A few of the comments:

–Who else thinks we should just flip the ticket…

–Pale in comparison to (Vice Presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin) last night. Looks old…sounds old.

–I liked what he said and believe he actually believes and means it. I don’t vote on the basis of skilled oratory before huge crowds - that’s not a job requirement (unless you’re running for Hollywood)

–After McCain’s speech — which was disjointed and I think a real disappointment for the delegates — it is clear why he chose Palin: he’s running against Bush and Republicans in Congress almost as much as Obama. It will be very interesting to see how this flys in the press and how Obama/Biden approach it.

–McCain is not the speech maker but he is the person to lead our country. Obama is a Marxist and will destroy our country with his tax and spend policies. McCain asks what we can do for our country and Obama tells people what he is going to make the country do for them.McCain is tested and Obama is not. McCain will win.

But the question is: what did McCain have to do and did he do it?

He had to nurture the party unity that quickly coalesced after Palin’s stemwinding red meat speech to delegates — but he had to reach out to moderates and independents who now perceive him as becoming anything but someone who could reach across the aisle. And he had to show that if he wins he’s not going to be Bush Lite.

He began that process with this speech. So now the questions are whether he was successful and whether he’ll sustain this apparent reaching out…or whether the campaign will settle on another “base mobilization” election aimed a whipping up emotions to get the party faithful to the polls to vote against someone or a hot button issue rather than for what a candidate advocates or proposes. A move towards polarization or a move towards more respectful political coalition building?

UPDATE: Here’s a video of McCain’s speech:
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UPDATE II: A blunt assessment made on MSNBC by former Bush speechwriter and adviser Michael Gerson:

The policy in the speech was rather typical for a Republican. Pretty disappointing. It didn’t do a lot of outreach to moderates and independents on issues that they care about. It talked about issues like drilling and school choice which was really speaking to the converted. I think that was a missed opportunity.

HERE’S A COMPREHENSIVE SAMPLING OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND WEBLOG REACTION:

Media:

--The Washington Post:

Arizona Sen. John McCain sought to wrest the change mantle from Sen. Barack Obama in his acceptance speech tonight at the Republican National Convention, appealing for an end to Washington’s partisan rancor and casting himself as someone who has never forgotten that the first mission of elected officials is to serve the public.

“I don’t work for a party,” the Republicans presidential nominee declared before tens of thousands of cheering, flag waving delegates and party officials. “I don’t work for a special interest. I don’t work for myself. I work for you.”

McCain’s staccato speaking style is a far cry from the smooth, soaring rhetoric of Obama, but tonight he seemed to work to modulate his speech to add emphasis and emotion to his words. The speech, delivered before a gathering of his party’s conservative base, also largely avoided the sort of red-meat rhetoric that might have whipped the live audience into a frenzy but alienate swing voters, who were clearly the target of the address.

But in boasting of his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, McCain declared: “Let me offer an advance warning to the old, big spending, do nothing, me first, country second Washington crowd: change is coming.”

Los Angeles Times:

Tonight was a moment McCain has long sought, overcoming complaints by some party members that he is too much of a political maverick, too willing to work with Democrats, and not conservative enough.

But McCain will try to turn those attributes into positives.

“The constant partisan rancor that stops us from solving these problems isn’t a cause; it’s a symptom,” McCain said. “It’s what happens when people go to Washington to work for themselves and not you.

“Again and again, I’ve worked with members of both parties to fix problems that need to be fixed. That’s how I will govern as president. I will reach out my hand to anyone to help me get this country moving again. I have that record and the scars to prove it,” he said. “Sen. Obama does not.”

In his speech, McCain repeated many of the points he has made in the months of campaigning. He proudly described himself as a maverick who opposed corruption, and noted that he had backed the Iraq war and an increase in U.S. troops to bring security. He called for educational reform, low taxes, spending discipline, open markets and, above all, energy independence — including offshore oil drilling.

New York Times:

Senator John McCain, the former prisoner of war whose bid for the White House appeared in complete collapse just one year ago, accepted the Republican presidential nomination Thursday with a pledge to move the nation beyond “partisan rancor” and narrow self-interest in a speech in which he markedly toned down the blistering attacks on Barack Obama that had filled the first nights of his convention.

Standing in the center of an arena here, surrounded by thousands of Republican delegates, Mr. McCain firmly signaled that he intended to seize the mantle of change Mr. Obama claimed in his own unlikely bid for his party’s nomination.

…..With his speech, Mr. McCain laid out the broad outlines of his general election campaign. He sought to move from a convention marked by an intense effort to reassure the party base to an appeal to a broader general election audience that polling suggests has turned sharply on Republicans and President Bush. He invoked, in one of the most emotional moments of the night, his struggles as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr. McCain also returned to what has been his signature theme as a presidential candidate, including in his unsuccessful 2000 campaign: that he is a politician prepared to defy his own party. He used the word “fight” 43 times during of the speech, as he sought to present himself as the insurgent he was known as before the primaries, when he veered to the right.

USA Today:

Although the positions of Obama and the Democratic Party came under criticism, McCain’s address generally lacked harsh attacks or strongly partisan language. Instead, he focused on the actions he would take as president.

There were a few exceptions.

” I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need,” he said. “My country saved me, and I cannot forget it, and I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God,” McCain said.

“You know, I’ve been called a maverick…sometimes it’s meant as a compliment and sometimes it’s not,” McCain told the convention. “What it really means is I understand who I work for.

“I don’t work for a party. I don’t work for a special interest. I don’t work for myself. I work for you.”

McCain mentioned President Bush only once — early in the speech, when he thanked Bush for his actions in the days after the 9/11 terror attacks.

Weblogs:

James Joyner:

McCain continued a strategy that I’ve disagreed with but that has gotten him this far in building so much around his Vietnam experience. His repeated professions of love for his country, accompanied by chants of USA! USA! USA! put me in mind of the Olympics. As I keep reminding myself, though, I’m not the target audience.

McCain’s speech wasn’t as funny as Sarah Palin’s and his delivery wasn’t as good as Obama’s. Despite having delivered big speeches, including convention speeches, for years, he seemed to have difficulty dealing with unexpected applause.

He’s not selling himself as an orator, though. He did what he had to do: Delivered a competent speech, contrasting his service and experience with that of his opponent, while emphasizing that he understands the need to deal with the country’s problems. The speech won’t generate a groundswell of support but will likely both steady the base and appeal to moderates.

–The Huffington Post’s Joseph Romm explores McCains 10 “energy lies.”

–Andrew Sullivan did some must read live blogging. Here’s his conclusion in two posts. First, this:

Quite a deflation after the drama of last night with the sportscaster-governor. It made me realize how much I am still fond of this guy. And also clearer about why this is not his moment. The specifics were very vague, and the entire presentation based on biography, nostalgia and a kind of strained, exhausted mildness. His performance at Saddleback was much, much better. He seemed very tired to me.

Then, later, this:

I’m sure conservatism will one day recover - because it is right about the main issues: government needs to be kept in its place, taxes should be low and budgets balanced, individuals should be able to pursue their dreams as free of government control as possible, families do matter and need to be free from government interference, free markets and enterprise are the only guarantees of prosperity, moral choices - and their consequences - should be faced by the individual responsibly, and we have to be strong in our defense and prudent in foreign policy. This is the conservatism I still believe in. Deep down, I’m sure McCain does too. But it will only come from the ashes of this fundamentalist, mean-spirited, parochial, arrogant, big-spending, irresponsible shambles of a party. We have to repudiate the party of Rove and Abramoff and Romney and Dobson and Cheney and Bush II.

Burn it down and start over.

Glenn Reynolds:

MCCAIN’S SPEECH: Not bad. But, like Obama, he was overshadowed — Obama by Bill Clinton, McCain by Sarah Palin.

Hugh Hewitt:

In a strong speech that crescendoed to a stirring close, Senator McCain laid out a classically conservative series of policy objectives, with a large emphasis on education reform –a very smart priority fore the fall campaign. And his pledge to shake the spending culture of Washington to its roots is as sincere as it is overdue.

McCain’s rhetorical stride, always steady from his gracious-to-Obama beginning through his response to scattered hecklers –”Please don’t be diverted by the ground noise and the static”– gained momentum when he turned to energy and then beyond that to the war,

….The contrast between McCain and Obama is so sharp, the vast gulf between the former’s sacrifice, service and experience and the latter’s extravagant sense of self so wide, that there is every reason to believe McCain.

Snowflakes In Hell:

I thought McCain’s speech was good, but not outstanding. As senators go, I can listen to him without wanting to gouge my eardrums out. …He played the experience card tonight to Palin’s vigor and youth, which was probably the right balance to strike. His speech was much heavier on policy. McCain ended his speech by describing his transformation from a self-centered fighter jock to a selfless servant of his country through his capture and torture. It’s a compelling story. McCain is definitely not the best speech giver in the world, but he was good tonight. I think the Republican Party is in a much better position to head into November than it was a week ago.

Firedoglake:

Unselfish? Putting country first? Whom does he think he’s kidding?

For the last year, we have watched McCain sell out his principles on issue after issue, including, of all things, his opposition to torture. He’s changed positions on virtually every policy for which he once claimed to stand above others. He’s pandered to and now totally caved to the religious right, extremists he once abhored as a threat to the nation. The media, who once worshipped his candor and openness now condemn his evasiveness and intemperate, robotic statements. One by one, they’ve awakened to find a man they no longer recognize.

He’s turned over his campaign to the same unprincipled smear artists who slimed him so that they could slime his opponent. And to help in that effort, he’s asking his unqualified running mate, a self-described “pit bull with lipstick” to do the dirty work.

His campaign, now stripped of all integrity, and in complete denial about his responsibility for supporting the last eight years of failed policies, has become little more than pumped up self praise, relentless narcissism over a sense of honor he no longer displays, while smearing Obama’s character and lying about his energy and tax proposals. His strategy has been reduced to a Nixonian cultural war coupled with Rovean partisanship designed to divide the nation he claims to love, all as he cynically promises to end the “rancor” in Washington.

--The Seminal:

The content of this very same speech, lays out a platform that features no significant departures from the policies of the Bush administration.

It’s almost laughable. McCain preaches change, but then on issue after issue - from school vouchers and school choice to health care to oil-centric energy policy to aggressive neo-con foreign policy to tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy to a basic denial of the economic suffering of the American working class to playing on fears of terrorism to Cold War rhetoric on Russia to a good vs. evil view of the world to the U.S. mission to spread freedom and democracy around the globe - it’s all just more of the McSame.

So now that the conventions are over and it’s time to get down-and-dirty, America is left with a quite simple choice. Do we want the party that has been in power and is promising to reform itself, even though it can’t come up with any new ideas? Or do we want true change? I believe that the next two months are going to make this choice painfully obvious to the American people.

Powerline:

It was flat at times. McCain seemed almost to be going through the motions when he talked specifics (sort of) on domestic policy. His recitation of specific hardship cases in various swing states struck me as lame, and he didn’t really clear make it clear what he was doing to “fight for” these individuals. (As an aside, one of the cases was the family of Matthew Stanley of New Hampshire. When I was with McCain, he left the reporters on the back of the bus to call that family). And, though McCain perked up when he got to foreign policy, even here he wasn’t as compelling as I expected. Thus, in many ways, Barack Obama probably gave a better speech, qua speech, last week.

But with all that said, I think McCain may well have connected better with the American people on an emotional level than Obama did. And nothing matters more than that.

For McCain seemed more real and more sincere than Obama, and he seemed to be speaking more from the heart. This was certainly true when he brought his speech to a rousing close with a humble recitation of his experiences in Vietnam (including the concession that “they broke me”), followed by his seamless transition to an impassioned appeal for service to country.

Political Scientist Steven Taylor (one of TMV’s favorites) did live blogging. His conclusion:

Basic assessment: It was a pretty run of the mill speech. I am not sure that he did much more than present basic biographical boilerplate along with basic GOP talking points. Aside from not mentioning Bush by name, I am not sure that he did very much to tell us why he wouldn’t be Bush III, which, as I have noted, what I think he needed to do.

--Red State:

John McCain is a great talker, but not a great speaker - he’s the polar opposite of Obama, who gives a tremendous speech but does not converse and answer questions so well. Those of us who have grown to know McCain’s speaking style well over the years did not have great expectations for this speech. This is his weak suit. He was inevitably going to be a bit of a letdown from Wednesday night. Moreover, this was not the speech I would have written for McCain, were I advising him.

Finally, McCain may not have given a great speech, but he ended spectacularly. Judging by their Denver Convention, the Democrats do not know how to end speeches anymore, not the way Teddy Kennedy did in 1980; Obama’s strongest section was the homage to Martin Luther King, but he kept on going after that, and a week later I cannot for the life of me remember how his speech ended. Bill and Hillary’s speeches each rambled on for several minutes after what should have been their endings. McCain’s closing, after recounting the lessons he’d learned in Vietnam (and contrasting himself with Obama’s self-absorption and self-aggrandizement for a life of decidedly mediocre attainments) was tremendous, and positively Churchillian, stressing the single thing about McCain that Republicans like the most, even for all his bipartisanship and his apostasies from conservative orthodoxy - he’s a fighter. It may not read all that well on the page, but after the long hushed recitation of McCain’s POW years, it stirred the crowd to its feet:

My DD’s Jonathan Singer:

It’s possible that this speech is the inverse of Sarah Palin’s last night — boring for the crowd inside, but more palatable for the general viewership. I say possible, though, for a reason; McCain’s delivery was decidedly underwhelming, and the staging by his campaign — particularly the lime Jell-O green screen that shone behind McCain during the beginning of the speech, only to turn to a color that at least to the television viewer might be described as blue raspberry — was similarly unsuccessful.

McCain certainly tried to embrace the “change” label. Will it work for a candidate who hugged George W. Bush both figuratively and literally in recent years, voting at least 90 percent of the time for the most unpopular President in the history of polling? Color me unimpressed. But we shall wait and see…

Conservative Josh Trevino has another post (written from the convention floor) that needs to be read in full. Here’s just a small part of it:

McCain’s speech was more than a mere declaration of independence. It was, ever so subtly, a rebuke to the party that rejected him eight years past. “We lost the trust of the American people when some Republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption,” he said, “We lost their trust when rather than reform government, both parties made it bigger … We lost their trust when we valued our power over our principles.” Those who listened understood. A McCain Administration in the past eight years would not have led the party to the disasters of the present. A McCain Administration in the past eight years would not have had Republicans apologizing for their (absent) standard-bearer. Now is the chance to make amends. Now is the second chance to get it right.

In making this speech this evening, John McCain accomplished so much more than Barack Obama did in Denver last week. McCain, tonight, mentioned Obama six times. Obama, last week, mentioned McCain twenty-five times. Obama lamented America’s failures. McCain called upon America’s greatness. Obama declared, “If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament and judgment to serve as the next commander-in-chief, that’s a debate I’m ready to have.” John McCain won that debate, not by replying directly, but with the stirring example of his own life. Barack Obama is focused upon John McCain, and John McCain is focused upon — well, America.

Perhaps most important, John McCain set forth the choice between the parties in stark either/or terms, with only the common ground of our American allegiance between them. That the Republican option in the comparisons was not the George W. Bush option was, as they say, a feature, not a bug.

And another must read from the LA Time’s mega-blogger Andrew Malcolm. Some excerpts:

McCain’s 53-minute remarks, interrupted both by applause and three protestors, were all about Country First, the week’s theme. But also not surprising for a 72-year-old ex-pilot blown out of the sky 40 years ago by a missile the size of a phone pole. With numerous broken bones, he had 66 months and countless beatings to think about life and his country.

“I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else’s,” McCain admitted.

It was one of the most heartfelt — and powerful — lines from a man who like many of his generation genuinely does not like to talk about himself, especially if it involves war. But he did tonight, telling….

…his story in more detail than he does when campaigning. It was touching and effective.

Near the end, McCain really got into it. So did the crowd. Its members began cheering, drowning him out, as if pushing him forward.

His rhetorical cadence increased. McCain continued through the closing paragraphs of his speech, moving his badly-mended arms back and forth and back and forth in that weirdly wooden way that still looks painful.

“If you find faults with our country,” McCain urged, “make it a better one. If you’re disappointed with the mistakes of government, join its ranks and work to correct them.”

Then, he really got going. “Fight for what’s right with our country…Fight for the ideals and character of a free people…Fight for our children’s future. Fight for justice and opportunity for all.”

The crowd loved it. And him. And the confetti came. And the red, white and blue balloons by the thousands.

Earlier in the speech, though it was a different story. McCain was no Sarah Palin, the 44-year-old mother of five who thrilled the crowd last night with her smalltown family story and sharp jibes at the Democratic ticket. McCain’s early delivery was herky-jerky, mechanical. He hit the economy hard, taking only eight paragraphs to identify with the afflicted….

Asymmetric Opinion gives 10 points in a list on McCain’s speech and concludes:

The whole convention’s purpose was to remind the people that they have a choice between a dedicated public servant and legitimate hero and, essentially, a zero. Republicans to nation: “Are you crazy, America? The choice is obvious!”

–Open Left’s Matt Stoller includes some live blogging which includes this:

… McCain is talking about how he was worked over by his captors and how his brother POWs were there for him and encouraged him to fight for his country.

… This is boring. Bring back Palin!

… The crowd is cheering but their heart isn’t in it. Not enough hatred towards Democrats and coded racial slurs. Bring back Palin!

Booman Tribune:

He’s the worst orator I’ve ever seen win a nomination of a major party. Dan Quayle gave much better speeches. Lloyd Bentsen gave better speeches. Joe Lieberman gave better speeches. Ralph Nader gives a better speech. John McCain is terrible and he’s boring. I had to watch some of the post-debate coverage to even learn that he allegedly broke with the Bush administration and his colleagues in the Capitol Building. I had the sound on during his speech. I was looking at the screen. I didn’t absorb any message at all except that John McCain was once captured in a war and that he suffered terribly as a result. He didn’t even manage to offend me. He didn’t even manage to make me feel uncomfortable. He was simply there…on the screen…mouthing words that signified nothing.

Doc Strangelove:

John McCain gave a halting, uninspired, and pedestrian speech tonight. He delivered the speech because he had to. It was expected of him. But the Maverick could not marry the right wing of his party tonight. They never liked each other, and tonight the separation was final.

In forcing the selection of Sarah Palin on the ticket upon John McCain, the religious ideologues who now own the Republican party had taken charge of the presidential campaign. Yesterday they declared, through Sarah Palin, their intention to wage a culture war. But tonight it became apparent that John McCain was the first casualty of that war. His party had moved past him. They humiliated him in front of millions by reserving the two biggest cheers of the night for Sarah Palin, the number two on the Republican ticket - their chosen culture warrior.

Perhaps, in the end, tonight’s speech was a salute to an old soldier. John McCain has demonstrated great courage in his life - he has proven his character beyond doubt. But the presidency is not a lifetime award for a life lived valiantly - the presidency is a job for today, not a reward for the past. So, as his party looks past him to wage their coming culture war, John McCain’s own candidacy for the presidency will be sacrificed. John McCain’s nominating Convention was used to launch the culture war - at the expense of his candidacy. The best outcome for the culture warriors is a defeat in 2008, and a revamped campaign in 2012 with their man or woman at the top of the ticket.

Mark Nickolas’ Blog has some of truly strong negative media reaction to the speech. A tiny taste:

Update (11:50 pm ET): Interesting…just found a reference by Michael Gerson on NPR’s website last week where he said “If you do a mediocre convention speech, you may never get to give an inaugural speech.” That must be why he slammed the speech. And he’s right.

Update (11:43 pm ET): Jeff Toobin just called it the worst speech ever from a presidential nominee. Anderson Cooper said they must have sent all the speechwriters over to Palin’s room for the last week.

Political Wire (a great political site):

However, the most striking thing about the speech was the lack of specifics of what he wants to do as president. When Obama was criticized for not talking specifics, he made sure to dedicate a large part of his acceptance speech to specifics. A McCain presidency seems to be mostly about his character and a few tired Republican ideas, such as school choice, cutting foreign aid and the new favorite, “drill, baby, drill.”\

…But no matter the content, McCain had serious delivery problems with this speech. Starting with the awful lime green background (that later turned to blue) and continuing through McCain’s difficulties reading from the teleprompter, the speech was very disjointed and hard to follow. To top it off, the crowd reaction at the end of the speech seemed forced and staged, almost like delegates were reacting to flashing “applause” signs at the side of the stage.

Overall, it was a very mediocre performance. I’m not sure it got the job done.

Michelle Malkin:

My bottom line on the speech:

McCain is McCain. He was who he’s always been tonight: a war hero with an unabashed love of country who acknowledges his flaws, gives too much benefit of the doubt to his political opponents, and bends over backwards to reach out to the other side of the aisle in misguidedly mistaking partisanship for evil. But he’s also a man who has taken many risks, desires victory over surrender in the War on Terror, and, after dissing the GOP base time and again, stands beside a vice presidential nominee who breathes new life and hope into grass-roots, outside-the-Beltway conservatism.

Angry Democrat at the Daily Kos thinks the speech was good for the Democrats and gives three reasons why:

Here is why McCain’s speech is good news for our side.

1. We finally have a candidate who can define the opposition before the other side define’s him. Chaining McCain to Bush has worked, which is why McCain had to repudiate much of Bush’s record. I hope Obama will continue to define McCain first.

2. McCain tacitly admitted that his party has not governed well the last 8 years. This now enables him, in theory, to run against Bush’s record rather than on Bush’s record. This also risks pissing off the substantial portion of the Republican base who feel Bush has done a good job. All we have to do now to counter is point out that John McCain and the Republicans have had 8 years to get things right, and have screwed things up royally. And here’s the kicker…how can America trust the people who caused the problems to fix them? That should be an easy sell to the American people.

3. McCain is playing on Obama’s turf, claiming he is the one that can bring change to Washington. This means we have won the battle over the change issue. John McCain has given up on whatever message he was trying to convey and is answering our message for change…with..our message for change. And again this will be easy to counter, we simply have to point out that Mccain and the Republicans had 8 years to get things right, they blew it, and that they are not credible change agents.

  • elrod
    Great roundup Joe!

    I didn't watch. I was literally too bored to watch it. My wife and I flipped over to it in the beginning, saw a boring vague speech with a hideous green backdrop, watched some excitement over a protester, and then a return to an ugly blue background. We were bored and watched "Almost Famous" instead.

    It doesn't sound like the rest of the speech was much better.

    It was vaguely bi-partisan, which is more appealing than the manure spread by Giuliani and Palin last night. But it had no passion and seemed to deflate the momentum built after yesterday.
  • Leonidas
    I thought it was a winning speech, McCain is not a great orator, but he took firm control of the party tonight. With the Sarah Palin choice and speech shoring up conservative support he was able to finally get back to focusing more on the real McCain. He wasn't as "slick" as Obama but he didn't sound elitist either, he sounded like one of us, he was in the middle of the crowd tonight and in the middle of America, not above it.

    He made a good case for the difference between himself and Obama, Obama is a man who wants to lead the nation, McCain is a man who wants to serve it.
  • elrod
    Leonidas,
    The word "elitist" is the most tired and abused word in our political vocabulary. It's vintage Nixonland and it always carried a tone of anti-Semitism; anti-intellectuals used to gripe about Jewish elitists, but after the 1950s dropped the "Jewish" part while keeping the image intact.

    Oh, and don't we want a President to lead?
  • Rambie
    It was a good speech and did sound like the McCain of 2000 more than the McCain of today. The problem is it was such a disconnect from the last two nights of the convention that I have a hard time believing that McCain can make the changes he talked about.
  • StockBoySF
    elrod, too bad you didn't stick around to watch it. I have to admit I actually dozed the first 10 or 15 minutes. I think it WAS the green background that did it. When I finally came back to my senses there was a blue background (and sometimes a flag waving on the screen... I couldn't help but ask myself if the GOP was too cheap to buy an actual flag and put it on the stage). At any rate, I would have found your comments on it to be interesting, as I always do.

    The rest of the speech was better and I was actually shouting at the TV at certain times (I guess by "better" I mean the rest of the speech definitely had my attention). I think the speech did what was necessary- for McCain to fire up the base.

    Going back to my shouting at the TV bit..... I did that when McCain was talking about "government doesn't make choices for you, it works to make sure you it stays out of your life"..... As I've posted on here before, I strongly believe the government SHOULD stay out of the people's lives and let us make our own decisions. Yet I can't help but think of all the pandering politicians, including McCain, who will turn one American against another (I'm thinking of Terry Schiavo, constitutional bans to limit certain people's rights, pro-life, etc.) for political gain. McCain's meddling in my personal life (not directly, but the policies he supports) is what gets to me and what makes me so angry at his hypocrisy. His words sound great, it's what we all believe, but they only work with McCain presidency if you actually have the same values and beliefs that McCain has.

    I also couldn't help but think that McCain is a man of war.... He talked about his military service. He also talked about knowing how the military works and how to stand up to our enemies (all in the same passage and in context to Russia invading Georgia). He was scary.

    The end of the speech, also inspiring to the entire audience in the auditorium and many viewers, I'm sure I thought was scary... again because he his words ring so hollow to me. They sounded great but his positions and what he wants to fight for is not what I want.

    I may not agree with everything Obama says, but at least Obama wants to compromise so we can work together. As Obama said in one of his speeches (paraphrasing), "We may not agree on the second amendment to the US Constitution, but surely we can agree to keep military guns out of the hands of criminals." And such other statements by Obama really make me like him. McCain, by contrast (at Warren's Faith Forum) thundered "I'm pro-life and I'll be a pro-life president". Again paraphrasing but that's what he said. Such hardline positions (and all of McCain's positions seem to be hardline) do not allow for discussion on the issue. McCain wants what he wants and he knows how to fight to achieve victory.

    So while McCain claims he "fights for Americans" (he said that tonight) what he really means is that he fights for Americans who believe in the same things he does.

    So that's what I fins so scary about McCain... his hardline positions that he wants to win without discussion... he claims he wants to change Washington, but if he will only accept things his way and not allow compromise, then he can't bring change. He seems to think that there is a "one size fits all" approach to life.
  • elrod
    Yeah, I suppose I should have watched it. I actually find his mannerisms a bit uncomfortable up there. I don't mind hearing him speak in an interview setting though.

    It is so disjointed overall. Running on change...when you're own party is in power? Well then how? The policy was GOP boilerplate, based on the text. If it's all about supporting Democratic plans, then why should we elect you and not a real Democrat?
  • pacatrue
    Hey, I get to agree with Leo for a change. My impression was also that Palin has liberated McCain a little bit. When it was just him, he was attempting to be both a centrist and a conservative. With Palin making conservatives salivate, he can concentrate just on the first part.
  • Leonidas
    Elrod,
    Since you object to the word "elitist" being overused try "snob" instead, if that doesn't work for you try "arrogant".

    As for wanting a president to lead, sure but if he leads us the wrong way it doesn't do much good, George Bush proved that, he was another man who wanted to lead the country instead of to serve it. Obama has that same arrogance.

    I quote McCain's speech to show you he understands this Obama shortcoming:

    "I don't mind a good fight. For reasons known only to God, I've had quite a few tough ones in my life. But I learned an important lesson along the way: In the end, it matters less that you can fight. What you fight for is the real test."
  • CStanley
    elrod: suddenly divided government has no value in your estimation? The hugely unpopular current Congress isn't part of the problem? And if it is, you see no reason that people would want to put someone of the opposition party in, who is amenable to some moderately progressive agenda items, but is vowing to fight corruption?
  • CStanley
    Stockboy- you write of concern about how McCain speaks, in that he's firmly rooted in certain positions like the prolife position. Yet when you look at each man's record, Obama is the one who is more extreme on abortion (his legislative record is to the left of most of his own party, having shown more concern for protecting a woman's right to choose abortion in all cases than he even had for the life of babies who are actually born when abortions fail.) If the actions of the men don't match the rhetoric, in terms of how willing they are to compromise, then why do you trust the words instead of the deeds?

    Obama's only record on bipartisanship involves some issues on which most people agree; as McCain said last night, he has the scars from real bipartisan fights, when he's bucked his own party on issues to do what he felt was right.
  • pacatrue
    Leo said: I quote McCain's speech to show you he understands this Obama shortcoming:

    "I don't mind a good fight. For reasons known only to God, I've had quite a few tough ones in my life. But I learned an important lesson along the way: In the end, it matters less that you can fight. What you fight for is the real test."

    He is right and this is exactly why I cannot vote for McCain. I value experience, but the usefulness of experience is how it helps you reach your goals. Unfortunately, I disagree with 80% of McCain's goals, and so his experience only helps make things worse (in my opinion). So, yes, the real test is in what you fight for. McCain has been displaying far too much interest in goals of war mongering, black and white foreign relations, supporting same sex marriage amendments, limited interest in alternative energy, and much more.

    By the way, eltitist, snob, and arrogant are simple name calling, based upon nothing, other than some random personal dislike. But have at it. That way I can copy that up next time you get angry at someone else name-calling McCain or Palin. ("Oh, but it's a simple fact that he's a snob because I heard he may or may not like arugula lettuce. And you can see it on his face." Sigh.)
  • pacatrue
    It's been discussed a million times, but why not one more. Obama and McCain have very different approaches to bipartisanship, both of which have merits. McCain has particular issues he cares about and when they don't match his own party, he will periodically reach across the aisle, fighting to get his own idea implemented. Obama's going to generally advocate "liberal" positions, but he's practically oriented at accomplishing them. If his goal is to expand health care, he will consider ideas for doing so from across the aisle, though the goal will remain a "liberal" one of expanding health care coverage. If he wants to expand solar thermal energy and needs to do offshore drilling to make the deal, he will make the deal. One model of bipartisanship is searching for people to get your ideas implemented (McCain); the other is compromise and pragmatism to get mostly liberal ideas implemented (Obama).

    At least that's my take on the two men. It's got problems. For instance, Obama's interest in faith-based programs is McCain-esque in that it's not a typical Democratic position right now.
  • CStanley
    I disagree with 80% of McCain's goals

    Seriously? I find that hard to believe. I'm quite conservative and disagree with a lot of Obama's plans, but I wouldn't even put my level of discordance with him nearly that high.

    Of course, when I see that you are then attributing things to McCain as his 'goals' which are nonsensical (he has the 'goal' of warmongering and black and white foreign relations? That's absurd) then I guess I can see why you are putting your disagreement level so high. I think it would be far more accurate to say that you believe that his approach will result in certain negative things, rather than to say that you disagree with his goals. For instance, I agree with McCain's assessment that some of Obama's plans will lead to loss of jobs- but I certainly wouldn't say that Obama has the goal of increasing unemployment!
  • CStanley
    And paca, it's McCain who supports a broader range of alternative energy sources, since his plan includes the building of new nuclear plants. You could certainly argue that Obama has a more specific plan for largescale investment in certain alternative fuel sources, but McCain's views on energy are actually broader.

    On the styles of bipartisanship, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. What you praise in Obama's style is a sham as far as I'm concerned- that's not compromise, that's coapting the good ideas of the other party as long as they're compatible with your own party's plans, and then claiming credit for them (of course, Obama has a record of that, too, as when he steps in before a news conference and claims that he worked on a bipartisan bill when he really had little to do with it.)

    I felt that McCain made an excellent point last night- that the politicians in Washington need to stop worrying about who gets credit for solving problems, and just focus on getting the job done. I believe his record indicates that he really means it, too.
  • Personally I liked McCain's speech much more than Palin's. See here's my issue: I've decided to not vote "third party protest" this presidential election. Obama's and McCain's speeches made me respect and like them more. Of course, I have strong positive feelings towards Obama because I'm black and the history that has and continues to be made. BUT I have to be honest, McCain's speech swayed me more than I thought it would. I like how classy he was towards Obama while laying out Obama's weaknesses without being all strident about it like Palin was (and "strident" is a unisex word friends). Now If we could really have some good debates and town halls between now and November (BOB BARR FOR THE DEBATES)...
  • pacatrue
    Hi, CStanley, you are right in your re-phrasing of the goals for war mongering. : ) I disagree so strongly with his views on the justification for the Iraq invasion that I tried to finagle it into my rhetoric. You are correct there. And, yes, I'm sure 80% is the wrong number. I was trying to show a majority disagreement but with some agreement. I'll go with 65% if needed. 58%?

    We will have to agree to disagree on bipartisanship, it sounds like. What you view as a sham, I view as the best way to govern. Very likely I expressed it poorly since your last paragraph talks about the problem of taking credit. What I have in mind is working with people who have all sorts of ideas to find the best plan to accomplish goals. What if he were to work on education reform and ideas of vouchers came up as well as, say, programs to reduce classroom size and a graduation retention program which are federally funded. What happens today is that Republicans scream, "Vouchers!" and Democrats scream "No, increase funding!" And they scream and nothing ever happens. The only thing they can take credit for is stopping the bad guy from implementing their horrible plan. The children of course then receive no help.

    A decent idea to get around nothing happening would be to pilot models of each program in different places for two years and re-assess. Would that be a sham and co-opting others ideas or would that be seeking common ground to get something done? I choose the latter.

    A different idea I did a guest post on a year or two ago was about fighting poverty by combining tax incentive ideas, which at least once were the primary method that Republicans offered, with things like educational assistance and increase community policing, which Dems often favor. Instead of debating which of these is the best, forever, try using both, but use them for a limited area... Again, is that stealing or finding solutions? (Of course, that particular idea may be lousy; the point is to implement the best ideas you can find no matter which party came up with them.)
  • Manchester2
    The news that came out of the GOP convention can be summarized in one line:

    CONSERVATIVES FIRED UP

    And that renewed zeal has one cause: Sarah Palin. While we're at it, don't think for one minute that the images of Palin family solidarity, even through personal crises, won't resonate with the average voter.

    As for McCain, expect more of the "We blew it, but we will change" rhetoric. It's endearing, and appeals to most people's inclination to give others a second chance.

    Bottom line? Americans understand that having both the legislative and the executive under one party's control is not in the nation's best interest, period. It's too strong a temptation to corruption for the party that controls both the legislative and executive levers of power.

    I wonder how history might have been different if the Dems controlled Congress in 2000 and President Bush had been forced to work with them in the same way he'd worked with the Democratically controlled legislature in Texas?

    As for Bob Barr: Yikes! No thanks, T_Steel.
  • jchem
    What I found interesting was McCain's willingness to say that he would bring Democrats and Independents into his administration. The crowd didn't seem too thrilled by that. On my way to work this morning I listened to NPR interviewing some delegates who said they didn't like that either. I'm a bit uncertain if this is something that McCain really feels that he can accomplish. He may well want to have somewhat of a bipartisan admin, but I honestly don't think the powers that be in his party would go for it. I get the impression that his party has more influence on him than he would like. He wanted Lieberman, but that almost led to a revolt, so he caved and settled for someone who certainly excited the base.

    On a side note, what point was made by the crowd going through their "USA" chants whenever protestors appeared?
  • CStanley
    Paca- I don't actually disagree with you much on the bipartisan concept of combining approaches that come from right and left. I do think that it's not always possible because sometimes the two approaches are mutually exclusive- but where a blend is possible, it should be done, if the sum of the parts can be reasonably assumed to produce positive results.

    What I disagree with you on is the extent to which Obama will do that on hard issues. I have seen some people cite evidence of his early experience in the state legislature, where he was able to develop some consensus among people who'd previously disagreed. But those local issues generally aren't ideological- plus, there really isn't much of a conservative contingency in Chicago so you're basically talking about compromise between the far left and the moderate left, or different factions of the Democratic party (I see that situation as the mirror image of GWB in Texas, working with moderate Democrats- and we all know how that worked out when he got to DC.) I haven't really seen any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle to Republicans, except where it was the Republicans who were breaking with their own party.
  • DLS
    There is nothing wrong with correct use of the word "elitist"; discomfort here as elsewhere on the Left is correctly due to its being used correctly, more closely than the lefties would like.

    McCain gave a good speech. (There was no guarantee of this and we didn't know what to expect.) He successfully ended the convention on a high note, boosting the GOP's momentum, and now we have to wait a week or longer to see the afterglow subside (and the idiocy from the Left such as I already heard on the Stephanie Miller show this morning, and have seen in more demented post-speech postings on this site, for example) subside and interest in McCain-Palin be "rebalanced" at a new natural level with respect to Obama-Biden (interest in which will now resume).
  • DLS
    "McCain's willingness to say that he would bring Democrats and Independents into his administration. The crowd didn't seem too thrilled by that"

    Remember that the GOP has been dysfunctional and is on the defensive this year. Many conservatives and Republicans don't like "Juan McCain's" amnesty moves, no more than McCain's defiance of conservatives and the GOP on certain issues from time to time (or just limelight seeking, which may have paid off at least to the point of nomination for GOP Presidential candidate as of this week). McCain has never been a very appealing candidate and I consider him still to be dull and weak (I had no idea how well or poorly he would have spoken last night; he did surprisingly well). The audience was _surprisingly_ united -- to me last night this was union at a surreal level. All the dissension and controversy frequently associated with McCain was absent -- deliberate denial, for the election's sake. It's perfectly understandable: at least a Republican of some kind, at least nominal (RINO), will be in the White House rather than a Democrat. That, and of course the Palin popularity that really has revitalized the party this week, is what is at issue.
  • pacatrue
    I can't argue with you, CStanley, on the exact details of his record. I wish I could and it's a fault that I don't know it in great detail. (Part of the reason is that Obama was not necessarily my favorite choice, but instead the best of who I had left.) My comment is mostly based on the notion that I think at heart Obama is a policy wonk. He's just a wonk who gives good speeches and has some vision. But in the end, what he would like to do is sit down with a bunch of people and design cool programs to help people. I actually like this overall, but it could limit him, because he might always think of a new cool program to solve a problem. But sometimes the govt isn't the one who should be involved at all.

    Anyway, despite my botching the experience goal thing earlier, I hope the point is clear. Experience is like a a high quality engine pulling a train. Its function is to get you somewhere. If my hopes for the nation are represented by Georgia on a map, then McCain's headed toward Texas. No matter how excellent the train is, that's not where I wanted to go.
  • Rudi
    CS - You say Obama only dealt with Chicago politician at the Illinios state house. What about Peroria, Springfield, Decatur and Urbana? While a majority of the urban areas may be Democrats, the rural south of the stat isn't so.
  • pacatrue
    DLS said, "There is nothing wrong with correct use of the word "elitist"; discomfort here as elsewhere on the Left is correctly due to its being used correctly, more closely than the lefties would like."

    Actually, I disagree. Elitist is being used entirely as a personal smear here. There's no evidence that Obama doesn't understand what goes on in everyday life. There's no evidence that he is particularly inept at knowing many of their troubles. There's no evidence that he doesn't care about others. Just like McCain, he's spent the last 20 years in various legislative venues, typically designing programs to help those people he supposedly doesn't understand. Elitist is being used as a cultural attack. Let's pretend he eats the wrong foods, lives in the wrong cities, doesn't watch the right sports.... I know someone's going to pull out the "clinging" line, but that is not evidence of much of anything. If you take one sentence out of the man's entire life, it sounds oh so meaningful and revealing. But you then have to disregard everything else about the man to make it work. It's only revealing if you already believe what it's supposed to reveal. It's the same thing people were doing with the Palin/Trig pregnancy rumor: pull out 2 or 3 facts and ignore all the others or squeeze and push them to make it fit your favorite story.
  • jchem
    "at least a Republican of some kind, at least nominal (RINO), will be in the White House rather than a Democrat."

    Somehow DLS, I doubt this would fly with roughly 70% (or more) of the country who feel that we're on the wrong track.
  • CStanley
    What about them, Rudi? Do you have any evidence that Obama compromised with any of the more conservative legislators on any issue?
  • StockBoySF
    CStanley, sorry didn't reply yesterday on this...

    You wrote, "Stockboy- you write of concern about how McCain speaks, in that he's firmly rooted in certain positions like the prolife position. Yet when you look at each man's record, Obama is the one who is more extreme on abortion..."

    On the issue of abortion Obama's pro-choice position leaves the decision on whether or not to have an abortion in the hands of the woman, doctor, pastro, family, etc. McCain's position would make abortion illegal, giving no one a choice. When abortion is illegal the rich will fly off to other countries to have it done and the poor will use coat hangers, putting their own lives at risk.

    I've posted on here several times before that I'm pro-life, but the decision should be in the hands of the woman. I think any abortion is wrong, but the decision isn't mine to make for anyone else.

    You also said, "If the actions of the men don't match the rhetoric, in terms of how willing they are to compromise, then why do you trust the words instead of the deeds?" Again, with regards to abortion, Obama supports pro-choice. He isn't forcing anyone to actually have an abortion who doesn't want it. i think that's compromise. Just like the right to guns.... he has reached out his hand to have a dialogue with the pro-gun people. Obama knows that if he wants to keep military weapons out of the hands of criminals he will need bipartisan support because many lawmakers will not want anything to do with passing legislation restricting guns to criminals....
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