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Hidden Dissent Over Palin in the GOP Ranks?

One of the often annoying aspects of MSNBC’s production team is their cutaways following news segments as they go to commercial. They will usually cut to some sort of external panning shot, bring up some music and stay on that for an uncomfortably long time before actually cutting away. This habit wound up reaping some unexpected rewards recently, as NBC Political News Director Chuck Todd was interviewing a panel which included conservative columnist Peggy Noonan. During the panel discussion Noonan had some very complimentary things to say about Sarah Palin. During the cutaway scene, however, their mics were left open and Peggy’s tune changed a bit.

CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this — excuse me– political bullshit about narratives –

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that’s not where they live and it’s not what they’re good at, they blow it.

Later, Noonan wrote a column clarifying some other comments she made during the open mic sequence, but she didn’t seem to back down at all from the “not most qualified” and “narrative” concepts. I have to wonder if there isn’t a lot more of this beneath the surface among the GOP. Obviously nobody can afford to say it out loud, since Palin is clearly going to be the final pick and that train seems to have left the station.

During the Alaska Governor’s speech last night, while the 110% red meat content drew a raving response from the audience, that feeling was only reinforced. The attack dog job is a difficult high wire act for anyone to pull off well, but Palin clearly seems to lack the native instinct for it. Going after the opponent’s positions on the issues, flip flops, experience, and doing so aggressively is fine. However, Palin allowed her speechwriters to go several bridges too far and set them on fire behind her. Making fun of “community organizers” and pretending to not even know what the term means (to the howling, approving laughter of the assembled base) is absolutely going to backfire on Main Street, USA. If she lacks the restraint to recognize those boundary lines on her own, Palin is going to have a very difficult time of it during press interviews (assuming we are ever allowed to get any) and particularly in her debate against Joe Biden.

We’ll need three or four days to see how the polls respond to all of this, but it will certainly be interesting. Incidentally, in the six days since Palin was named, Gallup has seen a decline in swing voters on the face with Obama solidifying his lead, which has seen him climb back up to or near 50% since being virtually tied with McCain during the Democratic convention. The Palin pick may have done some work to solidify the base, but thus far it doesn’t seem to be helping McCain at all in the contested middle of the spectrum.

  • Silhouette
    Good, the democratic ticket is ahead. Let's put this pony three furlongs in front by focusing on issues instead of beauty contests and we might actually pull this thing off..

    The middle is cynical, like me. We're tired of the pageants. We want real solutions.
  • jwest
    Jazz,

    I realize this is a sore spot with a few of the authors here, but the truth is that “community organizer” is a uniquely liberal concept and vocation.

    Average Americans have never heard of community organizers. The name invokes a decidedly inner-city, welfare, socialist theme, so that people who are unfamiliar with the actual definition will have an instant revulsion to it.

    If you’re looking for a mass blowback from the country on republicans laughing at Obama’s time as a community organizer, I think you’ll be disappointed.
  • Silhouette
    Yes, your time would be better spent with your "blow-back" mining equipment harvesting the profound angst of broke americans who are infuriated with the oil magnates and how they are gang-raping our economy.

    Just a suggestion.
  • jwest
    Sil,

    Is there some incident of an oil company person touching you in an inappropriate way?

    Perhaps if you share whatever unpleasant experience you’ve had with Mr. Big Oil, we could help you cope better than you are now.

    We’re here for you.
  • jwest,
    You're right. "Average" Americans don't deal with community organizers. Needy Americans do.

    It's not surprising that the Republican party would openly mock those sacrificing their time to help the poor. They could have hardly shown more contempt for them these last 30 years.
  • shaun
    Let's futher define "needy" and note that it doesn't merely take in the poor.

    In my family and extended family alone, there are/have been community volunteers and organizers who have staffed suicide hotlines that do a brisk business in calls from affluent people in distress and taught English as a second language to PhDs.
  • shaun,
    I think I speak for all Republicans when I say, "F those people" :-)
  • GeorgeSorwell
    I imagine that a lot of people don't know much about Palin. So I doubt one speech will make her wildly popular across the board.

    As Jazz said up there, it will take several days just to get useful polling information. Even that is likely to be preliminary as far as Palin goes.

    At some point, people will remember that John McCain is the guy running for President. Maybe what the Palin selection says about him will be what matters to people.
  • Ricorun
    When I read jwest's comment above (about community organizers) I thought of my mom. Besides being a member of the DAR she was also president of the local chapter of the League of Women Voters. The DAR was basically biddies sitting around a table drinking tea and complaining about all the "outsiders" coming into town (an "outsider" was anyone who had not lived in town for less than a decade or so). It was basically something she had to do because, well, she was married to the "mayor". But the LWV was always putting on events, getting women involved in the political process, and generally trying to empower women.

    I volunteer for a church-based charity that works with poor folks in the area (we also work with our "sister parish" in Mexico that runs an orphanage). So maybe I fit jwest's definition. But I don't think my mom did. Anyway, I thought this was a very well-voiced reply to the notion that community organizers are all a bunch of moonbats (even though it's on DKos).
  • jwest, they don't do Neighborhood Watch or Meals on Wheels or Big Brothers/Big Sisters or YMCA in Middle America? Here I thought their morals were inherently superior.

    The weird thing is that they're in a way counting on community organizers for their policies to work. If you're going to raise military spending and pass a lot of tax cuts simultaneously, it's going to be the community organizers picking up all of the slack.
  • CStanley
    When did community organizer become a catch all term for all volunteer work? I don't think that word means what you guys think it means, but I guess your catch all term works better for the false outrage about the diss in Palin's speech.
  • CStanley,
    Isn't it funny that Palin didn't bother to mention any of her own accomplishments as mayor...
  • Do you think those groups just happen, man? Or perhaps there's some people who help, er, organize members of the, well, community to get them done. Nah, that can't be it. Not narrow or divisive enough.
  • Silhouette
    "Sil,

    Is there some incident of an oil company person touching you in an inappropriate way?

    Perhaps if you share whatever unpleasant experience you’ve had with Mr. Big Oil, we could help you cope better than you are now.

    We’re here for you."~ jwest

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    lol....yes...as a matter of fact. When I was 10 my father was threatened by anonymous phone calls because he was trying to patent a cogeneration system to save on fuel economy in the 70s. The message was "drop your plans or your family gets hurt". Kid you not..

    Besides that? Well yes also recenly at the pumps I was paying over $5 a gallon when rumors abounded that it was "speculators" making the price artificially high (more profits) Also, my government was lied to by BigOil puppets in the current administration to justify killing people to secure control over oil harvesting in the Middle East. (Big Bear Russia put a clamp on the distribution end in Georgia though..which fell to puppet-installation much more gracefully than Iraq..) And of course Iran also knows what the "US" is up to in Iraq, and hence threatened to shut off strategic waterways.

    Bottom line, it's all about corporate monopoly and record profits...all surrounding oil.. We don't belong in the Middle East messing about in sovereign nations. We should have allowed our scientists decades ago to wean us off that situation.....but noooooooo.....

    We had to let it come to this. After all, there were many years of record profits to make before the situation became so dire as to warrant what they're doing now.

    They use "developing alternatives" and "promoting alternatives" as a PR stunt, but in reality their bid is to postpone those activities as lonnnnnggg as possible..

    Being told that "alternatives are still a long way off" by BigOil commercial campaigns is like an extra slap in the face. They weren't a long way off 35 years ago. Now their mantra is pure audacious insult added to injury.
  • jwest
    I’m with CStanley on this.

    “Community Organizer” is not a term for community volunteers. As I said in my comment, this is a uniquely liberal/democrat position which gives people the impression of someone “organizing” in a “community” for the purpose of trading help for votes.

    Regardless of any good work they may accomplish, trying to raise the title “community organizer” to mean something good is a bit of a stretch.
  • From wikipedia:
    "The job focused on helping poor blacks agitate with the city government to get benefits for their communities such as job banks and asbestos removal."

    Man. F that guy. I love asbestos!
  • Silhouette
    Here jwest, read up.

    ******
    "During the period in which financial support for solar energy was growing and a "windfall tax" on the profits of the oil industry was imposed, the proponents of big oil were gathering their own resources on Capitol Hill. Political action committees (PACs) that were affiliated with oil and gas interests began to sprout and, from 1977 to 1979, they contributed over $2.6 million to House and Senate candidates. A report by Alan Berlow and Laura Weiss in Congressional Quarterly concluded that most of the money went to candidates "with strong pro-industry voting." Support for alternative energy took a downward spiral when Ronald Reagan (a former spokesperson for General Electric) was elected U.S. president and became a staunch ally of corporate America.

    By the late 1970s, oil companies had bought out many of the patents for photovoltaic cells, and corporate giants like Atlantic Richfield, Amoco, Exxon, and Mobil took control of solar power companies. This trend would lead Alfred Dougherty, former director of the Federal Trade Commission's bureau of competition to warn, "If the oil companies control substantial amounts of substitute fuels ... they may slow the pace of production of alternative fuels in order to protect the value of their oil and gas reserves."

    Source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_...
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  • CStanley
    Chris, as I said, the impressions that some have of community organizers isn't necessarily always fair- but same is true for the impressions that many liberals would have of people who work with church mission groups. In each case, a subset of the people involved in those activities have ulterior motives which would conflict with what some people would consider pure altruism.

    My impression of Obama's particular community organizing work isn't really negative (though I think I read that even he said he wasn't as effective as he would have liked to have been, but I'm certainly not impugning his motives.)

    Frankly it seems to me though that after he returned to Chicago he became involved with some of the more nefarious types that some of us have images of when we think of the negative side of community activism- so there's just a little bit of negativity wrapped up in the whole thing because of the inkling that his initial desire to help the communities ended up morphing into something else.
  • Frankly it seems to me though that after he returned to Chicago he became involved with some of the more nefarious types that some of us have images of when we think of the negative side of community activism

    Care to expound on that one?
  • It's a point worth mentioning again. Conservatives/Republicans can preach for hours about personal responsibility and how government isn't as effective as private actors when it comes to helping the needy. That's their message.

    But since Barack Obama did it, it's bad now.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    It's a point worth mentioning again. Conservatives/Republicans can preach for hours about personal responsibility and how government isn't as effective as private actors when it comes to helping the needy. That's their message.

    But since Barack Obama did it, it's bad now.


    Indeed, a point worth mentioning.
  • DLS
    "Community organizer" is too closely connected with a raised fist and violent criminals in the Sixties, and their followers-on, such as the PC brownshirts that are the scourge of college campuses and other locations on occasion.

    At least there have been very few bogus charges (I've only heard one so far today on lefty radio) that disparagement of "community organizers" is covert (in fact, bogus or simply imagined) racism. (And I heard this from one of the better-behaved lefty talk show hosts, of all people!) I suppose the bogus racism charges are reserved for any _sustained_ improvement in McCain-Palin at Obama-Biden's expense, no matter what the facts in favor of the former and disfavoring the latter happen to be.
  • DLS
    As to the title of this thread, talk about wishful thinking! Palin has been a unifier, while there has been dislike and distrust of McCain that has been fully revealed from the beginning (as well as related remarks such as that he's the next Bob Dole).
  • DLS,
    Why do you hate Jesus?
  • CStanley
    argh, don't know how many times I can make the point before you guys get it. Community organizing is NOT strictly a private activity (that's why I was trying to make the distinction between volunteerism and community organizing.) It's about activism to agitate community members to request certain services from the government.

    You can argue about whether that's a completely noble and good thing or not (it's a mixed bag as far as I'm concerned) but it has little to do with the conservative message of helping people via the private sector.
  • DLS
    "someone 'organizing' in a 'community'"

    Follow this idea to its end elsewhere in the world and consider what, ahem, groups provide help of all kinds in place of government (they govern, too, roughly, and in at least some cases are trying to become the official government, too) in the Middle East.
  • DLS
    I don't, Chris. Please try thinking clearly someday soon, for a Change [tm].

    This must not be your week, even if McCain doesn't also do well...
  • Follow this idea to its end elsewhere in the world and consider what, ahem, groups provide help of all kinds in place of government (they govern, too, roughly, and in at least some cases are trying to become the official government, too) in the Middle East.

    Or Jesus.
  • If Palin wanted to argue that Obama's community organizing wasn't worthwhile, that would be fine.

    But no, she had to take it a step further and impugn all community organization.

    Not only that, but she wasn't able to contrast that insulting image of a community organizer as a do-nothing with any of her own accomplishments.
  • kritt11
    Uh maybe the inner city residents need community activists because--- ----------

    well ----

    they can't afford to hire lobbyists? You know those folks who infest Washington, swarming Capitol Hill before key votes that benefit their wealthy constituents--- who want--- oh that's right------ services, favorable legislation or money from government.

    Now isn't that the American way??? LOL
  • CStanley
    Kim, exactly right, which is why I don't have an entirely negative view of community organizers. But then this activitiy is similarly rife with opportunists, just as the lobbying profession is. Money corrupts community organizers and the politicians who work with them, just as it does the lobbyists and politicians.

    We seem to be making progress though, in that people have stopped claiming or assuming that community organizer means volunteering at your local soup kitchen.
  • Nina2008
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    Independants, Republicans, I urge you, for our country. Vote Republican Ron Paul, check him out and get the word out to all Republicans who don't want the same Bush 4th term, who don't want McCain/Palin sarcasm, although funny, but not offering solutions.

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