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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22354/is-sarah-palin-going-going-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-132759</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, &quot;You make an excellent point. I made a similar comment yesterday.  The personal stuff about Palin is filling the vacuum left by the fact that she has virtually no national and international policy stances.  Maybe if the McCain camp weren&#039;t shielding her from interviews, we might get to know what she stands for.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks.  It&#039;s been one of my sticking points and it&#039;s causing me a lot of frustration that I can&#039;t look at her positions more closely.... So far I don&#039;t like what I see from Palin on the issues, or her judgement.  And I am distrustful of anyone who wants to hide things.  I&#039;ve had enough of our leaders hiding stuff from us and I see many of those same traits in McCain and Palin.  i believe that if a candidate can&#039;t be forthcoming on where they stand on issues, then that candidate feels that it would be detrimental to their chances of winning.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having said that I also can&#039;t help but wonder if what I&#039;m feeling towards Palin is what many people feel towards Obama.  But I keep coming back to the fact that Obama graduated with honors from law school, has worked with people who have lost their jobs, he has taught constitutional law, and has worked his way up in politics, debating national issues with friends, opponents, colleagues and crowds of all sizes over the years.  Whereas Palin may have 18 months of governor under her belt, but she doesn&#039;t have the substantial body of thought and years-long voting record that Obama has on issues that matter to most Americans.  No one knows Palin&#039;s positions, including herself because she&#039;s never thought about most of the issues substantively (at least that I can determine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, &#8220;You make an excellent point. I made a similar comment yesterday.  The personal stuff about Palin is filling the vacuum left by the fact that she has virtually no national and international policy stances.  Maybe if the McCain camp weren&#39;t shielding her from interviews, we might get to know what she stands for.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks.  It&#39;s been one of my sticking points and it&#39;s causing me a lot of frustration that I can&#39;t look at her positions more closely&#8230;. So far I don&#39;t like what I see from Palin on the issues, or her judgement.  And I am distrustful of anyone who wants to hide things.  I&#39;ve had enough of our leaders hiding stuff from us and I see many of those same traits in McCain and Palin.  i believe that if a candidate can&#39;t be forthcoming on where they stand on issues, then that candidate feels that it would be detrimental to their chances of winning.  </p>
<p>Having said that I also can&#39;t help but wonder if what I&#39;m feeling towards Palin is what many people feel towards Obama.  But I keep coming back to the fact that Obama graduated with honors from law school, has worked with people who have lost their jobs, he has taught constitutional law, and has worked his way up in politics, debating national issues with friends, opponents, colleagues and crowds of all sizes over the years.  Whereas Palin may have 18 months of governor under her belt, but she doesn&#39;t have the substantial body of thought and years-long voting record that Obama has on issues that matter to most Americans.  No one knows Palin&#39;s positions, including herself because she&#39;s never thought about most of the issues substantively (at least that I can determine).</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley:  &quot;I have no problem with people who are reserving judgment on Palin until they know more about her stance on issues.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with you... this is what I said, &lt;br&gt;&quot;Personally I&#039;d like to know anything about her position on the Iraq War (to begin with) and the other important issues that Americans believe are important.  How can you be &quot;for&quot; someone if they have no positions on the most important issues? You can certainly be against them (for lack of knowledge).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand how people can reserve judgement on someone they don&#039;t know, or how people might choose to be against someone (on the side of caution) they don&#039;t know.  But I don&#039;t know how so many people can so enthusiastically support someone whose positions they do not know.  That&#039;s my beef.  What are we getting with Palin?  We know a few of her positions but not nearly enough.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You also ask, &quot;Are they really issue focused objections that are being raised?&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would say, &quot;No&quot; because Palin has not bothered to tell us what her positions are on most of the important issues facing the country.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry if I wasn&#039;t clear in my first post.  Thanks for the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley:  &#8220;I have no problem with people who are reserving judgment on Palin until they know more about her stance on issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you&#8230; this is what I said, <br />&#8220;Personally I&#39;d like to know anything about her position on the Iraq War (to begin with) and the other important issues that Americans believe are important.  How can you be &#8220;for&#8221; someone if they have no positions on the most important issues? You can certainly be against them (for lack of knowledge).&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand how people can reserve judgement on someone they don&#39;t know, or how people might choose to be against someone (on the side of caution) they don&#39;t know.  But I don&#39;t know how so many people can so enthusiastically support someone whose positions they do not know.  That&#39;s my beef.  What are we getting with Palin?  We know a few of her positions but not nearly enough.</p>
<p>You also ask, &#8220;Are they really issue focused objections that are being raised?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I would say, &#8220;No&#8221; because Palin has not bothered to tell us what her positions are on most of the important issues facing the country.  </p>
<p>Sorry if I wasn&#39;t clear in my first post.  Thanks for the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned, Chris, I think there&#039;s nothing wrong with withholding judgment until you know more about her stance on issues of importance. Presumably the debate will clarify the finer points, but I would imagine that her acceptance of McCain&#039;s invitation to be his running mate means that she&#039;s comfortable with his platform, so I can&#039;t imagine that her own views are too far from his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned, Chris, I think there&#39;s nothing wrong with withholding judgment until you know more about her stance on issues of importance. Presumably the debate will clarify the finer points, but I would imagine that her acceptance of McCain&#39;s invitation to be his running mate means that she&#39;s comfortable with his platform, so I can&#39;t imagine that her own views are too far from his.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley,&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re trying to reframe the debate. I want to know Palin&#039;s &lt;i&gt;views&lt;/i&gt; on national and foreign policy, not her experience forming them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What does she think about Afghanistan? Pakistan? Universal health care?  Torture? Iran? The national debt? The collapse of the dollar? National infrastructure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley,<br />You&#39;re trying to reframe the debate. I want to know Palin&#39;s <i>views</i> on national and foreign policy, not her experience forming them.</p>
<p>What does she think about Afghanistan? Pakistan? Universal health care?  Torture? Iran? The national debt? The collapse of the dollar? National infrastructure?</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rico: OK, we&#039;re mostly in agreement then. The thing about the ideological part is that it&#039;s no different with any candidate selection- you make one group happy but anger another, and the winners are the ones who figure out the right balance. We&#039;ll see how it goes with Palin, but right now, everyone I know who&#039;s Republican is energized by the pick.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chriswww- I&#039;ll answer your question with another question. What was Bill Clinton&#039;s foreign policy experience in 1992? The absence of that is true for every governor, and some of them have gone on to become very successful presidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rico: OK, we&#39;re mostly in agreement then. The thing about the ideological part is that it&#39;s no different with any candidate selection- you make one group happy but anger another, and the winners are the ones who figure out the right balance. We&#39;ll see how it goes with Palin, but right now, everyone I know who&#39;s Republican is energized by the pick.</p>
<p>Chriswww- I&#39;ll answer your question with another question. What was Bill Clinton&#39;s foreign policy experience in 1992? The absence of that is true for every governor, and some of them have gone on to become very successful presidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley: &lt;i&gt;Ricorun, your assessment of why McCain won the nomination reflects the typical misunderstanding that liberals have of the average American voter.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, I got that impression from both my conservative friends and my time on right wing blogs over the past year or so. Quite a few people I know were disgusted when he won the primary, and vowed not to vote for him for that very reason -- he wasn&#039;t conservative enough. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At any rate, you initially asked what I thought the coherent argument being presented against Sarah Palin was. And I believe that going forward it will be what I said: she&#039;s too conservative and she&#039;s hasn&#039;t been very honest. But I agree that whether it works or not is by no means clear. Also, I do agree that getting too aggressive about her personal life is likely to backfire. And Dems should not be overconfident about anything. There is a long way to go between now and the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley: <i>Ricorun, your assessment of why McCain won the nomination reflects the typical misunderstanding that liberals have of the average American voter.</i></p>
<p>Actually, I got that impression from both my conservative friends and my time on right wing blogs over the past year or so. Quite a few people I know were disgusted when he won the primary, and vowed not to vote for him for that very reason &#8212; he wasn&#39;t conservative enough. </p>
<p>At any rate, you initially asked what I thought the coherent argument being presented against Sarah Palin was. And I believe that going forward it will be what I said: she&#39;s too conservative and she&#39;s hasn&#39;t been very honest. But I agree that whether it works or not is by no means clear. Also, I do agree that getting too aggressive about her personal life is likely to backfire. And Dems should not be overconfident about anything. There is a long way to go between now and the election.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link CS. I don&#039;t think Biden is likely to  make the mistake of being overconfident, since he already has the burden of having to pull his punches. If Palin&#039;s debate skills are halfway decent, then the debate might be more interesting than I would have suspected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link CS. I don&#39;t think Biden is likely to  make the mistake of being overconfident, since he already has the burden of having to pull his punches. If Palin&#39;s debate skills are halfway decent, then the debate might be more interesting than I would have suspected.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley,&lt;br&gt;I did some scans of the Palin related posts and I&#039;m not seeing much as far as national or foreign policy. Please help me out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley,<br />I did some scans of the Palin related posts and I&#39;m not seeing much as far as national or foreign policy. Please help me out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chriswww and company: if you are really that interested in her policy positions, there&#039;s a good bit of coverage of her at &lt;a href=&quot;http://beldar.org&quot;&gt;beldar.org&lt;/a&gt; (including some links to video of her debates in the Alaska governor&#039;s race, showing that Biden ought not to get too overconfident.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chriswww and company: if you are really that interested in her policy positions, there&#39;s a good bit of coverage of her at <a href="http://beldar.org">beldar.org</a> (including some links to video of her debates in the Alaska governor&#39;s race, showing that Biden ought not to get too overconfident.)</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricorun, your assessment of why McCain won the nomination reflects the typical misunderstanding that liberals have of the average American voter. US voters have drifted a bit to the left, but not nearly as much as you guys seem to think they have. And despite the attempts to fearmonger about the boogeyman of the religious right, most Americans aren&#039;t buying it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But you know, go ahead and run with your ticket, the most liberal that your party has ever put up, and we&#039;ll see how that works out for you. If Obama/Biden do win though, keep in mind that they started with a 15 poiht advantage due to the dissatisfaction with the current administration. If they win by a small margin, it certainly doesn&#039;t prove a mandate for a liberal agenda.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for the &#039;lies&#039; of Palin, I still see a list of he said/she said, until more information comes out one way or another. And I fail to see how most of those things would be any more egregious than any of the flip flops by the other candidates on both tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricorun, your assessment of why McCain won the nomination reflects the typical misunderstanding that liberals have of the average American voter. US voters have drifted a bit to the left, but not nearly as much as you guys seem to think they have. And despite the attempts to fearmonger about the boogeyman of the religious right, most Americans aren&#39;t buying it.</p>
<p>But you know, go ahead and run with your ticket, the most liberal that your party has ever put up, and we&#39;ll see how that works out for you. If Obama/Biden do win though, keep in mind that they started with a 15 poiht advantage due to the dissatisfaction with the current administration. If they win by a small margin, it certainly doesn&#39;t prove a mandate for a liberal agenda.</p>
<p>As for the &#39;lies&#39; of Palin, I still see a list of he said/she said, until more information comes out one way or another. And I fail to see how most of those things would be any more egregious than any of the flip flops by the other candidates on both tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StockBoySF,&lt;br&gt;You make an excellent point. I made a similar comment yesterday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The personal stuff about Palin is filling the vacuum left by the fact that she has virtually no national and international policy stances.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe if the McCain camp weren&#039;t shielding her from interviews, we might get to know what she stands for.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right now, we&#039;ve got:&lt;br&gt;1) More oil drilling&lt;br&gt;2) I hope the Iraqi occupation is following God&#039;s will and that we have an exit strategy&lt;br&gt;3) Give Alaska more Federal money&lt;br&gt;4) No abortions under any circumstances</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StockBoySF,<br />You make an excellent point. I made a similar comment yesterday.</p>
<p>The personal stuff about Palin is filling the vacuum left by the fact that she has virtually no national and international policy stances.</p>
<p>Maybe if the McCain camp weren&#39;t shielding her from interviews, we might get to know what she stands for.</p>
<p>Right now, we&#39;ve got:<br />1) More oil drilling<br />2) I hope the Iraqi occupation is following God&#39;s will and that we have an exit strategy<br />3) Give Alaska more Federal money<br />4) No abortions under any circumstances</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonidas: I&#039;m not sure I want to make bets because it seems possible that some &lt;ahem&gt; editorial meetings might take place among the TMV staff between now and tomorrow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For now, though, it&#039;s like watching a round of limbo: how low can they go? LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonidas: I&#39;m not sure I want to make bets because it seems possible that some &lt;ahem&gt; editorial meetings might take place among the TMV staff between now and tomorrow.</p>
<p>For now, though, it&#39;s like watching a round of limbo: how low can they go? LOL</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stockboy, I have no problem with people who are reserving judgment on Palin until they know more about her stance on issues. Take a gander at the headlines here and on many other blogs today though. Are they reserving judgment? Are they really issue focused objections that are being raised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stockboy, I have no problem with people who are reserving judgment on Palin until they know more about her stance on issues. Take a gander at the headlines here and on many other blogs today though. Are they reserving judgment? Are they really issue focused objections that are being raised?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley: what exactly is the coherent argument being presented against Sarah Palin?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I&#039;d like to know anything about her position on the Iraq War (to begin with) and the other important issues that Americans believe are important.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How can you be &quot;for&quot; someone if they have no positions on the most important issues?  You can certainly be against them (for lack of knowledge).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s like you or anyone of us standing up and saying, &quot;Vote for me&quot; though no one knows your positions.  Actually, come to think about it, many people on here probably know more about you (and other commentor&#039;s positions including my own) on the Iraq War, healthcare, education, etc. than they do about Palin&#039;s positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley: what exactly is the coherent argument being presented against Sarah Palin?</p>
<p>Personally I&#39;d like to know anything about her position on the Iraq War (to begin with) and the other important issues that Americans believe are important.  </p>
<p>How can you be &#8220;for&#8221; someone if they have no positions on the most important issues?  You can certainly be against them (for lack of knowledge).</p>
<p>It&#39;s like you or anyone of us standing up and saying, &#8220;Vote for me&#8221; though no one knows your positions.  Actually, come to think about it, many people on here probably know more about you (and other commentor&#39;s positions including my own) on the Iraq War, healthcare, education, etc. than they do about Palin&#39;s positions.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricorun, thanks for the link!  Though I didn&#039;t know, I wouldn&#039;t have expected McCain to be able to replace Palin unilaterally.  I would have not have guessed that 168 members of the national committee would need to approve it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I still think it&#039;s unlikely McCain will replace her.  If 168 members of the national committee need to approve it, then the chances are almost zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricorun, thanks for the link!  Though I didn&#39;t know, I wouldn&#39;t have expected McCain to be able to replace Palin unilaterally.  I would have not have guessed that 168 members of the national committee would need to approve it.  </p>
<p>But I still think it&#39;s unlikely McCain will replace her.  If 168 members of the national committee need to approve it, then the chances are almost zero.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, I think there are more than enough serious concerns about Palin&#039;s character and contradictions with her positions without creating distracting arguments around her family, either pro OR con. That said, when she herself makes family values an issue then she has opened the door to whether or not she walks the walk or only talks the talk. Should that be a primary focus? I don&#039;t think so. My own concerns with Palin have to do with her 1.) extreme ideology &amp;  2.) her extremely limited experience. When the 2 are combined, there is more than enough reason to want a proper vetting. As we&#039;ve seen though, her fans in ideology are willing to give her a pass - regardless of  the vetting results, and before her character has been thoroughly explored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, I think there are more than enough serious concerns about Palin&#39;s character and contradictions with her positions without creating distracting arguments around her family, either pro OR con. That said, when she herself makes family values an issue then she has opened the door to whether or not she walks the walk or only talks the talk. Should that be a primary focus? I don&#39;t think so. My own concerns with Palin have to do with her 1.) extreme ideology &#038;  2.) her extremely limited experience. When the 2 are combined, there is more than enough reason to want a proper vetting. As we&#39;ve seen though, her fans in ideology are willing to give her a pass &#8211; regardless of  the vetting results, and before her character has been thoroughly explored.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley, the &quot;problem&quot; with Palin being conservative is that a lot of people aren&#039;t. McCain won the nomination because he wasn&#039;t &quot;too conservative&quot;. In terms of being dishonest...&lt;br&gt;1. She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. Her claim that she told congress to stuff it is blatantly false.&lt;br&gt;2. She was for earmarks before she was against them. She even hired a member of Abramoff&#039;s team to lobby for earmarks for Wasilla.&lt;br&gt;3. She wasn&#039;t exactly the breath of fresh air to Wasilla politics that she claims, and she left the town in a financial mess&lt;br&gt;4. She was a close associate of Ted Stevens, arguably the &quot;big Cahuna&quot; of Alaska&#039;s corrupt politicians before she was against him. She served on his PAC. And without his support it&#039;s unlikely she would have been elected governor.&lt;br&gt;5. She&#039;s not really a tax cutter -- she raised taxes at least as much as she cut them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone thought Huckabee was a breath of fresh air, too. But then some of his more extreme views started coming out and the more moderate voters left him. That, as I see it, is the danger with Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley, the &#8220;problem&#8221; with Palin being conservative is that a lot of people aren&#39;t. McCain won the nomination because he wasn&#39;t &#8220;too conservative&#8221;. In terms of being dishonest&#8230;<br />1. She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. Her claim that she told congress to stuff it is blatantly false.<br />2. She was for earmarks before she was against them. She even hired a member of Abramoff&#39;s team to lobby for earmarks for Wasilla.<br />3. She wasn&#39;t exactly the breath of fresh air to Wasilla politics that she claims, and she left the town in a financial mess<br />4. She was a close associate of Ted Stevens, arguably the &#8220;big Cahuna&#8221; of Alaska&#39;s corrupt politicians before she was against him. She served on his PAC. And without his support it&#39;s unlikely she would have been elected governor.<br />5. She&#39;s not really a tax cutter &#8212; she raised taxes at least as much as she cut them.</p>
<p>Everyone thought Huckabee was a breath of fresh air, too. But then some of his more extreme views started coming out and the more moderate voters left him. That, as I see it, is the danger with Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone want to make a betting pool on how many hit pieces Shaun will post tommorrow?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll take 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone want to make a betting pool on how many hit pieces Shaun will post tommorrow?</p>
<p>I&#39;ll take 3.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwest: &lt;i&gt;Have any of you on the “center-left” wondered where the 527 ads are that highlight Obama and Rev. Wright? Maybe the folks on the right have forgotten about him. Or maybe, the right wingers know that Obama’s 20 year relationship with Wright would be easily explained and that Wright’s views on America aren’t so far out of the mainstream that it would matter.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a good point, and everyone has to know it&#039;s coming. But even there the Palin pick complicates the picture, though it&#039;s unclear to what extent at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwest: <i>Have any of you on the “center-left” wondered where the 527 ads are that highlight Obama and Rev. Wright? Maybe the folks on the right have forgotten about him. Or maybe, the right wingers know that Obama’s 20 year relationship with Wright would be easily explained and that Wright’s views on America aren’t so far out of the mainstream that it would matter.</i></p>
<p>That&#39;s a good point, and everyone has to know it&#39;s coming. But even there the Palin pick complicates the picture, though it&#39;s unclear to what extent at this point.</p>
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