Comments on: ‘A Way Out of the Georgia Crisis for Russia and the West’: Le Figaro http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:18:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Pages tagged "georgia" http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/comment-page-1/#comment-114458 Pages tagged "georgia" Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:21:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/nicolas-sarkozy/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/#comment-114458 [...] bookmarks tagged georgia ‘A Way Out of the Georgia Crisis for Russia and ... saved by 2 others     vilan95 bookmarked on 09/05/08 | [...] [...] bookmarks tagged georgia ‘A Way Out of the Georgia Crisis for Russia and … saved by 2 others     vilan95 bookmarked on 09/05/08 | [...]

]]> By: nepr http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/comment-page-1/#comment-115248 nepr Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:06:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/nicolas-sarkozy/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/#comment-115248 The last thing that Russia, or any of the nation-state oil producers want is for the West to really start looking at alternative energy as a national security issue. That's why I think Russia's recent aggressiveness amounts to daring the West to do this; another kind of "cold war", as if they hadn't been beaten, pretty easily, though it took a while, in the last one. The bet seems to be that Western politicians won't dare inflict any discomfort on their masses, but that will only be true as long as Russia doesn't appear frightening. I can see that this could be a good thing for us, in the West. I think this showdown between fossils and renewables is inevitable; so the sooner we get on with it, the better. The last thing that Russia, or any of the nation-state oil producers want is for the West to really start looking at alternative energy as a national security issue. That's why I think Russia's recent aggressiveness amounts to daring the West to do this; another kind of “cold war”, as if they hadn't been beaten, pretty easily, though it took a while, in the last one. The bet seems to be that Western politicians won't dare inflict any discomfort on their masses, but that will only be true as long as Russia doesn't appear frightening. I can see that this could be a good thing for us, in the West. I think this showdown between fossils and renewables is inevitable; so the sooner we get on with it, the better.

]]> By: GreenDreams http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/comment-page-1/#comment-115219 GreenDreams Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:41:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/nicolas-sarkozy/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/#comment-115219 Agree, Silhouette. Russia controls a big part of supplying oil to Europe. The pipeline through Georgia was built specifically to undermine that. After grabbing the Iraqi oil, which Russia, China and France were negotiating for, now the US, er... Georgia tries a sneaky non-Russian route to cut into their European oil business. Oh yeah, I seem to recall Russia's interest in Afghanistan had something to do with a pipeline too.<br><br>I agree on the alternative energy part too. Though some "energy companies" are doing some good things, there's a world of difference between their new sunny, windy TV ads and their financial maneuvering to buy political power, steer government handouts their way and short circuit regulation of any kind. Agree, Silhouette. Russia controls a big part of supplying oil to Europe. The pipeline through Georgia was built specifically to undermine that. After grabbing the Iraqi oil, which Russia, China and France were negotiating for, now the US, er… Georgia tries a sneaky non-Russian route to cut into their European oil business. Oh yeah, I seem to recall Russia's interest in Afghanistan had something to do with a pipeline too.

I agree on the alternative energy part too. Though some “energy companies” are doing some good things, there's a world of difference between their new sunny, windy TV ads and their financial maneuvering to buy political power, steer government handouts their way and short circuit regulation of any kind.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/comment-page-1/#comment-115216 Silhouette Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:19:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/nicolas-sarkozy/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/#comment-115216 <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_5_60/ai_65133031">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_...</a><br><br>If you want to get to the source of the woes in Georgia and how it happened in the first place.<br><br>********<br>By the late 1970s, oil companies had bought out many of the patents for photovoltaic cells, and corporate giants like Atlantic Richfield, Amoco, Exxon, and Mobil took control of solar power companies. This trend would lead Alfred Dougherty, former director of the Federal Trade Commission's bureau of competition to warn, "If the oil companies control substantial amounts of substitute fuels ... they may slow the pace of production of alternative fuels in order to protect the value of their oil and gas reserves." Edwin Rothschild, a spokesperson for the Citizen Energy Labor Coalition, was concerned that the big oil companies "see solar power as a competing source of energy, and they want to control it and slow it down." However, ownership of solar technology by big oil was only the first step in the methodical dismantling of the alternative energy renaissance.<br>*********<br><br>Yeah, that "slow it down" part. Remember that when you're watching all these commericals about how "sure, alternatives are where we're going...but we just don't have the technology right now for widescale implementation, so we need a bridge over with oil..."<br><br>Correct, we don't have the technology right now. We had it thirty-five years ago...<br><br>They know this isn't the seventies anymore and they cannot buy out the competition...the world has had these technologies hugely supplimenting their countries for too long...and this damned internet makes smokescreening impossible...so they admit we "need to bridge" but still continue to make putting a pipe in the ground for steam, or setting up solar panels seem like some way far-out sci-fi fantasy. <br><br>But costly complex oil platforms in rough and unpredictable seas? Risky superstructured nuclear plants? Sure, we can have those in next week.. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_…

If you want to get to the source of the woes in Georgia and how it happened in the first place.

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By the late 1970s, oil companies had bought out many of the patents for photovoltaic cells, and corporate giants like Atlantic Richfield, Amoco, Exxon, and Mobil took control of solar power companies. This trend would lead Alfred Dougherty, former director of the Federal Trade Commission's bureau of competition to warn, “If the oil companies control substantial amounts of substitute fuels … they may slow the pace of production of alternative fuels in order to protect the value of their oil and gas reserves.” Edwin Rothschild, a spokesperson for the Citizen Energy Labor Coalition, was concerned that the big oil companies “see solar power as a competing source of energy, and they want to control it and slow it down.” However, ownership of solar technology by big oil was only the first step in the methodical dismantling of the alternative energy renaissance.
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Yeah, that “slow it down” part. Remember that when you're watching all these commericals about how “sure, alternatives are where we're going…but we just don't have the technology right now for widescale implementation, so we need a bridge over with oil…”

Correct, we don't have the technology right now. We had it thirty-five years ago…

They know this isn't the seventies anymore and they cannot buy out the competition…the world has had these technologies hugely supplimenting their countries for too long…and this damned internet makes smokescreening impossible…so they admit we “need to bridge” but still continue to make putting a pipe in the ground for steam, or setting up solar panels seem like some way far-out sci-fi fantasy.

But costly complex oil platforms in rough and unpredictable seas? Risky superstructured nuclear plants? Sure, we can have those in next week..

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/comment-page-1/#comment-115188 Silhouette Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:01:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/nicolas-sarkozy/22427/a-way-out-of-the-georgia-crisis-for-russia-and-the-west-le-figaro/#comment-115188 The situation in Georgia is a direct result of our being in Iraq. Period.<br><br>The Russians are pissed off that BigOil quite blatantly siezed one of the largest remaining petrolium reserves in the world for our puppets to control. So they did the next most logical thing: cut off the outlets from that supply. Iran will follow on the seaway outlets. <br><br>What did we expect? A warm appaluse and a pat on the back? We're in RUSSIA'S former territory installing puppets and acting like nothing's up. Russia folks....not Iraq or Mexico or Panama...friggin' Russia!<br>Some Americans I swear to God are like arrogent men walking around in a mine field with blindfolds on. Each time there's an explosion they cry foul as if it was the most unexpected and worst thing in the world. <br><br>WTF? <br><br>I think it's about time to withdraw our troops and big plans for oil monopolies in the Middle East and tiptoe backwards back home quietly to implement alternatives to this situation. Otherwise this story will not have a happy ending. Russia may just decide to btich-slap us back to the Western Hemisphere...the only place we belong....if we're lucky..<br><br>You might have noticed...the Russians don't fiddle around.. The situation in Georgia is a direct result of our being in Iraq. Period.

The Russians are pissed off that BigOil quite blatantly siezed one of the largest remaining petrolium reserves in the world for our puppets to control. So they did the next most logical thing: cut off the outlets from that supply. Iran will follow on the seaway outlets.

What did we expect? A warm appaluse and a pat on the back? We're in RUSSIA'S former territory installing puppets and acting like nothing's up. Russia folks….not Iraq or Mexico or Panama…friggin' Russia!
Some Americans I swear to God are like arrogent men walking around in a mine field with blindfolds on. Each time there's an explosion they cry foul as if it was the most unexpected and worst thing in the world.

WTF?

I think it's about time to withdraw our troops and big plans for oil monopolies in the Middle East and tiptoe backwards back home quietly to implement alternatives to this situation. Otherwise this story will not have a happy ending. Russia may just decide to btich-slap us back to the Western Hemisphere…the only place we belong….if we're lucky..

You might have noticed…the Russians don't fiddle around..

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